ccubedzx3 said: Well, even though I didn't get my question answered whether or not this is good for video editing, I pulled the trigger regardless. I would hope that this system is sufficient for video editing (at least basic editing). Searching google for "pc hardware requirements for video editing", I found this link: http://www.videoguys.com/Guide/E/Videoguys+System+recommendation...
About 1/3 way down at the link above is a table listing various suggested hardware configs. The first row in that table (minimum config) is for a system configured as follows:
Dedicated Video Storage
Intel Core i5 Quad Core
8GB (4 x 2GB)
nVidia w 1GB RAM
500GB 7200 RPM
1TB SATA 7200 RPM
This Woot deal appears to meet or exceed all of those specs, other than system RAM. See my reply above listing an 8GB (2x4GB) kit for $54 (which will hopefully boost this Woot system to 12GB).
MS won't be releasing any new updates/security patches for XP after April 2014, so that is what really convinced me to upgrade.
Question for the computer savvy: Will I be able to put the HD from my current Dell into this new computer and dual boot the XP OS for when I need to run some program that I don't have a Win8 version of?
IamN41 said: Question for the computer savvy: Will I be able to put the HD from my current Dell into this new computer and dual boot the XP OS for when I need to run some program that I don't have a Win8 version of? If your Dell's HD is a SATA drive, the physical drive itself should fit in this HP system (as it has a spare 3.5" HD bay). Whether or not you'll be able to (successfully) boot from that spare HD is another matter. Assuming the HP's system bios enables you to select your boot device at system power-up (typically via a function key such as F12), in theory you could choose to boot from the 2nd HD (the one from the Dell); however, whether or not XP will work correctly is another story. During boot-up, XP should detect that it's booting up from completely different hardware, causing it to re-build the OS's entire hardware profile. It's doubtful that XP will have built-in drivers for all of the different hardware components, so until/unless you locate XP compatible drivers for things like the video card, network card(s), sound, etc., you may end up w/ a rather limited XP system (running in 640x480 or 800x600 screen resolution, no sound, no network access, etc.)
A better option, IMO, would be to convert your existing XP system to a Virtual Machine, then use Virtual Machine software to run the XP machine inside of Windows 8. I believe both of the following products are still free:
VMware vCenter Converter Install this on your WinXP machine, let it convert the OS into a virtual machine (VM). Suggest you save the VM image to an external USB HD
VMware Player Install this on your Win8 machine to "play" the WinXP VM created by vCenter Converter. Suggest you copy the VM image over to the Win8 machine from the external USB HD
Search Google and/or VMware's web-site for help on using both products above.
*EDIT* If the vCenter Converter gives you an option to install "VMware Tools" during the conversion, select that option! "VMware Tools" installs virtual hardware device drivers into the virtual machine (VM), enabling the VM to have proper video, sound, network, etc. support.
cubexco said: Thanks OP! If this indeed is the ENVY H8-1500z, the mobo per specs is M3970AM-HP. Any way to flash it to the mobo maker's BIOS? I would suspect you could. I've done it with a couple other HP "refurbished" desktops I've purchased (mostly from former geeks.com site). Hopefully they will ship quicker than my recent purchase from 1SaleADay (now 1Sale.com ) and it actually arrives before I need to upgrade again.
The Radeon HD 7570 GPU is fairly disappointing if you plan on doing any gaming with stringent graphic requirements - average G3D Mark of 981 - which scores near the bottom of the High End Video Card Chart on videocardbenchmark.net.
Anyone wanting to replace this GPU with an Nvidia card (or maybe even a different Radeon card?) needs to keep in mind that this PC comes with a 460w PSU which should allow you to upgrade to a fairly decent card.
More importantly, HP BIOS on this PC will most likely require you to go into the BIOS' Secure Boot Configuration and change it from from UEFI mode to Legacy mode or else you will hear 6 beeps and a non-boot after installing your new card. The UEFI mode is on by default due to all current bios implementations being based on the EFI standard to be able to comply with Windows 8 security requirements.
Google "HP Legacy mode" and go to the 2nd result - it should be a HP.com link. Proper settings = Legacy Support = Enable; Secure Boot = Disable. This link will show you how to go into the BIOS and make your changes.
This may apply to not only GPU changes but also to hardware changes other than a simple RAM upgrade or addition.
neochaos said: For ~$350 without monitor and K&M, it's a maybe.
The Mobo and CPU are pretty cheap to get. The GPU is kinda weak even with the 3gb. The real cost is the OS, which make it a fair deal.
The problem that I don't like about it is the AMD. It's overheat too easily. Even worst when you add a powerful GPU in there. The two light up like a lightbulb. If you are going with an AMD, you really need a great cooling system. No just good, but great. When the heat began to rise, your gaming begin to slow down. Maybe for a regular gamer that isn't a problem, but for a serious gamer, it's a big problem.
I tried different ways to build a better cooling system such as 5 powerful 120mm fans, liquid cooling, and even cast the CPU cooler directly into case metal frame. The next one that I want to try is take a small fridge and convert into a "case" for the computer. Moisture and water may be a problem, unless I turn it down to a low level.
Basically, Intel is the better way to go even if it costs double as much. I believe Intel is coming out with new CPU that produce less heat, especially handy for tablets and smartphones.
