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pep boys has the following three scooters on sale:

Freedom reg $899.99, Retro reg $599.99, Fusion reg $599.99

All on sale for $399.98 less $100 MIR = $299.98

With the high price of gas, and global warming.. this might make a good alternative for short around town trips. This is a "full size" scooter.. Durability may be a factor.. I have one on order..


link to ad

link to info

up to 29mph and 24.8 mile range. Motorcycle/Scooter licence required. Street Legal. (need to register with dmv)..

according to the specs, operating voltage is 48 volts.

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California
Here is what constitutes a moped in California
1. Two-wheel or three-wheel device
2. Fully operative pedals for human power or powered solely by electrical energy
3. Automatic transmission and a motor with less than 2 gross brake horsepower
4. Maximum speed of 30 miles per hour on ground level
Under this definition the Voloci is classifies as a moped here in California and should be registered as such.
How to apply for a motorcycle or moped driver license if you are over 18

In California, there are two classes of motorcycle licenses, Class M1 and Class M2.

* With a Class M1, you can operate any 2-wheel motorcycle and any motorized vehicle in Class M2.
* With a Class M2, you can only operate any motorized bicycle or moped or any bicycle with an attached motor.

Refer to the Motorcycle Driver Handbook for more information.

5036. A service fee of fifteen dollars ($15) shall be paid for the issuance or transfer of a special license plate for motorized bicycles, as defined in Section 406. Publicly-owned motorized bicycles are exempt from the fee.

Georgia

Mopeds

A moped is any motor driven cycle with an engine not exceeding 50 cubic centimeters (3.05 cubic inches) that can propel the cycle at a speed not to exceed 30 miles per hour (MPH) and does not require clutching or shifting.

Mopeds are exempt from the provisions relating to the registration and licensing of motor vehicles.

Rules to operate mopeds on Georgia roads and highways:

1. Must be 15 years of age and have in their possession a valid driver’s license, instructional permit or limited permit.
2. Must wear protective headgear (motorcycle helmet).
3. No tag is required.
4. Every person operating a moped upon a roadway must obey the same traffic laws governing drivers of motor vehicles.
5. May not use limited access highways or other roadways where the minimum speed limit is above 35 mph.

New Jersey
Link to DMV
Seems no-go for NJ. It needs to be insured, and might not be qualified as moped, because it doesn't have a pedal.
A moped (motorized bicycle) is defined by law as: A pedal bicycle with a helper-motor that has a maximum piston displacement of less than 50 cubic centimeters, or no more than 1.5 brake horsepower, and is capable of a maximum speed of no more than 25 miles per hour on a flat surface.
Report to the Driver Testing Center at the scheduled date and time with a registered, insured moped, to take the road test. Since mopeds are not permitted on some highways, it may be necessary to bring the moped in a station wagon or truck.

State B
etc. Let's get them organized, guys!


A review by Binky Bill:
[Q]
Well, I broke down and bought a Retro today. Here's the pros and cons:

Pros:
*Either my little spedomoter was off or I was hitting 40mph on extended stretches of flat land. Did about 25 on reasonable hills. I weight about 170
*It is super cool quiet.
*To me it rides pretty smoothly.
*The engine, transmission ("centrifigal" they told me), shocks, brakes and general "guts" seem solid
*You really can take it out at night. The headlight is truly powerful enough. I did try to adjust it downward a bit, but had minimal success. It has a "highbeam" but I couldn't tell much difference.
*It looks pretty cool

Cons:
*The cosmetics (including the big front section is all inexpensive plastic. They would provide no protection if you were in a crash and will probably wear out pretty quick.
*I don't know which of the Pep Boys assembled mine, but I think it might have been Curly, Mo, and Larry. They just threw this thing together. Didn't really tighten nuts and bolts up. I put in about 10 minutes and it was good to go, however. They also seem to have ruined the attachment area for the right quarter panel. I'm going to try get it replaced tomorrow. Either that or they need to discount it.
*Documentation is poor. Clearly Engalese, that unique combination of English and Chinese. Almost nothing on how to actually maintain it (though it does have a schedule)
*As mentioned, the future of replacement parts is somewhat unknown.

So...to me it's worth $300 bucks (but certainly not the original price). I think it will be a lot of fun to drive to and from work (about 6 blocks for me, which is why I don't mind this only being electric). However, I doubt it is going to last more than a few years. My thinking is that if it dies in three years and I like riding one of these things, I might invest in a more substantial one.

My charger, btw, is 2.5 amps and I can already tell that they do get hot. A fan probably is a good idea.

I've been told that in Kansas this is classified as a moped and should be cheap to get tags for.

One more note: Pepboys does have 90 days same as cash, and so that's how I got mine.

I've only been playing with it one night, so I'll update you all later in the week on how I like it.
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Kindof a repost but it's deleted, so game on.

Heh, i think my roadbike can go faster and best of all, i fuel it with donuts

Nice find OP.

