J.C. Morris Laptop deal, is it a fraud?

Go to http://shop.store.yahoo.com/jcmorris/preorder.html,
the laptops are cheap, and you can get another 15% off. I am a little supicisous though. Because if only accept paypal payment. I think if I pay by credit card, it is possible to get money back when there is a fraud. With paypal, I don't know.
What do you guys think?

No way in hell would I buy something expensive from an outfit that can only manage to accept Paypal.

Furthermore, the objective is not to buy cheap stuff, but to buy good stuff cheap.

When it's too good to be true... it usually is...

Just like what rml stated, laptop prices drop fast. So just wait and hopefully the price would fall soon enough.

In order to get the 15% off, you have to pre-paid the whole purchase.

Who knows how long you have to wait. They are borrowing money from us without paying interests.

I placed an order, they immediately sent payment request to my paypal account, then I hesitated again. Who had experience in getting money back from paypal?
I mean, just in case...

From Paypal's Terms of Service]

Credit Card Transactions: The Buyer Protection Policy does not replace or reduce any other consumer rights Users may have, including chargeback rights that may be granted by a User's credit card issuer. PayPal is the merchant of record with respect to all credit card transactions through the PayPal service to purchase goods or services. As such, we afford customers the rights and privileges expected of a credit card transaction. You acknowledge that PayPal does not control the outcome of any chargeback decision initiated through a User's credit card issuer.

PayPal encourages all buyer purchase disputes to be filed and resolved through the PayPal dispute resolution process, and reserves the right to terminate or restrict account privileges of buyers who file chargeback complaints without attempting to resolve the complaints through PayPal. If a chargeback claim is initiated, whether as a result of a dispute or for any other reason, the parties agree to provide to any requesting party on a timely basis any and all necessary documentation to resolve any chargeback or dispute. PayPal DOES NOT act as the agent of either party in any transaction or resulting dispute, though PayPal does control the outcome of disputes initiated through the Service's dispute resolution process.

If you receive funds through a PayPal transaction funded with the sender's credit card, in the event the credit card transaction is charged back and you do not qualify for the Seller Protection Policy, you agree to hold PayPal harmless for the chargeback amount and to reimburse PayPal from either your PayPal account or by other means. Although PayPal will vigorously pursue debt collection of any amounts owed to it, PayPal will never make electronic transfers from your bank account without your explicit permission.

do let me know if this PM with Blue works.

thanks.

Any updates about this company? I'm tempted to buy, but don't want to get ripped off.

PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM "J C MORRIS"
I ordered a SONY VAIO NOTEBOOK PCG FX-290K in July.
The company offers additional discounts for advance payment so I paid them the full amount of this product via wire transfer. The delivery was scheduled after 30 Days.
I never got this product for the next 4 months ... I had to practically email/call them up daily. Finally, I got my money refunded only this month after my lawyer intervened.

PLEASE STAY AWAY!!!

I actually ordered a Sony FXA36 laptop from them. Their projected shipping date was 1 month 10 days from the date you place your order. The date finally arrived, and I called them to find out the status. They say that they don't have my order yet and they are going to place the order immediately with one of their distributors. By the way, I had to be on hold over the phone for about 1 hour to get in touch with a representative.

The representative also told me that he will take this issue to "J.C.Morris".

It should be in mail by next Tuesday. I'll keep you all posted as to how it goes.

-Flash.

You're actually very safe paying through paypal but ONLY if they never ship anything to you. The seller must show a shipping record to prove you got something, and paypal is very aggressive towards a seller in this manner. However, the actual contents of what you receive is something paypal does not care about. For example, paypal will do nothing if you are shipped an empty box.

I don't wanna upset anyone here but I have heard a few good comments about this company. There was a thread on fatwallet about this company (and their laptops) and although there were some people complaining there were also some people who were quite happy.

One thing I have noticed in general is that some -- but not all -- of the orders do not arrive on time. I think it has something to do with the way they run their business. It seems like they are able to offer these low prices because they keep almost no inventory and purchase in bulk whenever they recieve enough pre-orders. My guess is that if they don't get enough people pre-ordering a specific product then the people who have already placed an order for that product is going to have the order delayed. Otherwise these guys would be taking a loss to fulfill your orders. I know this is just speculation but if you think about it, it makes sense.

