puppyfriend said:A toy just because it's electric? Hardly. I've been riding electric scooters for years now. The good ones are definitely not toys. Some of them can out accelerate anything on the road up to about 60-70 MPH. My little scooter out runs many if not most cars until about 25 MPH. It's funny to hear them rev their engines trying to keep up. The cool scooter right now is from China. It has silicon batteries with something like 40 miles of range. I'm hopeful that the US can catch up someday.

Oh this scooter is 48 volts. The 12 volts is per battery.

Panterra are horrible scooters though.

Excuse any typos. I'm typing on a Treo.

Pimpee said:this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road

Which one do you have? Where did you buy it? I'm looking into getting one of these things

That's funny, I'm in the market for a nice scooter...

Motorcycle Permit $16 + waiting at the NYSTATE DMV
Motorcycle Saftey course $350
Motorcycle License $10

$300 scooter from PB's, ha, I'll take my changes elsewhere

If you look at this scooter as a toy, it is very nice deal. $300 after rebate is a great price for a 48 volt 700 watt scooter. If you are going to commute, you probably want a gas powered scooter or a motorcycle IMO.

This is equivalent to only 6 tankfuls of gas in my car...nice to use for errands and save the gas and environmnet!

kenmarks said:momotarosan said:now thisBIKEwould be the stand-in for gas scooters until the get fuel cell bikes on the market.

62mph top speed and 70 mile range...with regenerative braking.
WOW. I want one of these ;~)
With the price of gas predicted to shoot up again in the aftermath of Katrina, this would be the way to go so I don't have to pump so much of my limited resources into the tank of my Expedition...
On another note, I hope rising fuel prices help fuel consumer demand for more choices from auto makers like hybrids, diesels built for economy (not just for power), etc.

Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours.

clearanceman said:

Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours.
If diesel cars can't make it through currently, where do the Volkswagen TDI's come from? We have driven these for years. They are cheap to operate, have plenty of power, and the newer ones have low emissions (I don't know if they have them in California though as California is stricter).

puneetbhargava said:puppyfriend said:A toy just because it's electric? Hardly. I've been riding electric scooters for years now. The good ones are definitely not toys. Some of them can out accelerate anything on the road up to about 60-70 MPH. My little scooter out runs many if not most cars until about 25 MPH. It's funny to hear them rev their engines trying to keep up. The cool scooter right now is from China. It has silicon batteries with something like 40 miles of range. I'm hopeful that the US can catch up someday.

Oh this scooter is 48 volts. The 12 volts is per battery.

Panterra are horrible scooters though.

Excuse any typos. I'm typing on a Treo.

Pimpee said:this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road

Which one do you have? Where did you buy it? I'm looking into getting one of these things

which one? the Treo or a scooter?

kenmarks said:clearanceman said:

Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours.
If diesel cars can't make it through currently, where do the Volkswagen TDI's come from? We have driven these for years. They are cheap to operate, have plenty of power, and the newer ones have low emissions (I don't know if they have them in California though as California is stricter).and I have to add; the comment about Europe is untrue also, Europe has been steadily improving their air quality over the last 20 years and they attribute much of the improvement to the increase in clean-diesel vehicle. Americans and the EPA are just pig-headed about diesels, mostly from the disasters that GM and Ford tried to push in the late 70's. VW (and others) have vehicle sold internationally that make the mileage of hybrids look pathetic (70+ MPG). VW had a engineering concept car (2-seat, front to back) that was the first car to successfully covered 100KM on one litre of diesel (basically 66 miles on a quart).

If the point about 2007 was true, somebody had better tell VW, they have several improved Diesels planned to be available for 2006 and Mercedes recently brought back a diesel engine.

Isn't battery technology pretty limited? Wont the maintenance on this thing be really expensive? My batteries on laptops and rc cars never last that long if used fairly regularly. Way less than a year. I doubt these batteries would last that long, are they cheap to replace?

I thought this is why all serious scooters are gas, not electric.

Just a FYI:

No registration or separate license needed in MA