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Now $170 after rebate.

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Looks like the price jumped up shortly after it was posted

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Price is 149$ without rebate for me. 119$ with rebate. Thanks OP

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Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.

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Necromancer said:   Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
  
I totally disagree in this case. Card in this thread (although I wouldn't recommend THIS card because reviews all cite noisy fan) has two GB GDDR5 and the specs are light years better than HD4600 integrated graphics (current Haswell gen, HD4000 is now one gen old). Games that are totally unplayable on integrated Intel graphics would run at high or ultra settings smoothly with this card.

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KidCharliemain said:   
Necromancer said:   Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
  
I totally disagree in this case. Card in this thread (although I wouldn't recommend THIS card because reviews all cite noisy fan) has two GB GDDR5 and the specs are light years better than HD4600 integrated graphics (current Haswell gen, HD4000 is now one gen old). Games that are totally unplayable on integrated Intel graphics would run at high or ultra settings smoothly with this card.

  Well I'm considering what the typical user is doing when they want to upgrade a card.  If you are going to plan to spend money on upgrading a card, you are usually doing it for either high intense graphic programs or gaming.  Why save $100 on a graphics card when it will not be that much superior to HD 4000 graphics?  Spend the $200+ needed to get something that will be a clear level up for gaming.  HD 4000 can already play many current games at 30-40 fps on medium settings.  On top of that this card has an issue with the fan slicing up other cards on the M/B.  Is that worth it?  There is some article on Google about how HD 4000+ has ruined the graphics card market for low-mid tier products.  It only makes sense to get something in the high-end range if you are going to spend anything at all.

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Necromancer said:   
KidCharliemain said:   
Necromancer said:   Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
  
I totally disagree in this case. Card in this thread (although I wouldn't recommend THIS card because reviews all cite noisy fan) has two GB GDDR5 and the specs are light years better than HD4600 integrated graphics (current Haswell gen, HD4000 is now one gen old). Games that are totally unplayable on integrated Intel graphics would run at high or ultra settings smoothly with this card.

  Well I'm considering what the typical user is doing when they want to upgrade a card.  If you are going to plan to spend money on upgrading a card, you are usually doing it for either high intense graphic programs or gaming.  Why save $100 on a graphics card when it will not be that much superior to HD 4000 graphics?  Spend the $200+ needed to get something that will be a clear level up for gaming.  HD 4000 can already play many current games at 30-40 fps on medium settings.  On top of that this card has an issue with the fan slicing up other cards on the M/B.  Is that worth it?  There is some article on Google about how HD 4000+ has ruined the graphics card market for low-mid tier products.  It only makes sense to get something in the high-end range if you are going to spend anything at all.

  Sadly you are grossly misinformed if you think that the HD4000 or HD 4600 integrated graphics from Intel can even come close to this card.  Passmark's G3D score for this card is 3706, vs a 625 for the HD4600.  This card is more than sufficient to play most games at 1080p with the eyecandy turned on, whilest the HD4600 is doing well to keep above 20fps with nothing enabled.  

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Jahx said:   
Necromancer said:   
KidCharliemain said:   
Necromancer said:   Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
  
I totally disagree in this case. Card in this thread (although I wouldn't recommend THIS card because reviews all cite noisy fan) has two GB GDDR5 and the specs are light years better than HD4600 integrated graphics (current Haswell gen, HD4000 is now one gen old). Games that are totally unplayable on integrated Intel graphics would run at high or ultra settings smoothly with this card.

  Well I'm considering what the typical user is doing when they want to upgrade a card.  If you are going to plan to spend money on upgrading a card, you are usually doing it for either high intense graphic programs or gaming.  Why save $100 on a graphics card when it will not be that much superior to HD 4000 graphics?  Spend the $200+ needed to get something that will be a clear level up for gaming.  HD 4000 can already play many current games at 30-40 fps on medium settings.  On top of that this card has an issue with the fan slicing up other cards on the M/B.  Is that worth it?  There is some article on Google about how HD 4000+ has ruined the graphics card market for low-mid tier products.  It only makes sense to get something in the high-end range if you are going to spend anything at all.

  Sadly you are grossly misinformed if you think that the HD4000 or HD 4600 integrated graphics from Intel can even come close to this card.  Passmark's G3D score for this card is 3706, vs a 625 for the HD4600.  This card is more than sufficient to play most games at 1080p with the eyecandy turned on, whilest the HD4600 is doing well to keep above 20fps with nothing enabled.  

  Well we will see.  I'm just going by the recent news of the tests done with the HD 4000 vs. a lower tier/entry level graphics card.  I'm building a new computer right now and didn't get a separate graphics card.  I believe the HD 4000 will play any game out there considering the specs of the rest of my build. 

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I look forward to your feedback on BF4 and Skyrim on HD4000 video.

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Necromancer said:   Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
  sure you can play most games with integrated graphics if you drop to low res (480x640??) and effects... and will still have to deal with low frame rates, but why would you want to?  While I don't believe in paying $200+ for the latest cards, a moderately priced gaming card like this ~$120 will provide a much better gaming experience with mid and even high end games.  You still night have to ratchet down the settings to moderate levels if you want to play the latest games at 1920x1080 or higher, but they'll at least be playable... unlike with HD 4000 frame rates.

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Necromancer said:   However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
  Uh, no.  Not at all.

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Danzilla said:   
Necromancer said:   Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
  sure you can play most games with integrated graphics if you drop to low res (480x640??) and effects... and will still have to deal with low frame rates, but why would you want to?  While I don't believe in paying $200+ for the latest cards, a moderately priced gaming card like this ~$120 will provide a much better gaming experience with mid and even high end games.  You still night have to ratchet down the settings to moderate levels if you want to play the latest games at 1920x1080 or higher, but they'll at least be playable... unlike with HD 4000 frame rates.

