I was 10 when I began to hang out in our raisin packing house. There was a Pepsi machine there and I can stil remember the tang and sweet taste of Pepsi from the machine. Pepsi's don't taste that way anymore but I had one that did recently.
I used some non-sugar sweetened Pepsi and warmed it for several hours to kill the sweetness from Aspartame. I did this because I intended to add white sugar to it. Once I added white sugar the taste I remember came back. Or nearly so. The 6oz cold bottles added some kind of flavor too I think. J/k
But the corn sweetener does not add the same zing I remember. so waht to do?
1. Make your own soft drinks.
You can buy cheaply the materials to make a mountain dew or similar soft drink. It consists of
water, white sugar, citric acid, lemon oil, and if you need bubbles you can use a piece of dry ice.
Look you don't need the bubbles. So forget the dry ice.
And the above cost is about 4 cents per 12 oz glass compared to a bad tasting, IMHO, soft drink made with a poor quality sugar and costing so much more.
At least try it.
You can buy citric acid in the Kosher area of a store. Or ask the buyer for it. It's often called sour salt.
Another reason to have it around is that when you cut fresh fruit like apples a bit of citric acid on the cut part keeps it from browning.
When you look at labels you'll see citric acid often used. It's a pH modifier to make the food acidic and help to reduce bacterial growth. It's safe and comes from citrus fruits.
If you bought 10lb or 100lb of it and kept it dry it would never 'wear out' or become old. It's stable as it is. It's a salt. It lasts as long as salt would last. How long? 50 years. 100 year 1000 years.
I hate an ad I saw recently. It said, spend $40 or $20 on these product and we'll send 10% to the breast cancer fund. I looked at the products and they were nearly all soft drinks.
Consider how I feel when I see so many people who are ignorant about something so easy to make.
If you look at an old book from the UK where people could buy everything from morphine to the chemicals I mentioned above you'd realize that most every product on the shelf is made in the same ways our great grand parents who were 100 miles from a city made their medicines, drinks, and foods.
Did it take a bit more work? yes. A lot more work? no.
Good luck. I hate to see money wasted and especially on products which don't taste as good as they did 40 years ago.
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posted: Oct. 9, 2009 @ 3:44p
zoe2077
Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2009 @ 5:22p
Maybe the soda makers feel guilty, that's why the donation. The flavor of soda has been changed greatly by the addition of the non-sugar products and increase of corn syrup in others. I won't get started on the large amount of caffeine in other types of soda. It is very expensive to buy an all natural soda. Maybe we sould try making more of our fond memorie products like your soda. Thanks.
saffronreynolds
Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2009 @ 5:46p
It's an interesting idea. Occasionally we buy real Coke. Soda in Mexico has real sugar, so here in LA you can buy Coke made with real sugar. It's commonly found at taco stands but I've also seen it in Costco. The difference is significant. So if you live in southern CA or any area with access to Mexico, that's something to look for. And in Pasadena there's a store called Galco's Old World Grocery that sells many kinds of soda. Real Dr. Pepper (no corn syrup), a huge variety of interesting types of sodas - some old and some new, and a variety of hard to find old styles of candy. But even with access to all that, I am considering trying to make my own. At least it could be fun. Thanks.
citric acid from soft drinks seriously and irreversibly eroded my tooth enamel to a dangerous extent (per all dentists i've seen in the last 8 years).
i DO need bubbles - that was most of the point for me of drinking soft drinks! for the bubbles now, i drink naturally sparkling water (san pellegrino) in glass bottles (to avoid BPA from plastics).
however, i support any exhortation to avoid aspartame/neutrasweet - it's bad stuff.
mfrs
New Member
posted: Oct. 12, 2009 @ 6:56p
Kosher for Passover sodas often have real sugar, too--corn is not allowed for those observing the holiday. YMMV--I'm sure there's pressure on kosher certifiers to allow corn syrup; they may have prevailed.
If you're in or visiting Puerto Rico you can try the small Coke Classic GLASS bottles (in 12 x 8.45oz.-pack in supermarkets and cold in quite a few convenience stores) from the Islands (either Trinidad or Barbados). I believe they're STILL made with CANE SUGAR, so they're closer to The Real Thing than the ones bottled and canned locally using HFCS...
If those guys at Cayey (mountain town where PR Coke is bottled) replaced Nutrasweet with either Splenda or Stevia sweetener on Coke Zero it'd be perfect (no calories, no chemical taste...).
