mrblackpcs2 said:coachray said:2003 Honda S2000
14,000 miles
33908
Color = Gray
I have not driven it, but have seen it. I asked for their best price over the phone and they told me $25,900

I got another internet quote for $24,492for a 2003 with 14,000 miles. Is $22,000 too much? Their final offer is 23,469 plus tax title. So, I guess they are out of the running.
Edmunds Link

2003 Honda S2000 2dr Roadster (2.0L 4cyl 6M)
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
National Base Price $21,484 $22,866 $25,169
Optional Equipment $0 $0 $0
Color Adjustment
Gray $46 $49 $54
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code 33908 $-26 $-28 $-31
Mileage Adjustment
14,000 miles $747 $747 $747
Condition Adjustment
Clean $0 $0 $0
Total $22,251 $23,634 $25,939

Condition Trade-In Value Retail Value Description
Clean $22,985 $26,025
Average $21,745 $24,375
Rough $17,670 $21,525
Original MSRP in 2003 $32,600

8% tax plus $50 for tags.

What should I offer? What is the most I should pay?

Thanks in advance.

MSRP= $25,900
Est Invoice= $21,745
Dealer Prep= $ 500est(Includes certification)
Est Tru invoice= $22,245
tax/tags= $415+49=$1830 (Tax=$1780[8% of 22245]+[Tags=$50])
Low ball offer= $22,075(true invoice + tax/tags - 2K)
Target Price= $23,900 including tax/tags
Good Price=$23,900-26,000 OTD(Out The Door=including tax/tags, all in, no hidden fees)
Too High=any thing over $26,000 OTD


I would like to thank you for this thread and the new car thread. I e-mailed two stealerships and the closest one agreed to 24000 out the door.

I will go sign the paperwork today and take delivery tomorrow.

THANKS AGAIN!

ajf3 said:Hi -

Very nice of you to offer your help here! I'm hoping I post this in the proper format... I wanted to know what a good price would be for this car. There is also another one - with the same equipment/mileage, but it isn't certified and doesn't have a 'warranty'. How much would that deduct from the price?

Thanks!


2003 Pontiac Vibe
44,000 miles
zip=15332
color=black
Edmunds Link
Link to actual vehicle
Not seen in person yet.

Asking price $12995.

-Optional Equipment Copied from edmunds
National Base Price $9,447 $10,393 $11,969
Optional Equipment $1,135 $1,253 $1,613
Power Door Locks $65 $71 $92
Power Windows $74 $82 $106
Keyless Entry System $55 $61 $78
4-Wheel ABS $225 $249 $320
Cruise Control $58 $64 $82
4-Speed Automatic Transmission $270 $298 $384
Front Side Airbags $116 $128 $165
Power Moonroof $164 $181 $233
AM/FM/CD Changer Audio System $108 $119 $153
Color Adjustment
Black $-30 $-33 $-38
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code 15332 $-20 $-23 $-26
Mileage Adjustment
44,423 miles $-846 $-846 $-846
Condition Adjustment
Clean $0 $0 $0
Total $9,686 $10,744 $12,672
Certified Used Vehicle $13,452

-Black Book Report
Condition Trade-In Value Retail Value Description
Clean $10,775 $13,250 No body scratches, dents, rust or other signs of wear. Interior is perfect. Very low mileage. Very few vehicles qualify for Clean when a vehicle is traded in.
Average $10,060 $11,875 Body is very clean with only a few minor scratches, no dents and no rust. Interior is very clean with very little noticeable wear. Mileage less than 15,000 miles per year.
Rough $8,140 $10,575 Body is very rough with many scratches, dents, rust or hail damage. Interior is dirty and shows excessive wear. Mechanically needs work. High mileage.
Original MSRP in 2003 $16,365
The above values are based on the net value of +$300 for equipment and options, and an odometer reading of 44,423.

Local sales tax is 6% - not sure about the title fees - prob < $100.

Thanks!

