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I have decided on buying a man-made diamond engagement ring for my girlfriend. Does anyone have any experiences with the following sites? I looked through the previous threads and only one person commented on the sites below. I would like more experiences before I make a purchase.

http://diamondnexuslabs.com/

http://shopping.carat.cc/cgi-bin/carat/our_latest_print_ad.html

What do you think of:

http://diamondnexuslabs.com/jewelry/product_info.php?cPath=63_98&products_id=673

I plan on getting the 2.04 carat with the band for $535. Does anyone think this rock will be to big? Maybe I should get the 1.67 carat one?

Note: I have spoken with my girlfriend and she agrees that it would be best to get a man-made diamond. I am interested in how legit the above sites are.

Thanks

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i've decided to go the same route as you. i've settled on a company but they haven't introduced their product retail yet. the resulting diamonds are so indistinguishable that debeers sued them to try and hault production.

Apollo Diamond

this is an email i got back from them about a month and a half ago:



Thank you for your interest in Apollo Diamond, Inc. And thank you for
your enthusiastic support in introducing the Apollo Created Diamond.

We have received a tremendous amount of attention around our Apollo
Created Diamond and we apologize that we are unable to personally respond
to each inquiry.

Although the Apollo process is very new, it promises to provide 100%
real diamonds that are grown rather than mined.

The Apollo Created Diamond will enter the market over the next few
months in small quantities. We are currently working with a number of
distributors and retailers and we encourage you to visit our website
frequently for the latest news and information on how to purchase Apollo
Created Diamonds.

We will be happy to email you as soon as possible with information on
availability and where to purchase Apollo Created Diamonds.

Thank you again for your interest in Apollo Diamond, Inc. We look
forward to the great, new possibilities that our grown diamonds will bring
to the world.



Sincerely,

Bryant R. Linares
President & CEO
Apollo Diamond, Inc.

Thats awesome price for awesome ring. Make sure your girl wont run to jeweler the next day to find out the rock is cubic z...
Debeers is full of mafia trying to halt any competitors.. They r running a monopoly there, fixing the price really high and killing anyone who gets in their way or tries to sell cheaper/sell man made diamonds....


HC5831 said: [Q]I have decided on buying a man-made diamond engagement ring for my girlfriend. Does anyone have any experiences with the following sites? I looked through the previous threads and only one person commented on the sites below. I would like more experiences before I make a purchase.

http://diamondnexuslabs.com/

http://shopping.carat.cc/cgi-bin/carat/our_latest_print_ad.html

What do you think of:

http://diamondnexuslabs.com/jewelry/product_info.php?cPath=63_98&products_id=673

I plan on getting the 2.04 carat with the band for $535. Does anyone think this rock will be to big? Maybe I should get the 1.67 carat one?

Note: I have spoken with my girlfriend and she agrees that it would be best to get a man-made diamond. I am interested in how legit the above sites are.

Thanks

HC5831 said: [Q]
http://diamondnexuslabs.com/

http://shopping.carat.cc/cgi-bin/carat/our_latest_print_ad.html


These two places you list sell diamond simulants, and are not real diamond. Whereas, Gemesis, Apollo, and Chatham are man-made real diamonds.

I'm personally looking at Chatham, since they offer pink and blue real diamonds.

DubSlick said: [Q]HC5831 said: [Q]
http://diamondnexuslabs.com/

http://shopping.carat.cc/cgi-bin/carat/our_latest_print_ad.html


These two places you list sell diamond simulants, and are not real diamond. Whereas, Gemesis, Apollo, and Chatham are man-made real diamonds.

I'm personally looking at Chatham, since they offer pink and blue real diamonds.

Um...I believe diamond simulants ARE man made real diamonds as you say. Excerpt from Diamond Nexus Labs home page:

[Q]
Diamond Nexus Labs gemstones are the most perfect man-made diamonds ever created.

Diamond Nexus Labs synthetic diamonds cut glass, they refract light into perfect “hearts and arrows”, and they have superlative fire and brilliance. They closely match the composition of extremely expensive “flawless” mined diamonds as their clarity and color are perfect on their respective scales. In almost all measurable tests, our lab created, man made diamonds match or are superior to natural diamonds.

In fact, Diamond Nexus Labs is so close to natural diamond that most gemologists require scientific testing equipment to tell the difference. Yet, for all their glittering beauty, Diamond Nexus Labs gemstones cost a fraction of what mined diamonds do, allowing you to own magnificent fine jewelry at a fair and realistic price.

synnyster said: [Q]
Um...I believe diamond simulants ARE man made real diamonds as you say. Excerpt from Diamond Nexus Labs home page:


Um...no.