Hansen's has all natural sodas and they are available not only in SoCal (where I started drinking Hansen's long before it became a yuppie drink) but all across the county at chain's like Kroger's and for a more reasonable price at Costco. Their cherry vanilla drinks are the best sodas available, and yes, their sweetener is cane sugar.
lstewart
Member
posted: Oct. 13, 2009 @ 6:16p
andre1000 said: When you look at labels you'll see citric acid often used. It's a pH modifier to make the food acidic and help to reduce bacterial growth. It's safe and comes from citrus fruits.
If you bought 10lb or 100lb of it and kept it dry it would never 'wear out' or become old. It's stable as it is. It's a salt. It lasts as long as salt would last. How long? 50 years. 100 year 1000 years.
As an actual scientist, I think your post is factually lacking-- citric acid (C6H8O7) is an organic compound and is no where near as stable as table salt, NaCl, which is a stable ionic compound-- which 1000 years from now will still be NaCl (ignoring miniscule amounts lost due to radioactive decay)... Citric acid is likely stable under ideal circumstances, but kept at room temperature and "dry" is not ideal... It is disingenuous to suggest that someone could stockpile this chemical and expect it would remain something you should trust to eat.
A little googling suggests that the amount of citric acid present in most citrus sodas is on the order of 0.2 oz - 2.0 oz per 6 gallons of soda, which leads me to believe that it might be very easy to over-do it and add too much to your home brew mix, with potential side effects (that have been mentioned in this thread already) of damaging tooth enamel or worse...
While we're at it, yes, citric acid is present in citrus fruits; however, the vast majority of citric acid today comes from Aspergillus niger (a mold) fed on a sugar solution produced in industrial processes.
I don't have any problem with anyone making their own soda, but to do so without more thought and knowledge than you've put into this post is potentially dangerous.
mfrs said: Kosher for Passover sodas often have real sugar, too--corn is not allowed for those observing the holiday. YMMV--I'm sure there's pressure on kosher certifiers to allow corn syrup; they may have prevailed.
I've read that the Cleveland Coca-Cola Bottling plant uses cane sugar year round instead of high fructose corn syrup. It's called "sucrose" in the list of ingredients.
Looking at the can of Pepsi I am drinking, High fructose corn syrup is near the top of the list of ingredients, while sugar is near the bottom. I think that is the "norm" for most soft drinks.
An added caution - you can develop allergies to Citric Acid. My Citric Acid allergy results in canker sores that last weeks whenever I get more than a minor amount. My wife gets hives around her joints with even the smallest sip (and they last for weeks as well).
Be careful with Citric Acid - you never realize how many foods it is in until you have to avoid it...
A few months ago, you could buy the "Throwback" versions of Mountain Dew and Pepsi, made with real sugar instead of corn syrup. Here's the weird part; the Mountain Dew REALLY tastes (at first) like DIET, with an odd aftertaste that takes getting used to. Also, the normal Mountain Dew is made with Orange Juice, but not so the Throwback version. And in my experience, the Throwback version also seems to have less caffeine, since I can go a day or two without any and not suffer debilitating headaches. It seems to taste smoother, with a bit less carbonation (some say it tastes "flat" but that's going too far). Hopefully they'll do a run of Throwback every year, since I'm hooked, and only have about a year's supply left!
Cleveland PA and Allentown PA have real sugar Coca-Cola and not just Coca-Cola itself, but its variants like Cherry Coke and Caffeine Free Coke are sold with sucrose.
Dublin TX is where Cane Sugar Dr Pepper is sold.
You want real sugar Mt Dew all year? Go to North Carolina (Look at West Jefferson, NC, they have it in glass bottles, but you can't buy it from Pepsi, its sold by West Jefferson Dr Pepper--they have a Mt Dew contract that is before Pepsi bought Mt Dew, so they get to keep it)
While I'm adding to my post: Mt Dew Throwback (and Pepsi Throwback) will be back in December for a limited run. Confirmed by Beverage Digest (well known and respected trade publication!)
NantucketSunrise said: citric acid from soft drinks seriously and irreversibly eroded my tooth enamel to a dangerous extent (per all dentists i've seen in the last 8 years).
Since there was more than one dentist I'll begrudgingly accept that they weren't just BSing you to get you to pay for expensive treatments, but I still doubt their diagnostics. Unless you were drinking several gallons of soda/day, you most likely just have genetically defective teeth. Maybe their strategy is to induce guilt so that you are now more lavish in treating your "irreversibly" damaged teeth...until they extract them.