This one has decent-looking tower with heatpipe cooler. HP and Dell usually don't let user overclock the CPU, so cooling not much of a problem here.
I have an overclocked Phenom 2 X6, 125W stock (135W according to cpuid) and it worked ok with the standard AMD heatsink. Very loud under load but still under 60C. I got Zalman 9550 from a deal couple weeks ago and now it's nearly silent and under 50C. I really see little need for liquid/peltier/other exotic cooling unless you're going for extreme overclocking. I have a 200mm fan installed in the side panel though and 2 silent 80mm on the front. (oh and I used to have AMD 4850 videocard in this rig. That was a real room heater! I got Nvidia 650Ti now)
ccubedzx3 said: I need to convert Hi8 video from my old tapes to DVD, or at least make digital back-ups. I also want to convert AVCHD files to something more useful. Would this computer be able to do the trick? Right now my AVCHD files playback at about 4 fps, but that is with an archaic Dell. I am no expert but if converting video files is a major factor I'd go with intel. I was converting some bluray files the other day and on my 2nd gen i5 without quick sync I was getting 20 fps. Got tired of waiting so I loaded the nightly build of handbrake on a 3rd gen i5 laptop and with quick sync enabled I got 160 fps. Just for reference.
billtmore said: Robstahl21 said...."it comes with 3 ram sticks... which disables dual channel, which is totally stupid. so you'd definitely want to get another 2gb stick to make 4x2gb and back into dual channel"
Rob or anyone else could explain this further or provide a link?? It's likely a non-issue, as cnIsfg stated in this post (and in at least one other post) that the system comes w/ 2x2GB + 2x1GB, for a total of 4 sticks of ram; however, feel free to read a simple description of dual channel ram here.
pprogram said: has anyone's shipped yet with a tracking number? mine still says shipping now but with no tracking number what's the usual Woot shipping time? Same here - shipping now. I hoping it ships from the Dallas area.
hippielady said: Looks like a great deal for the Crucial memory, but the Crucial site says it isn't compatible with the h8-1534, although the specs seem the same. (?!) I'm confused...here's the Crucial site link:
Generally, if Crucial doesn't "recommend" compatible RAM, it's because they determine that it will run hot.
Be aware though, that for chip manufacturers, creating RAM is still a crap shoot. They cut up a wafer, then test it all and rate it. Out of each batch of chips, they will get some 8s, some 9s, some 10s, some 11s, etc. So they have a vested interest in making sure that they recommend some of each class to different computer models. You would most likely not run into a heat problem with this RAM, unless you are doing crazy stuff, and especially if you do upgrade the fans.
thirddowndraw said: So what do you do with that - pull one and add a pair of higher? I took one out and added 2 2gb sticks of ddr 3 1333, Radeon 7670 and a sandisk 32gb cache dr. The system is quiet but I do hear a high pitch sound.
NICE BONUS on the ram! Now i dont have to buy any more. It had 10gb in it. I am going to pull the one 2gb chip so that it runs on dual channel mode. Budman Tom, honestly I have never needed more than 2gb... maybe I am a light weight but even going nuts with video editing the highest utilization i have ever seen was aroung 1.6gb on the ram with limited page file use. If it was me I would stick with the 8gb at 1600.
and btw, holy smokes is this thing fast! I was going to install an SSD but dang... might not have too!! Or is that windows 8 talking? I am used to 7. Also if you carfully peel the sticker off it says HP underneath. Cool!
I was hoping it was going to be 10 gb per the specs on the HP site...thanks for the good news! Mine is scheduled to arrive tomorrow...really looking forward to receiving it! I've read the murmurings about Win 8, but I did some work on one of my client's pcs a few weeks ago; once I found my way around I thought it was fine. It's going to be nice to run it for awhile and decide whether I want to upgrade my other pcs or leave them on Win7 Pro.
To all of those who pulled the trigger... Looks like you hit the jackpot! Mine also came with the 10 Gb of CAS 11 RAM!
It also came with a LiteOn.HP keyboard and mouse, power cable, and VGA to DVI adapter, but no video cable (??)
Mine shipped from Yuma, AZ, the refurb packaging had checklists in Spanish, and the black stickers to cover up the HP logos on the sides were nowhere close to where they were supposed to be. So I would imagine these were not the most qualified rebranding team out there. So you may want to stress test the machine once you get them.
TheDiggler said: cnIsfg said: Also if you prefer the original HP windows 8 64-bit preload with all the HP extras the original HP OEM Windows 8 product key should still be in the UEFI. All you need to do is order the HP 64-bit recovery media. You can use any H*-15xx model and the serial of the machine shown in the UEFI and order the recovery media on the HP product webstie. The cost is usually $10 + ~%6 for S&H. Most debranders don't bother removing the original OEM info from the UEFI since Microsoft has not yet made that a requiremet for refurbishment of machines that use the UEFI for activation.. Excellent info, thanks!
Just checked this. The UEFI option is not present in the advanced reboot options. And looking at the "chassis serial number" in the BIOS shows a blank field. So it looks like they did scrub it.
pprogram said: has anyone's shipped yet with a tracking number? mine still says shipping now but with no tracking number what's the usual Woot shipping time? Yours ship yet? Mine has been "shipping now" for 3 days. That thing better be well packed.
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