Once their business reaches a certain customer base I don't think they will have problems filling their quota of sales per item and thus no more delayed shipments. On the otherhand, with their past reputation of delays, I'm not sure if they'll ever accomplish this growth.

Anthony

I think these kinds of shops are really sucks people. I saw same kind of deal in one more website rajsoftware.com. They do sell the sony laptop and camcorders.

I ordered the camcorder through paypal. They were verified by pay pal. They were authorized sellers in eBay. I cheked about the usa warranty they confirmed it. I finally paid money on aug 21. Till date, I didnot received my camcorder ($525) nor my refund.

Please be careful.

For those of you who did do this.

I suggest the best way to handle the situation is to file a online PAYPAL fraud complaint against the companies account. I did this over the summer and the very next day I called them and they quickly reimbursed me my funds!!!

Dont waist your time talking with them on the phone. And for those who sent a check....Good Luck!!! I would have never sent a check through the mail for that much.

Hello, I ordered from JC several months ago, back before september. I called on the phone and asked for a price they had on their site but changed a day later, and they okayed it. I chose the Toshiba 2805-s603 with prepay for the 10% off. They gave me extra time to set my paypal account and remove restrictions. My experience with them so for felt like they were a real company.

A week before the shipdate (21 days later)I called to check the status. They said a week ago they had got a 2 week delay, (something because of water moisture in the packaging), so that would be only one extra week, not bad. I actually got a call at work a week later from them saying their supplier has put it on backorder. She proposed another supplier that would take another 21 days. I agreed and they took 5% off which came to $73 that they'ed send as a check with the order.

During the next couple days they changed the 10% to 15% on their store and I missed out on the first time buyer stuff. Then Toshiba released a whole new line of laptops. The s504 looked very nice over the older s603 except for battery life. The s504 is also $200 less than what the s603 started out as, but to cancel my order with JC was not worth the extra 600 or so I'd pay in difference for the new one anywhere else.

About 12 or so days later I was so excited that JC added the s504 to their site. I called the very next day and had them switch my order to the s504, it was a little bit more, but the $73 I was getting back went down to $5. So then the 21 day countdown started again, but I was happy.

On the shipping date I checked my e-mail to get their number and call, but I saw a new letter from them. I hoped it it would say they shipped it, but this laptop got put on backorder too, for a total of 27 days this time. This time I communicated through e-mail and I asked a lot of stuff. I was offered $100 off or a full refund. I accepted.

Then came that problem, it takes so long to get the laptop that the prices start to drop. My total right now is 1299 with shipping and then there's the 100 mfr. rebate. At Compusa the start price is 2000 (2100 at first release) a $100 instat compusa rebate, $100 compusa mail-in rebate, and the $100 mfr rebate. Paying tax at 1900 is like 140, so after all rebates the total is something like 1840, my final total at JC would be 1200.

I was willing to wait the 27 days (Dec 12) and this time instead of planning to send a check they sent me $101.xx something to my PayPal account which is nice.

In their last major website change, they removed the model I ordered. I called a day before estimated ship date. Guess what, now they say they are having difficulty with this model and don't know when they will have it. They offered me the chance to change it to a similar model that they have in stock and could be send out in the middle of next week. They offered the 3000-s304 which has a 20gig instead of 30, 256ram instead of 512, 14.1inch instead of 15 and not the same design. At least it has the geforce 2 go still (although 166mhz DDR, not 183mhz), and a mobile 1gig so the laptop last 3.5hr (100mhz less though) instead of 1.75hrs which is good. Weighs 2 lbs lighter and has two modular bays.

I said I will call them back tomorrow and decide. I'm going to see how much of a disccount they will give me now and seeing how that model cost 350 less than the s504 I hope to get compensated. I almost really want to get a refund and pay the extra at Compusa but they're s504 are sold out, even the display model and at their website. If I go with the s304 model, the money I save could get me a 30gig modular bay from toshiba. Although there're only two bays, one fore the battery and one for the cdr/dvd drive, I could remove one when I don't need something, but I hope it's plug and play.

I think I'm supposed to have 15%+5%+10% and they better give me more now and switch the 15% to the new 20% It would be nice if I could get 40% off on anything they have, that would put the GR290 Vaio in range, it has a 40gig and a 15inch Super XGA, but only has a radeon with it, so I might skip it. I also know there will be geforce3 GOs on the horizon, but I can't start all over with JC when ever they get it them.