I cleared out Pepsi Throwback at Wegmans by me a couple of weeks ago. Good stuff.
Growing up, I remember Pepsi having a distinct scent of shoe polish, though.
TerryK said: Cleveland PA and Allentown PA have real sugar Coca-Cola and not just Coca-Cola itself, but its variants like Cherry Coke and Caffeine Free Coke are sold with sucrose.
Dublin TX is where Cane Sugar Dr Pepper is sold.
You want real sugar Mt Dew all year? Go to North Carolina (Look at West Jefferson, NC, they have it in glass bottles, but you can't buy it from Pepsi, its sold by West Jefferson Dr Pepper--they have a Mt Dew contract that is before Pepsi bought Mt Dew, so they get to keep it)
While I'm adding to my post: Mt Dew Throwback (and Pepsi Throwback) will be back in December for a limited run. Confirmed by Beverage Digest (well known and respected trade publication!)
No, it's a real problem. Most people of my generation in the US have suffered from this kind of enamel erosion. It seems to have come to the attention of the dental profession in the last 10 years.
My dentist in the UK has published a leaflet about it that she gives to every patient.
I've read warnings about it on the internet too.
I drank 2 diet cokes a day from the age of 15 to 35. From the age of 30 to 35 I would drink one of those diet cokes each day with a slice of lime (double acid whammy).
Dentists don't scare me. I don't have any cavities or missing teeth, and from being a small child I've always done my best to take care of my teeth.
I can now see the terrible effects of the acid erosion on my teeth, though, and it's scary because there isn't anything they can do about it to fix the problem. The best I can do is try to slow the erosion by avoiding acidic food, not brushing for 1 hour after eating anything acidic, etc.
I have used desensitizing toothpaste for 8 years and I would be up a creek if I ever was without it. If I had a nuclear fallout shelter type of building, end of the world kind of hiding place, I'd put a case of that toothpaste in there along with the canned beans and candles.
For so many things, I am a "canary in a coalmine". The allergies I have, the food intolerances I have, etc. I hope that this message might give pause to some of you, so that you can protect the surface of your teeth, and of your children's teeth.
Some contributors to enamel erosion: soft drinks fruit drinks, like orange juice, lemon juice, grapefruit juice, lime juice, cranberry juice, etc. whole fruits, especially apples and pears, plus the citrus fruits wine vinegar (by itself, in salad dressing, in sauerkraut, etc.)
Do not brush your teeth for one hour after ingesting these items. That gives the enamel on your teeth time to harden again.
schop said: NantucketSunrise said: citric acid from soft drinks seriously and irreversibly eroded my tooth enamel to a dangerous extent (per all dentists i've seen in the last 8 years).
Since there was more than one dentist I'll begrudgingly accept that they weren't just BSing you to get you to pay for expensive treatments, but I still doubt their diagnostics. Unless you were drinking several gallons of soda/day, you most likely just have genetically defective teeth. Maybe their strategy is to induce guilt so that you are now more lavish in treating your "irreversibly" damaged teeth...until they extract them.
SpatulaCity
Thrifty Member
posted: Oct. 14, 2009 @ 11:33a
Pepsi recently release a product called Pepsi Natural that does away with HFCS. http://www.bevreview.com/2009/03/05/pepsi-natural/ I enjoy the tast of it. It really has an old fashioned taste to me. I see these for sale in the 99 cents stores around my area for 69 cents each.
Ive been lucky enough to find pepsi throwback in corpus christi tx - Ive bought several cases so I have a stock for the occasional soda craving - I wish theyd just make this stuff all year long and widely available - I cant stand the taste of "regular" pepsi
Or just titrate with a basic material or a lot of water.
NantucketSunrise said: No, it's a real problem.
Do not brush your teeth for one hour after ingesting these items. That gives the enamel on your teeth time to harden again.
allergycat
New Member
posted: Oct. 14, 2009 @ 5:23p
lstewart said:
While we're at it, yes, citric acid is present in citrus fruits; however, the vast majority of citric acid today comes from Aspergillus niger (a mold) fed on a sugar solution produced in industrial processes.
And take a guess what type of sugar solution nearly all citric acid is grown on in the USA?.....corn, of course!
The Kosher Sour Salt the OP mentioned should be corn free, as long as its marked Kosher for Passover. The fun things I've had to learn about just how wide spread corn & all its derivatives are since I've very allergic. Did you know some water softer salts actually contain citric acid as an ingredient?
