ZzZzs said:For those in California - this appears to be a motorized bicycle and is exempt from registration.

Ca DMV link

Definition link

(2) Is incapable of propelling the device at a speed of more than 20 miles per hour on ground level.

And if you read the description, it said

up to 29mph and 24.8 mile range.

So it is more than 20 miles per hour which make this a moped in California

Which means you need to register with dmv and remember you need Class M2 motorcycle license to operate any motorized bicycle or moped or any bicycle with an attached motor.

Also in Cal, DMV said:

21207.5. Notwithstanding Sections 21207 and 23127 of this code, or any other provision of law, no motorized bicycle may be operated on a bicycle path or trail, bikeway, bicycle lane established pursuant to Section 21207, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreational trail, unless it is within or adjacent to a roadway or unless the local authority or the governing body of a public agency having jurisdiction over such path or trail permits, by ordinance, such operation.

fish777 said:ZzZzs said:For those in California - this appears to be a motorized bicycle and is exempt from registration.

Ca DMV link

Definition link

(2) Is incapable of propelling the device at a speed of more than 20 miles per hour on ground level.

And if you read the description, it said

up to 29mph and 24.8 mile range.

So it is more than 20 miles per hour which make this a moped in California

Which means you need to register with dmv and remember you need Class M2 motorcycle license to operate any motorized bicycle or moped or any bicycle with an attached motor.

Also in Cal, DMV said:

21207.5. Notwithstanding Sections 21207 and 23127 of this code, or any other provision of law, no motorized bicycle may be operated on a bicycle path or trail, bikeway, bicycle lane established pursuant to Section 21207, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreational trail, unless it is within or adjacent to a roadway or unless the local authority or the governing body of a public agency having jurisdiction over such path or trail permits, by ordinance, such operation.

Just found more info, For those in California, even motorized bicycle need license plate which mean need DMV registration.

5037. (a) No motorized bicycle first sold on or after July 1, 1981, shall be moved or operated upon a highway unless the owner first makes application for a license plate and, when received, attaches it to the motorized bicycle as provided in this article.
(b) Motorized bicycles first sold prior to July 1, 1981, shall not be moved or operated upon a highway after January 1, 1982, unless the owner makes application for a license plate and, when received, attaches it to the motorized bicycle as provided in this article.

Did anyone have the Fusion? I like the Freedom but it's too heavy for me.

It's only 20 lbs heavier. It's just looks much heavier but it's all plastic.

What charger does the retro come with? I looked at all of them in store and there were 2AMP and 5AMP chargers. If the Freedom come with a 5AMP charger and the Retro comes with a 2AMP charger it might be worth it to get the Freedom since they are all the same price. I'm going to rip all the plastic off anyways and ride it bare.

Izmeeh said:Did anyone have the Fusion? I like the Freedom but it's too heavy for me.

i just got a retro. i'm extremely happy with it. for some reason, i didnt get charge for the paper work fee. here is a picture of my scooter: http://www.yourbigfun.net/retro.jpg

i weight 130lbs and only able to sustain 25mph on the scooter. i dont think mine goes up to 30mph. the battery seems to last awhile. i was playing around with the scooter on and off for a couple of hours and log in 6 miles and did not notice the battery signal go down. very happy with the purchase.


thanks op,

vien

$300 for a full size scooter is a really good deal. I bought my stand-up gas scooter a couple years ago for $250.

I too and interested in this in California. I'll ask a couple of people.
Here is what I have found so far.

1) This item is Special order at most Pepboys.
2) Panterra is Out of Business.
3) The nearest Authorized Repair shop is in Arizona (Baja Motorsports)
4) The Ad says the Fusion model does 42Mph (Which would account for the 30Mph people here are posting).
5) This says Motor Scooter but in California a scooter must be able to be human propelled. I'm not sure if you can push a 200lb scooter with your foot. If not, then it is a Motorcyle in California. That's a big difference since a scooter is a Class C (Normal) and a Motorcycle is a Class M1.
6) In california you HAVE to register it. It has a Vin and that means you need insurance. Insurance for me came to about $150(Liability)+$100(C&C)

So as soon as I find out the crucial scooter/motorcycle I will keep researching, but basically this bike is good for about a year. Then Baja will be out of the parts and all owners will be SoL.

forbin4040 said:I too and interested in this in California. I'll ask a couple of people.
Here is what I have found so far.

4) The Ad says the Fusion model does 42Mph (Which would account for the 30Mph people here are posting).

6) In california you HAVE to register it. It has a Vin and that means you need insurance. Insurance for me came to about $150(Liability)+$100(C&C)

4) It’s really confusing because if you look at the spec sheet or description on pep boys site, then you’ll find all of them have the same speed, battery, motor type, etc…(only FREEDOM model is heavier & Wheelbase of FUSION is bigger than these other two). But that’s it.
May be typo? Guess we got a find down then

6) Of course, it’s better for us if we have insurance for it. But if for someone just gets on the road once in a while for fun, it is a pain in the $$

Cheer

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forbin4040 said:5) This says Motor Scooter but in California a scooter must be able to be human propelled. I'm not sure if you can push a 200lb scooter with your foot. If not, then it is a Motorcyle in California. That's a big difference since a scooter is a Class C (Normal) and a Motorcycle is a Class M1.
6) In california you HAVE to register it. It has a Vin and that means you need insurance. Insurance for me came to about $150(Liability)+$100(C&C)


This is simply not true. Where did you get this information?

To quote the CA vehicle code:
"406. (a) A "motorized bicycle" or "moped" is any two-wheeled or three-wheeled device having fully operative pedals for propulsion by human power, or having no pedals if powered solely by electrical energy, and an automatic transmission and a motor which produces less than 2 gross brake horsepower and is capable of propelling the device at a maximum speed of not more than 30 miles per hour on level ground."

By the definition of the CA vehicle code, all these scooters would be considered electric bicycles AKA mopeds. They are entirely electrically powered and they are slower than 30 MPH.

Here's the link for the CA vehicle code section.

The ad saying the Fusion goes 48MPH is just wrong. Look at the specs from Nikota. All three have exactly the same speed and range.