nvm...

Socrilles said:For every1 saying that the HP will give superior battery life what are you basing this on?????, I've had an A64 laptop, my friend has a sempron laptop and another friend has another A64 laptop. On top of this I have a turion laptop. Even with a bigger battery none of these laptops have given very long battery life with the turion being the best, all the others lasted 1 to 1.5 hrs. Just because the sempron computer has a bigger battery does not mean it will have better battery life..........

and yes the celeron will outperform the sempron easily in around 90% of apps, and if you are willing to mod the laptop you will have a 2 ghz celeron.

But really I would just like some1 to post a real users experience with battery life and a similar HP sempron model.

The HP laptop will definitly have better battery life. Its got double the mAh rating of the Toshibas.

Toshibas 4 cell - 2000mAh
HP 6 cell - 4000mAh???

But who knows if this specific HP laptop will have a full 6-cell 4000mAh battery? there is no record of a "wm" model on the HP website. No one knows for sure what battery will be in the WalMart laptop.

time to make Ultamite Onion Chutney extra Spicy with Indian Curry!

Thanks Onion for all the details. For the AOL sign up, any details of early termination fee. In some cases, you can break the contract without any penalty. Long long time ago, Emachine and MSN sign up combo was like that.

hameshatumkochaha said:maasenstodt, orian, technies and others, please help:
I have a laptop w/ Celeron (NO M) 1.5GHz, 512MB RAM 14.1" 3 years old. New deals are 1.7GHz Celeron M and 512RAM. Will it make much difference in performance? My friend has Celeron (again NO M) 2.8GHz 2 years old and is surely faster as the clock speed is more. I am trying to find how to compare Ms with XGHz to non-Ms at YGHz. Please help!
(M: Mobile)
Thanks in advance,

What you and your friend have are Celerons based on the P4 northwood core.

Celeron M CPU are night and day different. Its a completely different CPU archetecture and you can not compare them clock for clock.

A Celeron M 1.5ghz will smoke your friends 2.8ghz northwood cored Celeron. Hard to believe but its true. Not only are the celeron Ms so much more efficent in performance they, they only consume 1/3rd the power of the old celerons. 21 watts ve your frinds 60+ watt celeron. In reality your friends 2.8ghz celeron is a desktop CPU. Again hard to believe but true. Remember the Toshiba celeron 2.8ghz laptop fiasco?

Has anybody been able to find out yet, for sure, whether the CC deal can be done with the cheap AOL?

The CC ad first page shows Web only Specials Thankgiving Day @ CircuitCity.com
Does it mean those items on first page are online only, not for in store ????
The scan resloution is pretty low, I can't see detail for those small fonts.
Does anyone have a better scan or an original ad ?

lol... if you guys need a site to test your benchmark... please go to tomshardware. There you will see real benchmark stuff. also onion, to tell you the truth... you will have not given any back for your thoughts. also, you do loose performance if you go from M to celeron m. here is what i found on pcworld
The Celeron M is quite an important processor as it's compatible with a variety of Intel's new and old notebook chipsets (915 Express, 910GML, 855x, 852x). This means you can still think about getting the latest notebook sizes and styles and save money by opting for this over a Pentium M processor. Just remember that you do lose a bit of performance (Celeron M processors have 1MB of level 2 cache - half that of Pentium Ms. Celeron M processors all have a 400MHz FSB and range from the 1.2GHz Celeron M processor 310 to the 1.5GHz Celeron M processor 370. As is the case with the Pentium M processor, there are also Ultra-Low Voltage versions available including the Intel Celeron M processor Ultra Low Voltage 383 which runs at 1GHz.


maasenstodt said:I have to be brief, but hopefully this response will suffice for now...

onion said:1. The Sempron is NOT superior. Go do some benchmarks and read some tech articles and come back. Benchmarks dont lie!
The best benchmarks I can quickly provide are a couple of articles at anandtech here and here. I admit that they're imperfect and require some comparisons on the part of the reader, so I'll try to dig up better benchmarks later. Perhaps you could provide some links of your own in the meanwhile.

2. Todays Celeron M and Pentium M CPUs use the EXACT same Dothan core. In the final stages of manufacturing intel disables 1/2 the L2 cache and speed step. The circuitry is there it’s just disabled and they're not just "Old 1mb variants of Penium Ms" as you claim. (did you make that up yourself? lol) Due to the improved Dothan core todays Celeron M cpus are FASTER then the old Banias 1mb Pentium Ms.
You are mistaken about me making any claims regarding what the Celeron Ms are or aren't. You ask if I made that up, when in fact I have to ask how you came up with that quote. More to the point, I fully recognize the Celeron being a cut down version of the Dothan. You did forget to mention the lower FSB vs. the Pentium M version, however.