MSRP= $12,995
Est Invoice= $8,140
Dealer Prep= $ 500est(Includes certification)
Est Tru invoice= $8,640
tax/tags= $415+49=$618(Tax=$518[6% of 8,640]+[Tags=$100])
Low ball offer= $7,258(true invoice + tax/tags - 2K)
Target Price= $10,127 including tax/tags
Good Price=$10,127-$11,875 OTD(Out The Door=including tax/tags, all in, no hidden fees)
Too High=any thing over $11,875 OTD

studia said:2005 Nissan Altima 2.5S
17,500 miles
zip=95112
Color = Gray
I have driven it. I asked for their best price and they told me $15,000 include tax+title.

Edmunds Link

2005 Nissan Altima 2.5 S 4dr Sedan (2.5L 4cyl 5M)
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
National Base Price $12,900 $14,031 $15,915
Optional Equipment $1,062 $1,133 $1,390
Power Door Locks $207 $221 $271
AM/FM/CD Audio System $207 $221 $271
Front Side Airbags $149 $159 $195
4-Speed Automatic Transmission $292 $311 $382
Alloy Wheels $207 $221 $271
Color Adjustment
Gray $46 $50 $57
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code 95112 $-32 $-35 $-39
Mileage Adjustment
17,500 miles $-692 $-692 $-692
Condition Adjustment
Outstanding $430 $444 $516
Total $13,714 $14,931 $17,147

Certified Used Vehicle N/A

-Black Book Report
Clean $14,390 $16,975
Average $13,415 $15,450
Rough $10,395 $13,200
Original MSRP in 2003 $18,999

What should I offer? What is the most I should pay?

Thanks in advance

MSRP= $15,000 including t/t
Est Invoice= $10,395
Dealer Prep= $ 200est
Est Tru invoice= $10,595
tax/tags= $415+49=$1,027 (Tax=$927[8.75%??? of 22245]+[Tags=$100???])
Low ball offer= $9,622(true invoice + tax/tags - 2K)
Target Price= $12,311 including tax/tags
Good Price=$12,311-$13,200 OTD(Out The Door=including tax/tags, all in, no hidden fees)
Too High=any thing over $13,200 OTD
***I have a hard time believing the dealer paid average Black Book for this car with the milage. If he insists he did ask to see the original deal or purchase slip from the auction

1999 Audi A6 Quattro
54586 miles
asking price: $14,495 +t/tl
color: beige
zip=14221
seen it but have not driven it

edmunds link

National Base Price $8,626 $10,197 $11,832
Optional Equipment $482 $574 $744
Power Moonroof $163 $194 $252
Leather Seats $204 $243 $315
Bose Audio $115 $137 $177
Color Adjustment
Off White/Cream $-31 $-37 $-43
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code 14221 $-72 $-85 $-98
Mileage Adjustment
54,586 miles $1,177 $1,177 $1,177
Condition Adjustment
Clean $0 $0 $0
Total $10,182 $11,826 $13,612

Condition Trade-In Value Retail Value Description
Clean $11,080 $13,700 No body scratches, dents, rust or other signs of wear. Interior is perfect. Very low mileage. Very few vehicles qualify for Clean when a vehicle is traded in.
Average $9,490 $11,575 Body is very clean with only a few minor scratches, no dents and no rust. Interior is very clean with very little noticeable wear. Mileage less than 15,000 miles per year.
Rough $5,510 $7,650 Body is very rough with many scratches, dents, rust or hail damage. Interior is dirty and shows excessive wear. Mechanically needs work. High mileage.
Original MSRP in 1999 $35,400


What should I offer? tia

Here is a picture:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=8/22615541931.jpg&s=x1

The thread helped more than you couls possibly imagine. Knowledge is power. If you are not knowledegeble, they will take you.

This car had a price of 27,800.

I lowballed 20,000

He countered with 25483 out the door.

I then sent his email and another stealerships email offer of 23560 (w/o taxes tag and title) to both stealerships.

I told them first one to 24,000 gets my money. I got an e-mail Sunday morning at 9:30.

