With the high price of gas, and global warming.. this might make a good alternative for short around town trips. This is a "full size" scooter.. Durability may be a factor.. I have one on order..
Whether these are street legal, whether you are required to have them registered/inspected/insured, and whether you need a motorcycle license to drive them legally all depend on your state laws. If someone's interested in one of these they should do some research with their state's DMV.
Also, a $30 dealer prep charge will be added by Pep Boys according to the ad so it's $330 AR.
A toy just because it's electric? Hardly. I've been riding electric scooters for years now. The good ones are definitely not toys. Some of them can out accelerate anything on the road up to about 60-70 MPH. My little scooter out runs many if not most cars until about 25 MPH. It's funny to hear them rev their engines trying to keep up. The cool scooter right now is from China. It has silicon batteries with something like 40 miles of range. I'm hopeful that the US can catch up someday.
Oh this scooter is 48 volts. The 12 volts is per battery.
Panterra are horrible scooters though.
Excuse any typos. I'm typing on a Treo.
Pimpee said: this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road
Pimpee said: this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road
I wouldn't say that yet... Look at this site, some electric scooters (not the Pantera though) are capable of going about 60mph, or even more Here is the link
i've looked at the marksmenship of pepboy's line up.. most (if not all) their scooters /bikes are marketed as toys and are cheaply made. i would not take one of these one the road or would consider it a reliable means of transportation. i'm not knocking scooters in general.. i think gas ones are great.. i've never been on a solid electic one but range + maintaince concerns me since i'm in the city.
puppyfriend said:...Panterra are horrible scooters though.... I remember a similar thread in FW a while ago for a Panterra 125 trail bike (gas). Panterra forum groups were complaining that Panterra went out of business, a liquidator bought the remaining parts inventory however parts were not available. One rider (reflecting on build quality) suggested tightening all the bolts before each and every ride....I like that one.
Not knocking Pep Boys but I would pass on the Panterra line of fine motorcycles and scooters.
puppyfriend said: A toy just because it's electric? Hardly. I've been riding electric scooters for years now. The good ones are definitely not toys. Some of them can out accelerate anything on the road up to about 60-70 MPH. My little scooter out runs many if not most cars until about 25 MPH. It's funny to hear them rev their engines trying to keep up. The cool scooter right now is from China. It has silicon batteries with something like 40 miles of range. I'm hopeful that the US can catch up someday.
Oh this scooter is 48 volts. The 12 volts is per battery.
Panterra are horrible scooters though.
Excuse any typos. I'm typing on a Treo.
Pimpee said: this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road
Which one do you have? Where did you buy it? I'm looking into getting one of these things
GrayStuff
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 31, 2005 @ 6:24a
Ride it to work and plug in !
MysteryGuest
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 31, 2005 @ 6:49a
That's funny, I'm in the market for a nice scooter...
Motorcycle Permit $16 + waiting at the NYSTATE DMV Motorcycle Saftey course $350 Motorcycle License $10
$300 scooter from PB's, ha, I'll take my changes elsewhere
If you look at this scooter as a toy, it is very nice deal. $300 after rebate is a great price for a 48 volt 700 watt scooter. If you are going to commute, you probably want a gas powered scooter or a motorcycle IMO.
This is equivalent to only 6 tankfuls of gas in my car...nice to use for errands and save the gas and environmnet!
kenmarks
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Aug. 31, 2005 @ 10:15a
momotarosan said: now thisBIKEwould be the stand-in for gas scooters until the get fuel cell bikes on the market.
62mph top speed and 70 mile range...with regenerative braking. WOW. I want one of these ;~) With the price of gas predicted to shoot up again in the aftermath of Katrina, this would be the way to go so I don't have to pump so much of my limited resources into the tank of my Expedition... On another note, I hope rising fuel prices help fuel consumer demand for more choices from auto makers like hybrids, diesels built for economy (not just for power), etc.
kenmarks said: momotarosan said: now thisBIKEwould be the stand-in for gas scooters until the get fuel cell bikes on the market.
62mph top speed and 70 mile range...with regenerative braking. WOW. I want one of these ;~) With the price of gas predicted to shoot up again in the aftermath of Katrina, this would be the way to go so I don't have to pump so much of my limited resources into the tank of my Expedition... On another note, I hope rising fuel prices help fuel consumer demand for more choices from auto makers like hybrids, diesels built for economy (not just for power), etc.
Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours.
Incredibledealmaker said: This is equivalent to only 6 tankfuls of gas in my car...nice to use for errands and save the gas and environmnet!
Not to nitpick but yes on the gas no on the evironment, it still uses electricity which came from a power plant, 50% of the powerplants in the country run on coal which is not exactly environment friendly.
kenmarks
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Aug. 31, 2005 @ 10:25a
clearanceman said:
Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours. If diesel cars can't make it through currently, where do the Volkswagen TDI's come from? We have driven these for years. They are cheap to operate, have plenty of power, and the newer ones have low emissions (I don't know if they have them in California though as California is stricter).
