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SeriusBlack
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posted: Sep. 26, 2004 @ 7:39a
*bump* Great thread, pro consumer, avoid ripoffs, protection against crooks, the BBB is awesome! btw, cynicalmember, if you PM me I can give you the name/address of someone who works for Visa International ('THE' Visa credit card company) who may be able to help you file an administrative complaint against your credit card company. The statue of limitations, atleast for my state, is twelve months from the date you filed a complaint against the business. It *IS* very likely that your credit card company would be contacted by Visa and decide to refund your money back. No kidding...now don't be cynical, OK?!
 ps-I have a MasterCard internal contact & Discover as well. It pays to know who to write about problems. |
Message edited by: SeriusBlack on 2004-09-26 07:48:10
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bamx2
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posted: Sep. 27, 2004 @ 5:24a
I haven't seen much in the way of results with the BBB . My best results have been with my state's Dept of Consumer Affairs ( Div of AG office ) and a call in to Clark Howard radio show ( www.clarkhoward.com ) that they decided to help me with . However I agree it is import to file complaints wherever possible to warn others . Thanks for the list .
BTW - I agree abouts Fry's - Beware !!! |
Message edited by: bamx2 on 2004-09-27 05:27:35
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BobDad333
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posted: Oct. 2, 2004 @ 4:20p
Used the info to filed two complains against Zonet on a couple of different products.
Filed with BBB, California AG, Planet Feedback, etc., and . . .
. . . bump for some good info . . . |
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agentjfong
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posted: Oct. 2, 2004 @ 6:57p
Cool! Thanks TheDealMaker!
Down with Tiger Direct for messing up my order last month! |
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TaffyLaw
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posted: Oct. 2, 2004 @ 9:34p
Add my thanks to the others. Excellent post. |
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SeriusBlack
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posted: Nov. 27, 2004 @ 6:45p
If you are intending to chargeback a purchase on a merchant who won't listen to you, I recommend you visit this webpage as well as this other webpage and one other webpage. My God...making it more difficult for the little guy to win against a big company that doesn't back up its products!! Shame on you V*sa!! They are calling it 'Re-Engineering Disputes' or RED for short.
Well, our friends over at V*sa or W*lls Fargo may pull the links, so I'm including a full text of both webpages on my next post.
Please post this at the other FW links, as well as other websites of relevance. |
Message edited by: SeriusBlack on 2004-11-27 18:50:14
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SeriusBlack
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posted: Nov. 27, 2004 @ 6:54p
What is RED? The Visa U.S.A. Re-Engineering Disputes (RED) project is an evolving, forward-thinking plan for building a more effective way to resolve Visa transaction disputes. Over the last few years, RED has made great strides in helping card issuers, merchant banks, and merchants achieve simpler, faster, and more cost-efficient resolution actions. Since April 2002, a large number of RED changes have been implemented. Now all parties are gearing up for additional modifications scheduled for October 2004.
On this page RED changes and merchant requirements October 2004 RED changes RED changes in brief RED changes and merchant requirements As RED moves forward, it is important for all merchants to clearly understand all operational changes and requirements, particularly in these areas:
Streamlined chargeback cycle—Under the new reduced chargeback cycle, merchants: have only one opportunity to address disputed items prior to Arbitration. must make every effort to answer all of the cardholder pertinent claims when responding to an initial chargeback request and supply all information the first time to protect your re-presentation rights. must supply “compelling” information to prove the true cardholder participated in the transaction, received the goods or services, and benefited from the transaction. Reduced documentation—With redesigned forms that supply all the information needed to adequately address disputes, merchants can now see more relevant dispute details captured during a card issuer’s first contact with a cardholder. In some situations (e.g., fraud), however, existing documentation requirements still apply. In addition, the information received in the initial chargeback request offers a more accurate and clearer picture of the customer’s concern(s). This means fewer circumstances under which paper documentation is required. Reduced copy request requirements—The new process permits the use of substitute sales drafts in some circumstances and reduces the number of copy requests required. Merchants should fulfill copy requests at all times for any type of reason code, and be aware that they hold financial liability for the non-fulfillment or invalid fulfillment of transaction receipt copies related to Retrieval Request Code 33 - Request for Legal or Fraud Analysis. Consolidated chargeback reason codes—In October of this year, a reduction in the number of chargeback reason codes (from 44 to 24) will be implemented. This should help eliminate the confusion that can arise when back-office staff are faced with an ambiguous dispute situation. Merchants who use Visa’s reason codes in their proprietary systems must adjust their processes and/or systems accordingly in advance of the consolidation. They should also revisit their own back-office training efforts so they are aligned with all RED changes and impending reason code consolidation.