I drove to some other dealers to take some more test drives (Lancer EVO, Saleen Focus, Mazda RX8) just to make sure the Honda was what I wanted.

It was and I wrote the check and drove off.

Thanks again. This is a great help.

coachray said:Here is a picture:
s2000

The thread helped more than you couls possibly imagine. Knowledge is power. If you are not knowledegeble, they will take you.

This car had a price of 27,800.

I lowballed 20,000

He countered with 25483 out the door.

I then sent his email and another stealerships email offer of 23560 (w/o taxes tag and title) to both stealerships.

I told them first one to 24,000 gets my money. I got an e-mail Sunday morning at 9:30.

I drove to some other dealers to take some more test drives (Lancer EVO, Saleen Focus, Mazda RX8) just to make sure the Honda was what I wanted.

It was and I wrote the check and drove off.

Thanks again. This is a great help.

thanks for posting the pic. can we see a scan of the paperwork?

2005 Ford Explorer XLT 4x4
4.0L V6
Towing Package
AM/FM CD
AC / Rear AC
Luggage Rack
Alloy Wheels
Power Seats
Cruise
Running Boards
3rd row seat

I have not seen the vehicle, but my wife has. I will probably go look at it today.


Copied from Edmunds

Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
National Base Price $17,922 $19,244 $21,446
Optional Equipment $1,433 $1,539 $1,912
Camper/Towing Package $201 $216 $268
Running Boards $204 $219 $272
Center and Rear Bench Seat $399 $429 $533
Rear Heater $327 $351 $436
AM/FM/Cassette/CD Audio System $76 $81 $101
Alloy Wheels $226 $243 $302
Color Adjustment
Dark Blue $7 $8 $8
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code 27855 $-16 $-17 $-19
Mileage Adjustment
21,693 miles $-960 $-960 $-960
Condition Adjustment
Outstanding $662 $683 $780
Total $19,048 $20,497 $23,167


Copied from Blackbook Blackbook

Condition Trade-In Value Retail Value Description
Clean $19,275 $22,425 No body scratches, dents, rust or other signs of wear. Interior is perfect. Very low mileage. Very few vehicles qualify for Clean when a vehicle is traded in.
Average $18,240 $20,575 Body is very clean with only a few minor scratches, no dents and no rust. Interior is very clean with very little noticeable wear. Mileage less than 15,000 miles per year.
Rough Price N/A Price N/A Body is very rough with many scratches, dents, rust or hail damage. Interior is dirty and shows excessive wear. Mechanically needs work. High mileage.

Tax / Tags 3% Road Tax (no sales tax) + ~$50 tags

Dealer originally wanted $21,950, has come down to $19,720 + T/T and $299 "processing" fee which I will not pay.

Thanks! Edmunds Link

Thanks. Looks like the latest offer is close to target! (target 19,696 vs 19,720 latest offer).

I looked at the vehicle today and it's "average" IMO. A few minor scratches, some fabric stains etc. I also found out this was a rental vehicle. Other than these minor cosmetic and easily fixable items it seems in good shape. I'm thinking about pounding them over these "flaws" though to see if I can drive it lower. According to Carfax they bought it at auction 2 months ago so I'm thinking they will be motivated to sell it.

Do you think I'll get any further or have I done the best I can do?

mrblackpcs said:Kidsmakeyoucrazy said:Thanks. Looks like the latest offer is close to target! (target 19,696 vs 19,720 latest offer).

I looked at the vehicle today and it's "average" IMO. A few minor scratches, some fabric stains etc. I also found out this was a rental vehicle. Other than these minor cosmetic and easily fixable items it seems in good shape. I'm thinking about pounding them over these "flaws" though to see if I can drive it lower. According to Carfax they bought it at auction 2 months ago so I'm thinking they will be motivated to sell it.

Do you think I'll get any further or have I done the best I can do?

cant be average with milage
Doh! Thanks again. Looks like I have a bit more wiggle room.

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