Whether these are street legal, whether you are required to have them registered/inspected/insured, and whether you need a motorcycle license to drive them legally all depend on your state laws. If someone's interested in one of these they should do some research with their state's DMV.

Also, a $30 dealer prep charge will be added by Pep Boys according to the ad so it's $330 AR.

This looks sweet. Is $899.99 a real retail price? Wonder why it'd be so much more than the others.

Nice deal!

Got to be a typo about 12 volts. No way are these things going to go 28mph if they are only 12 volt. Most scooters like this are 48volts. 36 minimum.

how tall are these scooters? regular bicycle height? or is it the ghetto short mini version that kids ride to snatch your bag?

The online ad for the pep boys in Colorado does not have these scooter listed. Maybe it is Cali only.

great find OP! much better than the refrigerator's deleted post from last Saturday! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border=0>

this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road

Pimpee said: [Q]this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road

would be a lot better if it takes both

A toy just because it's electric? Hardly. I've been riding electric scooters for years now. The good ones are definitely not toys. Some of them can out accelerate anything on the road up to about 60-70 MPH. My little scooter out runs many if not most cars until about 25 MPH. It's funny to hear them rev their engines trying to keep up. The cool scooter right now is from China. It has silicon batteries with something like 40 miles of range. I'm hopeful that the US can catch up someday.

Oh this scooter is 48 volts. The 12 volts is per battery.

Panterra are horrible scooters though.

Excuse any typos. I'm typing on a Treo.

Pimpee said: [Q]this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road

Pimpee said: [Q]this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road

I wouldn't say that yet... Look at this site, some electric scooters (not the Pantera though) are capable of going about 60mph, or even more
Here is the link

Thanks OP>>> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

i've looked at the marksmenship of pepboy's line up.. most (if not all) their scooters /bikes are marketed as toys and are cheaply made. i would not take one of these one the road or would consider it a reliable means of transportation. i'm not knocking scooters in general.. i think gas ones are great.. i've never been on a solid electic one but range + maintaince concerns me since i'm in the city.

I was there today and seen this, i thought oh man i wouldn't want to put a child on that.

puppyfriend said:[Q]...Panterra are horrible scooters though.... I remember a similar thread in FW a while ago for a Panterra 125 trail bike (gas). Panterra forum groups were complaining that Panterra went out of business, a liquidator bought the remaining parts inventory however parts were not available. One rider (reflecting on build quality) suggested tightening all the bolts before each and every ride....I like that one.

Not knocking Pep Boys but I would pass on the Panterra line of fine motorcycles and scooters.

puppyfriend said: [Q]A toy just because it's electric? Hardly. I've been riding electric scooters for years now. The good ones are definitely not toys. Some of them can out accelerate anything on the road up to about 60-70 MPH. My little scooter out runs many if not most cars until about 25 MPH. It's funny to hear them rev their engines trying to keep up. The cool scooter right now is from China. It has silicon batteries with something like 40 miles of range. I'm hopeful that the US can catch up someday.

Oh this scooter is 48 volts. The 12 volts is per battery.

Panterra are horrible scooters though.

Excuse any typos. I'm typing on a Treo.

Pimpee said: [Q]this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road

Which one do you have? Where did you buy it? I'm looking into getting one of these things <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

Ride it to work and plug in !

That's funny, I'm in the market for a nice scooter...

Motorcycle Permit $16 + waiting at the NYSTATE DMV
Motorcycle Saftey course $350
Motorcycle License $10

$300 scooter from PB's, ha, I'll take my changes elsewhere

vladgur said: [Q]Heh, i think my roadbike can go faster and best of all, i fuel it with donuts

At least on the scooter you wont arrive all funky and wet from sweat!

If you look at this scooter as a toy, it is very nice deal. $300 after rebate is a great price for a 48 volt 700 watt scooter. If you are going to commute, you probably want a gas powered scooter or a motorcycle IMO.

now thisBIKEwould be the stand-in for gas scooters until the get fuel cell bikes on the market.

62mph top speed and 70 mile range...with regenerative braking.

This is equivalent to only 6 tankfuls of gas in my car...nice to use for errands and save the gas and environmnet!

momotarosan said: [Q]now thisBIKEwould be the stand-in for gas scooters until the get fuel cell bikes on the market.

62mph top speed and 70 mile range...with regenerative braking.
WOW. I want one of these ;~)
With the price of gas predicted to shoot up again in the aftermath of Katrina, this would be the way to go so I don't have to pump so much of my limited resources into the tank of my Expedition...
On another note, I hope rising fuel prices help fuel consumer demand for more choices from auto makers like hybrids, diesels built for economy (not just for power), etc.

kenmarks said: [Q]momotarosan said: [Q]now thisBIKEwould be the stand-in for gas scooters until the get fuel cell bikes on the market.