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October 2004 RED changes All Members must use Visa Resolve Online or a Visa-approved automated system to process dispute information/documentation. All Members must use Visa Resolve Online to process their case filings, including Pre-Arbitration and Pre-Compliance attempts. Chargeback reasons will be consolidated to 24 codes. RED changes in brief
Was this: 44 Reason Codes (59 included sub-codes) Changed to: 24 Reason Codes Was this: 2-3 chargeback cycles Changed to: 1 chargeback cycle Was this: 315 days to resolution (maximum) Changed to: 137 days to resolution (maximum) Was this: Mail dependent Changed to: Electronic transmission Was this: Limited communication options Changed to: Variety of communication options Was this: Manual Pre-Arbitration/Pre-Compliance processing Changed to: Electronic Pre-Arbitration/Pre-Compliance processing Was this: Acquirer files Arbitration manually Changed to: Issuer files Arbitration electronically |
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SeriusBlack
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posted: Nov. 27, 2004 @ 7:02p
What is Visa RED? (W*lls F*rgo page, _NOT_ a repeat of previous post)
Visa created the Visa Re-Engineering Disputes (RED) project to speed up and simplify the dispute process. Visa’s goals are faster resolution of disputes, decreased complexity of the dispute process, and deterrence of invalid chargebacks and re-presentments.
October 2004 Changes
International Second Chargeback Cycle elimination Effective October 4, 2004, Visa International has eliminated the second chargeback cycle. This change will impact all transactions initiated on Visa cards issued by banks outside the US. This change was implemented for Visa domestic chargebacks in April 2004.
Previously, the Visa chargeback process had two cycles. That meant an Issuer had two opportunities to dispute a transaction and a merchant had two opportunities to represent the chargeback. As of October 4, 2004, Visa will no longer accept second chargebacks from Issuers. Visa will implement edits to ensure that regardless of when the chargeback was represented by the Acquirer, a second chargeback will not be initiated by the Issuer on or after October 4, 2004.
Merchants will now only have one opportunity to provide information/documentation to resolve the dispute. Therefore, all relevant information must be provided with the chargeback representment. The basis for defending a chargeback has not changed; what currently remedies a chargeback will continue to remedy a chargeback.
To determine what information is required to successfully represent a chargeback, please see the Resolve Chargeback Tool.
Chargeback Reason Code Consolidation
Effective October 4, 2004, Visa has moved to a single set of chargeback reason codes for both domestic and international chargebacks and reduced the total number of chargeback reason codes by consolidating codes that were similar. The rules around representing a chargeback have not been impacted by this reason code consolidation.
April 2004 Changes
US Domestic Second Chargeback Cycle elimination
The elimination of the second chargeback cycle as detailed above occurred as of April 3, 2004, for Visa domestic chargebacks.
October 2003 Changes
Effective October 2003, Visa US Issuers are required to close their cardholders’ accounts if a fraud chargeback is initiated. This should help deter cardholders from initiating a fraud chargeback, when in fact they simply don’t recognize the transaction. Both Visa and MasterCard have introduced new chargeback reason codes for “Cardholder Does Not Recognize Transaction” to accommodate situations where the cardholder doesn’t recognize the transaction and/or merchant. These chargebacks can be easily remedied by supplying additional transaction information. See the Resolve Chargeback Tool for more information on resolving a Reason Code 75 chargeback.
Pre-Arbitration and Arbitration
In the previous chargeback process, the decision to further pursue a chargeback through pre-arbitration or arbitration was at the discretion of the Acquirer. With the new changes implemented on April 4, 2004, pre-arbitration and arbitration will now be initiated by the Issuer. This means that as a merchant, you may now receive new communications regarding these cases.
For a pre-arbitration case, you will be sent notification and given the opportunity to respond with additional information by the response date on the communication. There is no financial impact of a pre-arbitration unless you fail to respond. If you fail to respond, you will be debited for the disputed amount. The communication will give advice on what information to provide in order to remedy the dispute. The Issuing bank will review your information with the cardholder and will determine at that point if the dispute is resolved. If the cardholder and/or the Issuer feel that the dispute has not been resolved, they can pursue an arbitration case.
For an arbitration case, you will not be given the opportunity to respond as this case has already been sent to Visa for a ruling and no additional information is allowed from the merchant or the cardholder. This does have financial impact to you for the amount of the dispute and there is no reversal opportunity. If you still feel that the charge is valid, you will need to pursue the cardholder by other means. |
Message edited by: SeriusBlack on 2004-11-27 19:03:47
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SeriusBlack
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posted: Nov. 27, 2004 @ 7:06p
News
Visa USA Makes Cardholder Dispute Resolution Process Faster and Simpler System Innovations Save Cardholders, Banks and Merchants Time and Money
SAN FRANCISCO, August 12, 2003
Visa USA announced today that they have begun implementing innovative system upgrades which will expedite the process for resolving cardholder purchase disputes by increasing automation and communication, streamlining rules and procedures, and using electronic transmission in place of paper documents and the mailbox. The Visa initiative to speed and simplify the dispute resolution process has been dubbed Re-Engineering Disputes, or RED. Visa Resolve Online, a Web-based tool used by Visa's Member financial institutions, is a key component of the initiative and will play a major role in speeding the dispute resolution process. Most cardholder disputes will be resolved within just one billing cycle.
"All stakeholders will benefit from a dispute resolution process that provides them with better access to information, more options for communicating, and ultimately faster resolution of their disputes," said Dave Van Horn, vice president of Visa USA. "This transformation represents a win-win solution to dispute resolution issues."