Nexus sells simulants which 'simulate' diamond, like cubic zirconia. From Diamond Nexus Lab's information page:
"Diamond Nexus diamond simulants are created in a lab by technicians at a reasonably low cost..."


Simulants are different from synthetic or man-made diamonds
From Wikipedia: "Simulants are distinct from synthetic diamond, which unlike simulants have material properties identical to those of natural diamond."

As you can see, simulants do not have the same physical properties of real diamond as Nexus shows:
Diamond Nexus vs. Natural
If it were a real diamond, it would have the same hardness of 10.

Whereas a real man-made diamond is a diamond:
Chatham Man-Made Diamond comparison chart



synnyster said: [Q]Um...I believe diamond simulants ARE man made real diamonds as you say. Excerpt from Diamond Nexus Labs home page:


http://www.diamondnexuslabs.com/jewelry/Information/Chart_comparison.htm

These are not real man-made diamonds structurally. I'm not even sure they are 100% carbon.

Note:
Hardness
Cuts Glass (8.5)
Cuts Glass (10)

Fire/Dispersion
Superlative (0.060)
Excellent (0.044)

Brilliance
Superlative (2.20)
Superlative (2.40)

These differences set these simulants apart from real diamonds. I believe Apollo and Chantham are producing diamonds that have the same chemical structure as diamonds (same hardness, fire, and brilliance) however are distinguishable from real diamonds in that they do not have birthmarks (or imperfections.)

Funny, how man-made diamonds are distinguishable from real diamonds in that they are missing the telltale signs of actual aged striations that naturally occur in diamonds that are produced via natural processes.

BTW, last time I heard (on an episode of 20/20) Apollo man-made diamonds are currently more expensive to produced that mined diamonds... however they think they can get to around 80% of the price. Of course, Apollo diamonds are flawless which increase the market price.

I think its still going to be a while before we actually see man-made real diamonds that cost 10% of the real thing.

I stand corrected then.

Thanks for pointing this out. I was confused, and I didn't realise they were knock offs also. The man-made ones at Chatham are still way too much. I'm going to look into emeralds, rubies and the like now.

DubSlick said: [Q]HC5831 said: [Q]
http://diamondnexuslabs.com/

http://shopping.carat.cc/cgi-bin/carat/our_latest_print_ad.html


These two places you list sell diamond simulants, and are not real diamond. Whereas, Gemesis, Apollo, and Chatham are man-made real diamonds.

I'm personally looking at Chatham, since they offer pink and blue real diamonds.

HC5831 said: [Q]Thanks for pointing this out. I was confused, and I didn't realise they were knock offs also. The man-made ones at Chatham are still way too much. I'm going to look into emeralds, rubies and the like now.


The prices quoted at Chatham's site are a bit old. Here is one online retailer selling Chatham and Gemesis diamonds:

Diamonds Cultured

i dont know about the real and fake and quality factors, but i noticed no one had commented on your size question. holding those two sizes side-by-side you will notice a difference, but alone you will believe they are the same size. most girls round thier diamond sizes too. if you had a .65 you would probably round it to a 1 (yes its closer to a half, but never round down haha!). so if it saves you some money that you could use for the wedding or honeymoon, go with the smaller one. those sizes arent that big a difference anyway, she wont know unless you tell her, and you wont be able to tell the difference once you leave the store. (or recieve it in the mail) and yes those are both very nice sized diamonds. imo, the closer you get to a 2 carot, the more suspicious people get that its fake. the biggest diamond ive seen in a ring actually worn by a normal person was on the finger of the lady that sold me my engagement ring, slightly over 2.5 carots, and if id not been in a jewelry store, i would have thought it was a cocktail ring, with a fake stone. good luck and congrats!

Hi...

What happens when you go to get this appraised for insurance purposes? You wife to be will definately know at that point. Now, if she is fine with this type of diamond, then all is good. What if she is not though? Have you talked to her about it? I would be fine with it, but I know many women who would loose their minds about such a thing, no matter how good it looked.

Hope I don't attract too much negative, just bringing up something for you to consider.

Thanks.

Also check out Moissanite.

My fiance's ring is moissanite, stone is about 2 ct I believe. Anyhow, she gets soooo many compliments on it. She knows it's Moissanite too.

I'd be happy to pay for a real rare gem, but diamonds are not rare. Why add a 0 to the price of the ring just to pay debeers their premium?


HC5831 said: [Q]I have decided on buying a man-made diamond engagement ring for my girlfriend. Does anyone have any experiences with the following sites? I looked through the previous threads and only one person commented on the sites below. I would like more experiences before I make a purchase.