62mph top speed and 70 mile range...with regenerative braking.
WOW. I want one of these ;~)
With the price of gas predicted to shoot up again in the aftermath of Katrina, this would be the way to go so I don't have to pump so much of my limited resources into the tank of my Expedition...
On another note, I hope rising fuel prices help fuel consumer demand for more choices from auto makers like hybrids, diesels built for economy (not just for power), etc.

Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours.

Incredibledealmaker said: [Q]This is equivalent to only 6 tankfuls of gas in my car...nice to use for errands and save the gas and environmnet!

Not to nitpick but yes on the gas no on the evironment, it still uses electricity which came from a power plant, 50% of the powerplants in the country run on coal which is not exactly environment friendly.

clearanceman said:

Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours.
If diesel cars can't make it through currently, where do the Volkswagen TDI's come from? We have driven these for years. They are cheap to operate, have plenty of power, and the newer ones have low emissions (I don't know if they have them in California though as California is stricter).

clearanceman said: [Q]Not to nitpick but yes on the gas no on the evironment, it still uses electricity which came from a power plant, 50% of the powerplants in the country run on coal which is not exactly environment friendly.

This is true... but the amount of contaminants produced to create that power produces less emissions than the amount used to power a gasoline powered vehicle the same distance. And, if you're so inclined, you can recharge it using solar power or a fuel cell at your home.

puneetbhargava said: [Q]puppyfriend said: [Q]A toy just because it's electric? Hardly. I've been riding electric scooters for years now. The good ones are definitely not toys. Some of them can out accelerate anything on the road up to about 60-70 MPH. My little scooter out runs many if not most cars until about 25 MPH. It's funny to hear them rev their engines trying to keep up. The cool scooter right now is from China. It has silicon batteries with something like 40 miles of range. I'm hopeful that the US can catch up someday.

Oh this scooter is 48 volts. The 12 volts is per battery.

Panterra are horrible scooters though.

Excuse any typos. I'm typing on a Treo.

Pimpee said: [Q]this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road

Which one do you have? Where did you buy it? I'm looking into getting one of these things <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border=0>

which one? the Treo or a scooter?<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border=0>

I bought one of these for fun and it runs fairly nice. It gets up over 20 mph, and I am a big guy of 300 + pds.
Now I just have to see how long the rebate takes. It is street legal and I did have to get title and plates for it. I dought I will ride it on any busy streets, but cool to have and putt around the neighborhood on.

kenmarks said: [Q]clearanceman said:

Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours.
If diesel cars can't make it through currently, where do the Volkswagen TDI's come from? We have driven these for years. They are cheap to operate, have plenty of power, and the newer ones have low emissions (I don't know if they have them in California though as California is stricter).and I have to add; the comment about Europe is untrue also, Europe has been steadily improving their air quality over the last 20 years and they attribute much of the improvement to the increase in clean-diesel vehicle. Americans and the EPA are just pig-headed about diesels, mostly from the disasters that GM and Ford tried to push in the late 70's. VW (and others) have vehicle sold internationally that make the mileage of hybrids look pathetic (70+ MPG). VW had a engineering concept car (2-seat, front to back) that was the first car to successfully covered 100KM on one litre of diesel (basically 66 miles on a quart).

If the point about 2007 was true, somebody had better tell VW, they have several improved Diesels planned to be available for 2006 and Mercedes recently brought back a diesel engine.

I'm pondering one of these. Went into PepBoys to look at them. Pantera has indeed gone out of business. Parts in the future may be a problem (but are there many things to go wrong with an electric?? Maybe somebody who owns one can tell me).

They are cute. Look to be pretty good quality, but others in this forum have said no. The Freedom is pretty big. Has one break on the "floor" of the scooter. Other than that all three are the same basic innerds.

Salesguy says you would be lucky to get 29mph in one...more like 20.

Only has a 30 day warranty through a company called Baja Motorsports. They seem legit. Three service centers in Wichita for me, which is good.

Not sure...wish I could find a review or talk to somebody who has one of the electric. With gas going up up up, this is tempting.

Isn't battery technology pretty limited? Wont the maintenance on this thing be really expensive? My batteries on laptops and rc cars never last that long if used fairly regularly. Way less than a year. I doubt these batteries would last that long, are they cheap to replace?

I thought this is why all serious scooters are gas, not electric.

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License / Permit Required Any Class
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kenmarks said: [Q]clearanceman said:

Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours.
If diesel cars can't make it through currently, where do the Volkswagen TDI's come from? We have driven these for years. They are cheap to operate, have plenty of power, and the newer ones have low emissions (I don't know if they have them in California though as California is stricter).

After 2007, they can't pass either. There are very few diesels here because previously gas was cheap and there was little interest. But also, car makers know they can't even sell the diesel cars here after 2007 so what is the point in developing and marketing them here now?

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[Q] xstemcellx said: I remember a similar thread in FW a while ago for a Panterra 125 trail bike (gas).

I'd like to find this thread, but can't find it,
can you help



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