  Well I'm also going by my previous build that is no longer with us almost 10 years ago (3 ghz+ single core intel running a 128 mb graphics card (yes 128 mb)) and I was able to play all the games I wanted at mid-medium_high quality - Unreal 2004, CS, Doom 3, etc.  But the test I read on the HD 4000 was running games at medium setting.  I know they weren't testing them at 480x640.

EDIT: Just read article again and they ran the test at 1080p.  Batman Arkham City was shown to run at ~20 fps.

Conclusion from article: "With the Intel HD 4000, Intel has shipped a respectable entry-level GPU that’s fully DirectX 11 compliant--and happens to come built inside an excellent CPU."

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Necromancer said:   
Jahx said:   
Necromancer said:   
KidCharliemain said:   
Necromancer said:   Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
  
I totally disagree in this case. Card in this thread (although I wouldn't recommend THIS card because reviews all cite noisy fan) has two GB GDDR5 and the specs are light years better than HD4600 integrated graphics (current Haswell gen, HD4000 is now one gen old). Games that are totally unplayable on integrated Intel graphics would run at high or ultra settings smoothly with this card.

  Well I'm considering what the typical user is doing when they want to upgrade a card.  If you are going to plan to spend money on upgrading a card, you are usually doing it for either high intense graphic programs or gaming.  Why save $100 on a graphics card when it will not be that much superior to HD 4000 graphics?  Spend the $200+ needed to get something that will be a clear level up for gaming.  HD 4000 can already play many current games at 30-40 fps on medium settings.  On top of that this card has an issue with the fan slicing up other cards on the M/B.  Is that worth it?  There is some article on Google about how HD 4000+ has ruined the graphics card market for low-mid tier products.  It only makes sense to get something in the high-end range if you are going to spend anything at all.

  Sadly you are grossly misinformed if you think that the HD4000 or HD 4600 integrated graphics from Intel can even come close to this card.  Passmark's G3D score for this card is 3706, vs a 625 for the HD4600.  This card is more than sufficient to play most games at 1080p with the eyecandy turned on, whilest the HD4600 is doing well to keep above 20fps with nothing enabled.  

  Well we will see.  I'm just going by the recent news of the tests done with the HD 4000 vs. a lower tier/entry level graphics card.  I'm building a new computer right now and didn't get a separate graphics card.  I believe the HD 4000 will play any game out there considering the specs of the rest of my build. 

  
Your thinking is correct, but this is more of a mid range card in that instance, not a low end card. Your advice would be good when considering the purchase of a $40 video card or something of the like.

This card is LIGHT Years Ahead of the integrated HD4000

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ensignlee said:   
Necromancer said:   
Jahx said:   
Necromancer said:   
KidCharliemain said:   
Necromancer said:   Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
  
I totally disagree in this case. Card in this thread (although I wouldn't recommend THIS card because reviews all cite noisy fan) has two GB GDDR5 and the specs are light years better than HD4600 integrated graphics (current Haswell gen, HD4000 is now one gen old). Games that are totally unplayable on integrated Intel graphics would run at high or ultra settings smoothly with this card.

  Well I'm considering what the typical user is doing when they want to upgrade a card.  If you are going to plan to spend money on upgrading a card, you are usually doing it for either high intense graphic programs or gaming.  Why save $100 on a graphics card when it will not be that much superior to HD 4000 graphics?  Spend the $200+ needed to get something that will be a clear level up for gaming.  HD 4000 can already play many current games at 30-40 fps on medium settings.  On top of that this card has an issue with the fan slicing up other cards on the M/B.  Is that worth it?  There is some article on Google about how HD 4000+ has ruined the graphics card market for low-mid tier products.  It only makes sense to get something in the high-end range if you are going to spend anything at all.

  Sadly you are grossly misinformed if you think that the HD4000 or HD 4600 integrated graphics from Intel can even come close to this card.  Passmark's G3D score for this card is 3706, vs a 625 for the HD4600.  This card is more than sufficient to play most games at 1080p with the eyecandy turned on, whilest the HD4600 is doing well to keep above 20fps with nothing enabled.  

  Well we will see.  I'm just going by the recent news of the tests done with the HD 4000 vs. a lower tier/entry level graphics card.  I'm building a new computer right now and didn't get a separate graphics card.  I believe the HD 4000 will play any game out there considering the specs of the rest of my build. 

  
Your thinking is correct, but this is more of a mid range card in that instance, not a low end card. Your advice would be good when considering the purchase of a $40 video card or something of the like.

This card is LIGHT Years Ahead of the integrated HD4000

  LOL.  I thought "Years Ahead" was a link to a report about the HD4000.  It was something about old people instead.

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Necromancer said:   Price is $119.99 after rebate for me. However, I should also say that if you have a new Intel processor with HD 4000, low-mid level graphics cards are unnecessary. You will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement.
Uh, HD4600 (latest built in) is ranked 290th at passmark score of 626.

I agree that it would be unnecessary if you are going to replace it with something that is ranked 200th and below graphics card.
Radeon HD 7850 is ranked 33rd with passmark score of 3707.  As you have just said, one will have to go for high-end/gaming graphics cards to see performance improvement and this would be one of the best valued vid card among high-end/gaming graphics card.

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@Necromancer: Nope, fatwallet put that link there. Not me. haha

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ensignlee said:   @Necromancer: Nope, fatwallet put that link there. Not me. haha
  Got all my components in and hopefully can finish the build this weekend and at least install an OS.  Updates will continue as I prove doubters wrong of the worthiness of the HD 4000 graphics chip!

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depressing... oos

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Price now $169 AR. ;(

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