3. The one who posted that thread at notebookreview.com is WRONG. Why? He thinks reality is what he believes it is and Ill prove him wrong right now. Look at the performance review he gives the Celeron M and Pentium M. What he doesn’t know is that the performance of the Celeron M and Pentium M is nearly IDENTICAL because both chips use the EXACT same core. The Celeron M simply has 1/2 the L2 cache disable which does NOT affect performance because you still have a whopping 1mb! Yes, I have done plenty of my own benchmarks with Celeron M and Pentium M laptops. I have owned quite a few of them. There‘re benchmarks online that will prove this as well. I find it laughable how you came to a conclusion of how a sempron laptop is faster than a celeron M unit by "spending some time with it" Seems pretty clear you've never spent time with any of them. Like I said, Go look at some benchmarks before posting false info.
Again, you fail to recognize that the Celeron M also has a slower front side bus than the Pentium M. Furthermore, arguing that disabling 1/2 of a CPUs cache doesn't affect performance is silly.

4. Another example of your inexperience and lack of knowledge in this subject is when you claim Celeron M CPUs run hot? This clearly shows you have NEVER used a laptop equipped with one. They do not run hot. The CPU coolers inside are TINY and fans rarely turn on because they simply run cool even without speedstep! At max load they only dissipate 21 watts which is NOTHING for a CPU! The mobile Sempron uses 24 watts at max load! 4 watts MORE than the celeron M. Where do you get your info from??? Do you just make up these ideas on your own or something? Come on now, reality check time....
My comments about the Celeron M and heat were intended to be directed at the idea of overclocking them. If I suggested that at stock speeds they'll melt or somesuch, I misspoke and apologise. Nevertheless, the biggest difference between the Sempron and Celeron here is that the Sempron can dial down its clock when not stressed (which is likely to be most of the time), a feature taken out of the Celeron. That means that the Sempron is less likely to dissipate its max watts, and hence run cooler in many situations.

5. 99.999% of people are not going to be taking apart their laptop to upgrade the CPU and hard drive. LOL!

The WalMart laptop is a great deal and as I said before some may prefer it over the Circuit City model and the sempron is a great CPU as well, just dont crap on an equaly as good CPU which the Cleron M is. The TruBrite screen, larger slightly faster hard drve, double the RAM, and the chance to get it for $380 makes the CC laptop IMO a better overall deal despite the lower capacity battery. Like I said, some people may (along with me) may find that the WalMart laptop looks better and that maybe enough for them to decided to get the HP. Or they may be AMD fanboys like yourself but as far as what you get for your money the CC laptop wins. Even more so if the $15/month AOL deal goes through which I think will.

I can go on and on but, well, Im hungry, im going to get something to eat...
Name calling aside, I think if you read my previous posts, you'll find that I made it quite clear that I too think the Circuit City notebook is a better bet more many people, citing the same reasons that you give. I'm not as optimistic as you about the AOL deal's chances (and am not a big fan of AOL's value to begin with), but that's conjecture at this point as I see it.

I'm not going to get into a fight here, and I'm most certainly not an AMD stooge, but if the snide comments can be kept out of it, I'd be happy to continue to discuss this.

toms also say that celeron does not have battery save option!! like pentium M has. also, sempron has battery save option... also, check out anand's forum. Many people are happy with AMD and Celeron. So, I guess nobody can argue on lappy btw semp and cel. but, I do believe that AMD rocks on desktop!!! AMD kicks intels butt in desktop!!! if you want to argue on desktop.. i am on for it.. lol.. I myself have does some bench test on 7 of my machines that i have build!!! but anyhow, if anybody wants to argue on lappy.. i am not good in lappy.. bec, have not heard good or bad abt amd on lappy.

onion said:raajaji said:lol... if you guys need a site to test your benchmark... please go to tomshardware. There you will see real benchmark stuff. also onion, to tell you the truth... you will have not given any back for your thoughts. also, you do loose performance if you go from M to celeron m. here is what i found on pcworld
The Celeron M is quite an important processor as it's compatible with a variety of Intel's new and old notebook chipsets (915 Express, 910GML, 855x, 852x). This means you can still think about getting the latest notebook sizes and styles and save money by opting for this over a Pentium M processor. Just remember that you do lose a bit of performance (Celeron M processors have 1MB of level 2 cache - half that of Pentium Ms. Celeron M processors all have a 400MHz FSB and range from the 1.2GHz Celeron M processor 310 to the 1.5GHz Celeron M processor 370. As is the case with the Pentium M processor, there are also Ultra-Low Voltage versions available including the Intel Celeron M processor Ultra Low Voltage 383 which runs at 1GHz.

When is everyone going to learn that PC World is a marketing company. They know nothing about technology. You said it yourself...go onto tomshardware and see the banchmarks..well here you have it in plain indisputable proof.

Pentium M vs Celeron M

Same link as in my previous post. Read the reviews and look at the benchmark yourself instead of what PC World "thinks". Like I said PC World is a marketing company and knows NOTHING about technology! When will everyone learn this?

raajaji said:toms also say that celeron does not have battery save option!! like pentium M has.


Well who dosnt know that??? Im just correcting PC World when they state that "due to 1/2 the L2 cache you will have a lower performance"....which is BS because PC World knows nothing about technology since they're a marketing company and nothing more.