CritterNYC
Happy Member
posted: Aug. 31, 2005 @ 10:31a
clearanceman said: Not to nitpick but yes on the gas no on the evironment, it still uses electricity which came from a power plant, 50% of the powerplants in the country run on coal which is not exactly environment friendly.
This is true... but the amount of contaminants produced to create that power produces less emissions than the amount used to power a gasoline powered vehicle the same distance. And, if you're so inclined, you can recharge it using solar power or a fuel cell at your home.
puneetbhargava said: puppyfriend said: A toy just because it's electric? Hardly. I've been riding electric scooters for years now. The good ones are definitely not toys. Some of them can out accelerate anything on the road up to about 60-70 MPH. My little scooter out runs many if not most cars until about 25 MPH. It's funny to hear them rev their engines trying to keep up. The cool scooter right now is from China. It has silicon batteries with something like 40 miles of range. I'm hopeful that the US can catch up someday.
Oh this scooter is 48 volts. The 12 volts is per battery.
Panterra are horrible scooters though.
Excuse any typos. I'm typing on a Treo.
Pimpee said: this is electric..at best this is a toy... don't take it on the road
Which one do you have? Where did you buy it? I'm looking into getting one of these things
which one? the Treo or a scooter?
dolfan64
Member
posted: Aug. 31, 2005 @ 10:46a
I bought one of these for fun and it runs fairly nice. It gets up over 20 mph, and I am a big guy of 300 + pds. Now I just have to see how long the rebate takes. It is street legal and I did have to get title and plates for it. I dought I will ride it on any busy streets, but cool to have and putt around the neighborhood on.
Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours. If diesel cars can't make it through currently, where do the Volkswagen TDI's come from? We have driven these for years. They are cheap to operate, have plenty of power, and the newer ones have low emissions (I don't know if they have them in California though as California is stricter).and I have to add; the comment about Europe is untrue also, Europe has been steadily improving their air quality over the last 20 years and they attribute much of the improvement to the increase in clean-diesel vehicle. Americans and the EPA are just pig-headed about diesels, mostly from the disasters that GM and Ford tried to push in the late 70's. VW (and others) have vehicle sold internationally that make the mileage of hybrids look pathetic (70+ MPG). VW had a engineering concept car (2-seat, front to back) that was the first car to successfully covered 100KM on one litre of diesel (basically 66 miles on a quart).
If the point about 2007 was true, somebody had better tell VW, they have several improved Diesels planned to be available for 2006 and Mercedes recently brought back a diesel engine.
I'm pondering one of these. Went into PepBoys to look at them. Pantera has indeed gone out of business. Parts in the future may be a problem (but are there many things to go wrong with an electric?? Maybe somebody who owns one can tell me).
They are cute. Look to be pretty good quality, but others in this forum have said no. The Freedom is pretty big. Has one break on the "floor" of the scooter. Other than that all three are the same basic innerds.
Salesguy says you would be lucky to get 29mph in one...more like 20.
Only has a 30 day warranty through a company called Baja Motorsports. They seem legit. Three service centers in Wichita for me, which is good.
Not sure...wish I could find a review or talk to somebody who has one of the electric. With gas going up up up, this is tempting.
rhk0327
Thrifty Member
posted: Aug. 31, 2005 @ 11:19a
Isn't battery technology pretty limited? Wont the maintenance on this thing be really expensive? My batteries on laptops and rc cars never last that long if used fairly regularly. Way less than a year. I doubt these batteries would last that long, are they cheap to replace?
I thought this is why all serious scooters are gas, not electric.
zooner
Addicted Member
posted: Aug. 31, 2005 @ 11:23a
This is for NYS:
B Moped TS btw. 20 & 30 mph, Engine under 50cc
License / Permit Required Any Class Insurance Required? Yes
Diesels can't pass our emissions standards after 2007 so there are very few on the market and there will probably be none after 2007. I'm sure trucks are exempt of course, but diesel cars can't make it through currently. They are all over Europe but their air standards are lower than ours. If diesel cars can't make it through currently, where do the Volkswagen TDI's come from? We have driven these for years. They are cheap to operate, have plenty of power, and the newer ones have low emissions (I don't know if they have them in California though as California is stricter).
After 2007, they can't pass either. There are very few diesels here because previously gas was cheap and there was little interest. But also, car makers know they can't even sell the diesel cars here after 2007 so what is the point in developing and marketing them here now?
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highnthemnts
Member
posted: May. 10, 2006 @ 10:25p
xstemcellx said: I remember a similar thread in FW a while ago for a Panterra 125 trail bike (gas).
I'd like to find this thread, but can't find it, can you help
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