On this foroum or another, someone said their order could not be completed and they offered the comparable model s504, I bet he's pist that this one can't be completed either. I ordered mine right when they put it on, so no one who ordered it probably got theirs.

I have to call JC from California, so they close around 12 or 1pm at my time, I'll call them in the morning and post what I did.


One last thing, people who had purchased from them or on order were told about the special deal they had a while back. They offered 5 items at cost with no other discount and would donate 25% of the purchase. They had the gr290 Vaio for 2100, its price at sony is 3600. Once the 5 item special ended, the gr290 went to the regular section and is 2600 something. That is still a great deal, but if their cost is 2100, then they are making somekind of a profit on these crazy prices.

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_shop-cat-ext&loc=17392
This shows a list of top stores ranked by volume for computers. That GPS Computer Services comes up with 1000+ verified buyers and JC is second with 363-373 buyers.

I'll let you know what happens. Anyone else order the s504? What do you think I should do? If they don't get the laptop to me next week this time, I will ask for a refund. Or at least check on the anything else they promise they can get in-stock. I also plan to ask how soon they could get that compaq tower and monitor. I have two people who would get this, but if they lose me as a customer, they will lose them too. I wish I could ask them to send me extra money back with my refund to cover the cost of purchasing it elsewhere , that would be cool.

Sorry I typed so much, I just wanted to get everything out. Oh, this is funny. I caught someone selling information to a site with greatlaptop prices at $5 dollars each in a dutch eBay auction. This person mentioned some of the prices with the regular, sale price, and 15% discount which all matched JC. He had five bids and a previous auction that ended with 25 bidders. I notified JC, they said they knew of this but I gave them more information, like the seller name, previous auction numbers and current. They said thankyou and when I checked back I couldn't find any trace of the auctions on the guys name a week later.

Thanks for reading

Well, I just received my camcorder I ordered from J.C. Morris!
I was starting to worry a little bit since I was seeing the same
pattern of behavior that was described here. I ordered it mid-November
and they said it might take 45 business days to get it. It did not
make it by Christmas, but they sent me $107.xx refund for missing
Christmas. At that time they told me they would ship it on 1/10.
They ended up shipping it on 1/11 but bumped it up to overnight
with Saturday delivery. Overall I am pleased. I saved over $900
off what it would have costs me to purchase it locally and at
least $400 off what it would have costs to get it else where
online.

I just wanted to relate an actual completed sale via this company.
BTW, I did check them out as well. They've only ever had one complaint
filed against them with the BBB in Atlanta. It was resolved. Every
other place I have read reports about them echos the same thing,
if you want it fast, buy it somewhere else. If you want it cheap,
get it there. I think the only thing is you have to be willing to
wait for it. Of course I know that after waiting that long, you may
end up having to buy it somewhere else anyway, but when I am talking
about $400-$900, I can wait.

-MicronDeath

PS - The camcorder I bought was the Sony DCR-TRV900, it's pretty sweet.

How long did you end up waiting for you laptop to arrive?
I ordered a gr250 in december. They said it would be shipped on 1/10,and then I got a message that it would be delayed till 2/10. However, they said they would refund me my shipping and give me 3% off. That was 2.5 weeks ago. I still haven't received my refund. Their excuse was that their accounting office was shut down due to inclement weather. But it sounds to me like JC morris is legit?

I ended up waiting about 2 weeks after the "EST" as they refer to it. They where more than happy to reimburse me the shipping charges for the delay. They never said anything about a 3% discount. Though. How many companies do more than just say, "It didn't come in, sorry". I mean at first I was kinda skeptical as to if this was a scam just cause of the price. Thinking maybe these where used or something but when I got my computer and it had the factory tamper evident label on it so. Pnik I guess it is just harder to get your computer, man sorry. It seems they are turning out goods and keeping people happy…..a few bad apples…

-Emily

I don't have any experience with this company at all, but after hearing all these stories about delays, I find the header on their hopepage particularly ironic.

Leaders get there first - especially in today's environment

Hi Praveen,

did you receive your order from J.C. Morris & Company
and if after how long did they send it to you?

Thank you for a short note on that.

Regards
Erhart
in Zurich Switzerland

Hey DP - Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication to putting the bastard behind bars. I did not get my laptop , but I did gain Fatwallet

I never heard of this site until I ran accross this thread. The laptop cost me about $1300, but that Fatwallet deals have cost me close to $15000 and counting.