--cut stuff out--

Thanks

I agree with the others, except that I'll go ahead and say it: I think Diamond Nexus Labs is deceptive and shady at best. Based on the physical properties of Hardness, Fire/Dispersion, and Brilliance, I'm nearly certain they're selling Cubic Zirconium, and awfully pricy CZ at that. It's extremely improbable that they've found some material that looks just like CZ, performs exactly like CZ on every physical and optical test, yet isn't CZ.

If CZ is OK with her, then go for it. You'll save a house payment or two, or perhaps a down payment on a car. But find someone else to buy from! Diamond Nexus Labs isn't very upfront about identifying exactly what they're selling, that's for sure!

I also agree that Moissanite is well worth checking out, if she's willing to consider alternative jewelry. It's gorgeous stuff, and extremely durable. The Wikipedia entry has some good information. A good first browse at JCPenney is a good idea, so she can see it in person.


If you're looking for a high quality dimond replacement look into moissanite. Me and my fiancee think it looks better than diamond. And it's a real gemstone.

http://www.moissanite.com/index.cfm

I once ordered the 2 carat Moissanite. Once we got it, we went to a high-end jewerly store to compare it in person with a high quality 2 carat diamond. The moissanite was good/very good, but it didn't compare to the real diamond, which was stunning. Now, with that said, if I wasn't sitting there comparing everything in detail, but the Moissanite was on my fiance's hand, in normal light, outside of a Jewerly store, it would of looked great.

p.s. - When we first showed it to the Jeweler, she looked at it funny and within 2 minutes asked if it was a real diamond and if it was perhaps Moissanite? She used a scope to test it out.

Just to add to the info...
I was shopping around at Apollo sometime last year and got the same email saying "We aren't selling yet but will be soon... we'll let ya know!"

Well just got an email last month saying they are opening up their LIMITED supply to a very SMALL number of people who have already expressed interest. So I don't know what your timeframe is... but it seems like they are getting closer to primetime.

I did respond to the email saying I'd like to have a look at their inventory... no response yet. Probably got overwhelmed I imagine. Maybe next year?

I was waiting for Apollo too, but they're taking too long. That's why I'll probably go the Chatham route

Thanks for all the replies. I decided against the simulant route, as I have a problem with it being a fake diamond. If I am not willing to buy a real diamond, I should go with something else.

So we decided to go with a topaz engagement ring with 18 tiny diamonds around the ring. The stone is 1 ct and was only $50, and the ring was $450. We felt that a real stone without the inflated price would be best for us. She loves the ring and I am happy with the purchase.

Thanks again for all the advice. As for the size, we looked at 2 ct and 1.5 ct and they were huge on her hand. The 1 ct was a good fit. Good luck to the rest of you.


I did get one of these so called diamonds from diamond nexus. They aren't even close to being a diamond. They are CZ straight up. Fortunately, they have a good return policy so I returned it.

also check out eBay

yeah i know what you're thinking but that's where i got my fiancee's ring

the guy i got it from sent me the ring without me paying a dime, i took it to the jewelery store and had them check it to make sure it was what he said it was then i purchased it

i got a .96 G color SI2 for i think $1150.

i dont know about the real and fake and quality factors, but i noticed no one had commented on your size question. holding those two sizes side-by-side you will notice a difference, but alone you will believe they are the same size. most girls round thier diamond sizes too. if you had a .65 you would probably round it to a 1 (yes its closer to a half, but never round down haha!). so if it saves you some money that you could use for the wedding or honeymoon, go with the smaller one. those sizes arent that big a difference anyway, she wont know unless you tell her, and you wont be able to tell the difference once you leave the store. (or recieve it in the mail) and yes those are both very nice sized diamonds. imo, the closer you get to a 2 carot, the more suspicious people get that its fake. the biggest diamond ive seen in a ring actually worn by a normal person was on the finger of the lady that sold me my engagement ring, slightly over 2.5 carots, and if id not been in a jewelry store, i would have thought it was a cocktail ring, with a fake stone. good luck and congrats!

Wow! never heard of that one before. Actually, a .65 doesn't round to 1 carat. There is a big difference in size. There are price point for real diamond and people save money by getting something close to a (.5, .75, 1, 1.25...) those are easy number. A .65 doesn't pass as a 1 carat on it's best day. While you may not be able to tell the difference once you leave the store (or receive it in the mail). I hope you are not around when she show it to her friend with an actual 1 carat.