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Oct. 14, 2009 @ 7:13p
allergycat said: lstewart said:
While we're at it, yes, citric acid is present in citrus fruits; however, the vast majority of citric acid today comes from Aspergillus niger (a mold) fed on a sugar solution produced in industrial processes.
And take a guess what type of sugar solution nearly all citric acid is grown on in the USA?.....corn, of course!
The Kosher Sour Salt the OP mentioned should be corn free, as long as its marked Kosher for Passover. The fun things I've had to learn about just how wide spread corn & all its derivatives are since I've very allergic. Did you know some water softer salts actually contain citric acid as an ingredient?I know where you're coming from...I run a bakery catering to people with food allergies in the SF bay area, but I've never heard of salt containing corn. The biggest issue we've had with corn-allergic customers is powdered sugar, so far the only brand we've found that's free of cornstarch is Mishpacha, which is available year-round online.
Unfortunately the surface of the teeth needs an hour to harden up again after being softened by acidic foods/drinks.
Rinsing with water or even 'titrating with a basic material' doesn't do it.
Advice like that is what causes people to permanently scar their tooth surfaces with brushing. My dentists say they can even see bristle marks in my teeth from brushing after my morning orange juice, which I did for 3 years after my then-boyfriend told me that rinsing with water was enough to get the acid out of the mouth. Don't believe it folks -- my dentist told me that following my boyfriend's incorrect advice took about 20 years' of surface off my teeth. Thanks, ex-boyfriend!
lray said: Or just titrate with a basic material or a lot of water.
NantucketSunrise said: No, it's a real problem.
Do not brush your teeth for one hour after ingesting these items. That gives the enamel on your teeth time to harden again.
Mouth pH has been shown to return to normal levels in less than a minute after rinsing with mouthwash (the majority of which are highly acidic). Furthermore, if what happens to your teeth is simply acid/base chemistry, and if acid is the driver to make them "soft," then base should make them "hard" in a similar time scale, if in similar abundance. So forgive if I find it hard to believe you have to wait a full hour after chewing something for 2 minutes.
On top of that, if you truly have brush marks in your teeth from this, then chewing anything like an apple or nuts would destroy your teeth as well. How hard do you brush to have brush marks in your teeth? Is your enamel completely gone? Have you tested the pH of your saliva or the water you used? I believe people with acidic saliva tend to have more tooth issues than those with more neutral saliva.
After eating, chew sugar free gum, or suck on a tums and you'll be fine to brush your teeth if you wait the same amount of time you originally took to eat.
If you have access to any studies that discuss this issue I'd be interested in reading further.
This is coming from a person loves acidic food, and who grew up in FL and drank several gallons of OJ a week.
NantucketSunrise said: Unfortunately the surface of the teeth needs an hour to harden up again after being softened by acidic foods/drinks.
Rinsing with water or even 'titrating with a basic material' doesn't do it.
Advice like that is what causes people to permanently scar their tooth surfaces with brushing. My dentists say they can even see bristle marks in my teeth from brushing after my morning orange juice, which I did for 3 years after my then-boyfriend told me that rinsing with water was enough to get the acid out of the mouth. Don't believe it folks -- my dentist told me that following my boyfriend's incorrect advice took about 20 years' of surface off my teeth. Thanks, ex-boyfriend!
lray said: Or just titrate with a basic material or a lot of water.
NantucketSunrise said: No, it's a real problem.
Do not brush your teeth for one hour after ingesting these items. That gives the enamel on your teeth time to harden again.
Of all the people in the world that brush their teeth after breakfast and the number of those that drink OJ with breakfast, I would think that such a problem would be more well known.
Iray, it's very easy to look up this topic, and normally I'd leave it alone at this point since I've said my piece already, but since there is some kind of one-sided chemistry thought experiment going on about PH levels and musings that my teeth must just be constitutionally weak or something, I'll list some references here about the one-hour rule of thumb to give other readers of this thread some encouragement to treat their enamel more gently from now on.
source 1: article quoting the British Dental Health Foundation
http://www.emaxhealth.com/79/1063.html
"A recent survey by the Foundation found that over three-quarters of people ( 81%) were unaware that brushing their teeth after eating acidic food and drink can damage their teeth permanently. Acidic foods and drinks, such as oranges, grapefruit and fruit juices that are often eaten at breakfast time, soften the enamel on your teeth. Brushing immediately afterward wears the enamel away, and can cause dental erosion, which may lead to pain and extreme sensitivity in the teeth, and also lead to cosmetic problems. The saliva in your mouth neutralises the acidity and restores its natural balance. However research has shown that this can take up to an hour. Over time, regular consumption of acidic food and drink throughout the day can lead to the loss of the surface of your teeth."