According to Van Horn, initial system upgrades were a significant factor in the 21 percent decline of chargebacks in 2002, resulting in approximately $238 million in fewer losses, a significant savings for merchants. Issuing banks are also achieving a dramatic savings of time and money from the simplified process. RED is enabled by Direct Exchange, Visa's technology rearchitecture initiative that significantly upgrades its processing system with Internet-based technology.
Cardholders may now receive quick and accurate answers to questions regarding their purchases, which will help avert many disputes. In fact, initial changes implemented by various banks have already received positive feedback from their cardholders, according to Van Horn. "Reducing the number of chargebacks means happier customers and an even greater appreciation of the Visa brand," he said.
"RED is increasing our operational efficiency and ensuring that our backroom operations are much more cost-effective," said Linda Chumley of Wells Fargo. "Our cardholders will be extremely pleased by the consistency and speed with which their disputes are resolved."
Van Horn concluded, "While Visa is the world's most reliable payments network, we are committed to always looking at ways that new technologies can allow us to be even more efficient � and that translates into added value for our cardholders, Members and merchants."
About Visa
Visa is the world's leading payment brand and largest consumer payment system, enabling banks to provide their consumer and merchant customers with a wide variety of payment alternatives. Nearly 21,000 financial institutions worldwide rely on Visa's processing system, VisaNet, to facilitate $2.5 trillion in annual transaction volume with virtually 100 percent reliability. Consumers in more than 150 countries carry more than one billion Visa-branded cards, accepted at millions of locations worldwide. Within the U.S., nearly 14,000 financial institutions issue 396 million Visa cards, accounting for more than $1 trillion in annual transaction volume. Visa offers a trusted, reliable and convenient way to access and mobilize financial resources - anytime, anywhere, anyway. |
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iceeagle
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posted: Nov. 30, 2004 @ 9:55a
Thanks for the post OP. Its the perfect way to channelize anger and frustration. Simply gets the job done. When it involves $$ its best to work with the BBB to get it back!
Pretty useful info, I must say! |
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daud
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posted: Nov. 30, 2004 @ 10:58p
GigaFast wireless devices rebates, around one year back, on PC Club. Never reeceived, rumors GigaFast ran out of money for the rebate. Contacted CA BBB. just received notification that they received no response and closing the file. Where I go now -
MN GA, where I lived at the time of the order, AZ GA where I am now, or CA GA, where GF makes business ? |
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jayK
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posted: Dec. 1, 2004 @ 8:02a
daud said:GigaFast wireless devices rebates, around one year back, on PC Club. Never reeceived, rumors GigaFast ran out of money for the rebate. Contacted CA BBB. just received notification that they received no response and closing the file. Where I go now -
MN GA, where I lived at the time of the order, AZ GA where I am now, or CA GA, where GF makes business ?Have you tried contacting GigaFast?
http://www.gigafast.com/company/company.htm
North, Central, & South America (New address) 17531 Railroad St #C City of Industry, CA 91748, USA 626.964.2960 - 626.964.2690 FAX
Make sure you have copies of all your rebate documentation. |
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sam012007
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posted: Dec. 1, 2004 @ 2:42p
Very nice compilation, I am going to try this to fight with Circuit City for my Laptop warranty, which they refused to honor... |
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handyguy
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posted: Dec. 1, 2004 @ 5:36p
Office Max did not respond to the BBB's letter. However, the BBB wrote me to let me know of this. That one took about 4 months. |
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cshah91
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posted: Dec. 1, 2004 @ 6:45p
Text I want to thank Fatwallet and all of it's contributing members for all the great deals and valuable information. I hope that i will soon be able to contribute to the greatness that has already been acomplished by so many fatwalleter's. Thank's for giving me a chance to positively contribute to this team. I look forward to working with many of u in the near future. Thanks again! CS91 |
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MidnightCowgirl
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posted: Dec. 1, 2004 @ 8:50p
Hi guys I have a quick question for you all:
I recently had a bad experience with a well-known Pizza chain. I ordered a large pizza, they brought instead 2 mediums...both were RAW/UNDERCOOKED. I immediately called them and told them of the matter and the manager said he'd give me a free pizza. Since we rarely eat from this place, I asked if he could just void the check I paid with so I wouldn't have to pay for the pizza(s). He said sure.
Fast forward a week or so, I check my bank account and see the jerk cashed the check anyway. I called him and he a) admitted that he KNOWINGLY lied to me when he said he'd void the check b) spoke in street slang (ie he told me he was "doing his thang" at one point c) proceeded to make jokes about the situation and laugh AT me for getting upset d) offered no solution other than a half-felt apology.
I called corporate and noticed they left a message to return the call this evening.
In addition to getting my money back, I'd like to get this guy scolded. My question to you is...We made a verbal agreement not to cash my check and he still did. What are my rights on that? What can I add to my conversation w/ corporate to help them understand that this manager is way out of line?
TIA for any advice. I can hold my own pretty good on the phone but I'd like to see if I've overlooked any big points. |
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