DubSlick said: [Q]Simulants are different from synthetic or man-made diamonds
From Wikipedia: "Simulants are...Nobody knows what simulants are because simulant is a made up word. It sounds close to "simulation" which is a real word - it means imitation. If you want a real diamond then buy a diamond. If you want a real definition get a dictionary or an encylopedia.

Wikipedia is a simulant.

So can an appraiser tell he difference or not on these? If they can't then wouldn't this be like the biggest money making idea ever?

Buy it insure it for 10k and then ooops lose it? I mean don't take me seriously b/c I would never do that but I am sure someone will..

Can they tell? What would these get appraised at

ZiGSoft said: [Q]
BTW, last time I heard (on an episode of 20/20) Apollo man-made diamonds are currently more expensive to produced that mined diamonds... however they think they can get to around 80% of the price. Of course, Apollo diamonds are flawless which increase the market price.

I think its still going to be a while before we actually see man-made real diamonds that cost 10% of the real thing.

Okay... but mined diamonds cost what, 10% of their retail price to produce? So even if man-made diamonds cost the same to produce, just the fact that they're not owned by DeBeers means diamond prices will plummet.

www.pricescope.com

the forums on that site have some great conversations about natural, synthetic and diamond simulants. I did a LOT of reading on that site and participated a lot when I bought my wife her engagement ring, there's a wealth of information. Synthetics was something I only heard mentioned a couple times back then. My advice would be to be 100% comfortable with the purchase you're making in the end. I'm very happy with her ring to this day.

vkl168 said: [Q] i dont know about the real and fake and quality factors, but i noticed no one had commented on your size question. holding those two sizes side-by-side you will notice a difference, but alone you will believe they are the same size. most girls round thier diamond sizes too. if you had a .65 you would probably round it to a 1 (yes its closer to a half, but never round down haha!). so if it saves you some money that you could use for the wedding or honeymoon, go with the smaller one. those sizes arent that big a difference anyway, she wont know unless you tell her, and you wont be able to tell the difference once you leave the store. (or recieve it in the mail) and yes those are both very nice sized diamonds. imo, the closer you get to a 2 carot, the more suspicious people get that its fake. the biggest diamond ive seen in a ring actually worn by a normal person was on the finger of the lady that sold me my engagement ring, slightly over 2.5 carots, and if id not been in a jewelry store, i would have thought it was a cocktail ring, with a fake stone. good luck and congrats!

Wow! never heard of that one before. Actually, a .65 doesn't round to 1 carat. There is a big difference in size. There are price point for real diamond and people save money by getting something close to a (.5, .75, 1, 1.25...) those are easy number. A .65 doesn't pass as a 1 carat on it's best day. While you may not be able to tell the difference once you leave the store (or receive it in the mail). I hope you are not around when she show it to her friend with an actual 1 carat.

actually there are ways to make diamonds look bigger. carot is the WEIGHT, not the size, though obviously the more it weighs, the bigger it will tend to be. a one carot ring can look much bigger than a one carot, depending on the cut. imagine a diamond from the side, like a triangle... (or a diamond shape haha) the line that makes the top of the diamond can be longer or shorter, resulting in sort of a taller or shorter diamond. since the top is what you would compare, unless you carry a tiny diamond scale around to weigh it, you would think the shorter diamond with a bigger top part is actually a larger carot. i forget all the terms for this stuff, its been a while since i did all my diamond research and got my ring. but here is a very simple picture of what im talking about. look at the shallow, etc diagram.

http://www.BlueNile.com/diamond_cut.asp
link

actually there are ways to make diamonds look bigger. carot is the WEIGHT, not the size, though obviously the more it weighs, the bigger it will tend to be. a one carot ring can look much bigger than a one carot, depending on the cut. imagine a diamond from the side, like a triangle... (or a diamond shape haha) the line that makes the top of the diamond can be longer or shorter, resulting in sort of a taller or shorter diamond. since the top is what you would compare, unless you carry a tiny diamond scale around to weigh it, you would think the shorter diamond with a bigger top part is actually a larger carot. i forget all the terms for this stuff, its been a while since i did all my diamond research and got my ring. but here is a very simple picture of what im talking about. look at the shallow, etc diagram.

So you are recommending that one should get a .65 carat shallow cut diamond to make it appear as big as a ideal cut 1 carat diamond. Talk about wasting money! Just my opinion but if you are going to spend the money on a real diamond, cut should be the most important factor!

I actually like OP's choice. If he/she has buyer's remorse in a year or two they can always reset the ring with a diamond of her choice... hopefully OP will have more money then, or they will have come up with the good manmade diamonds by then. If she loves the setting then it's not a bad way to go.

Thanks! She absolutly loves the ring, as does all her friends. I feel very comfortable with the choice and am glad we went with it.

LiquidSapphire said: [Q]I actually like OP's choice. If he/she has buyer's remorse in a year or two they can always reset the ring with a diamond of her choice... hopefully OP will have more money then, or they will have come up with the good manmade diamonds by then. If she loves the setting then it's not a bad way to go.

DubSlick said: [Q]I was waiting for Apollo too, but they're taking too long. That's why I'll probably go the Chatham route

same here...i'm in the exact same boat. have waited on apollo for a year, and i can't wait any longer. i am going the chatham/gemesis route, and am currently looking at diamondscultured.com

Well, the Chatham's aren't being made in sizes large enough for a solitare, so I decided to go with a three ring stone. 2 blue Chatham's and a colorless Canadian diamond, similar to the ring they have at diamondscultured.com

mblock66 said: [Q]So can an appraiser tell he difference or not on these? If they can't then wouldn't this be like the biggest money making idea ever?

Buy it insure it for 10k and then ooops lose it? I mean don't take me seriously b/c I would never do that but I am sure someone will..

Can they tell? What would these get appraised at

The man-mades I've read about are perfect or closer to perfect than any natural diamond can be with respect to molecular composition, etc. Oddly enough, that's about the only way to tell the difference.


So they would be appraised at like a rediculous level? I don't understand why everyone doesn't do this then. Buy a $1000 ring and get it appraised for 18,000 FTW

snarler said: [Q]mblock66 said: [Q]So can an appraiser tell he difference or not on these? If they can't then wouldn't this be like the biggest money making idea ever?

Buy it insure it for 10k and then ooops lose it? I mean don't take me seriously b/c I would never do that but I am sure someone will..

Can they tell? What would these get appraised at

The man-mades I've read about are perfect or closer to perfect than any natural diamond can be with respect to molecular composition, etc. Oddly enough, that's about the only way to tell the difference.

that is true

but these synthetic manufacturers are seeking transparency in their production, so they are actually laser inscribing a serial number in each diamond to show that it's a synthetic


snarler said: [Q]
The man-mades I've read about are perfect or closer to perfect than any natural diamond can be with respect to molecular composition, etc. Oddly enough, that's about the only way to tell the difference.

Supposedly, synthetics will glow for a few seconds after being exposed to very strong UV light, whereas, mined diamonds will not.

GeneValgene said: [Q]snarler said: [Q]mblock66 said: [Q]So can an appraiser tell he difference or not on these? If they can't then wouldn't this be like the biggest money making idea ever?

Buy it insure it for 10k and then ooops lose it? I mean don't take me seriously b/c I would never do that but I am sure someone will..

Can they tell? What would these get appraised at

The man-mades I've read about are perfect or closer to perfect than any natural diamond can be with respect to molecular composition, etc. Oddly enough, that's about the only way to tell the difference.

that is true

but these synthetic manufacturers are seeking transparency in their production, so they are actually laser inscribing a serial number in each diamond to show that it's a synthetic

Somehow I don't think the manufacturers are doing this of their own accord. Reports indicate at least one scientist working on perfecting the process of making these "perfect" diamonds has had their life threatened by representatives of "that diamond company who shall remain nameless"

k77blink said: [Q]actually there are ways to make diamonds look bigger. carot is the WEIGHT, not the size, though obviously the more it weighs, the bigger it will tend to be. a one carot ring can look much bigger than a one carot, depending on the cut. imagine a diamond from the side, like a triangle... (or a diamond shape haha) the line that makes the top of the diamond can be longer or shorter, resulting in sort of a taller or shorter diamond. since the top is what you would compare, unless you carry a tiny diamond scale around to weigh it, you would think the shorter diamond with a bigger top part is actually a larger carot. i forget all the terms for this stuff, its been a while since i did all my diamond research and got my ring. but here is a very simple picture of what im talking about. look at the shallow, etc diagram.

http://www.BlueNile.com/diamond_cut.asp
link

You can easily tell, though, as the fire of the diamond is just *not* the same when it's cut that way. I know someone who flashes around a ring like that. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border=0> I snicker to myself every time she does.

The prettiest wedding ring I ever saw was an eternity ring of garnets. So Victorian. Just gorgeous and not a diamond in sight. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border=0>

with regard to man-made vs natural diamonds...when it comes to no two natural diamonds being identical (natural striations inside, etc), can the same be said about man-made diamonds being that it's flawless (no striations)?

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Well, just got an email from Apollo diamond. They are starting to offer .2 -.6 carat diamonds to a few people who have already inquired about purchasing. This is 3 years after being mentioned in the infamous synthetic diamond article in Wired, but better late than never.



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