source 2: Pronamel toothpaste website
http://www.pronamel.us/faq.aspx
"What can be done to help prevent acid erosion? To help protect your teeth against the effects of dietary acids, there are several steps that can be taken: •Avoid brushing teeth immediately after consuming acidic food or drinks, when the enamel is most soft. It is best to brush teeth before meals or wait at least 1 hour after eating before brushing teeth."
source 3: Journal of the American Dental Association
article entitled "Wait to Brush Your Teeth After Drinking Soda"
http://jada.ada.org/cgi/content/full/134/9/1176-b
"They found that less enamel was lost when subjects waited 30 minutes to an hour to brush... than when they brushed... within half an hour.... In an interview with Reuters Health, Dr. Attin said that tooth enamel appears to suffer less damage when brushing occurs after the tooth has had time to mount its own defense against acidic erosion."
Source 4: random website of a dentist in Minnesota
http://smilesatfrance.com/tooth_wear.asp
"Acid Contribution to Tooth Paste Abuse — Accelerated Loss of Tooth Structure
Adding acid to your mouth on a regular basis will pre-dissolve the surface enamel on your teeth. This makes it easier for your toothbrush and paste to scrub it away—a double whammy! This may leave the teeth temperature and touch sensitive. Acid-corroded teeth are also extremely susceptible to decay. Acid comes from many sources as discussed below.
Enamel is the hard white covering over the softer, dark-yellow dentin. When the enamel is “scrubbed away,” the teeth look more yellow, aged and damaged as the darker dentin becomes exposed. Even though you may be tempted to do so, scrubbing harder does not get the teeth whiter—it just exposes more dark, yellow/orange dentin. If you brush right after stomach acid or acidic foods have softened your teeth, the abusive scrubbing wear is worse. Wait an hour to brush or eliminate the acid assault to your teeth!"
"Healthy diet can cause acid damage to teeth An apple a day may keep the doctor away, but dentists now say it could also leave you wearing dentures. By CanWest News Service
OTTAWA - An apple a day may keep the doctor away, but dentists now say it could also leave you wearing dentures.
The high acid content of fizzy drinks, fruits, vegetables and other healthy snacks actually wears away tooth enamel and many Canadian dentists report the recent trend toward healthy eating means nearly all of their patients are showing signs of wear on their teeth.
''We see this type of thing in everyone even people with the healthiest teeth,'' said Dr. Shaireen Lalani, a dentist based in Vancouver. ''The thing is is everyone is affected, even young children.''
In fact, the surging popularity of pop, sports drinks and other juices with high acid concentrations is a major factor causing tooth erosion among children and adolescents, according to the Canadian Dental Association.
''There's no question that we're seeing more of these erosion effects than I've ever seen and I've been in practice just about 30 years,'' said Dr. Darryl Smith, president-elect of the association. ''It's a significant concern.''
Although they may not recognize the signs, dentists say an increasing number of people are showing signs of acid erosion on their teeth, even if they don't realize there's a problem. For instance, Gerry Edwards, a truck driver who lives in Calgary, was surprised when he recently found out that his teeth are showing signs of acid wear.
Edwards said he enjoys drinking wine and often eats a large amount of fruit while he's on the road. He said he had no idea that moving toward a healthier diet would actually have a negative impact on his teeth.
''I don't feel like eating junk food anymore, so I eat a lot of fruit. Apparently, it's the wine and the fruit that started it,'' he said. ''I was a little surprised.''
Although the dental association doesn't keep statistics on the number of people affected, Smith said there's no doubt an increasing number of people particularly adolescents are showing signs of acid wear on their teeth.
While esthetically unappealing, prolonged acid wear also makes teeth sensitive to hot and cold and can lead to serious decay, he said.
Although the effects of acid on teeth is not a new phenomenon, Lalani said the fact more Canadians are snacking on highly acidic foods throughout the day means they're more susceptible to acid wear. When teeth are repeatedly exposed to acidic foods and drinks, the enamel can soften and eventually dissolve. As time goes on, teeth become thinner and yellowed.
''In its early stages, people suffer minor sensitivity and slight discoloration. But in advanced stages, it can involve fairly costly dental procedures,'' she said.
That doesn't mean Canadians should stop eating healthy foods. But people should be making a conscious effort to reduce the effect acidic treats have on their mouths, Smith said. To help protect teeth, he said it's important for young people, who tend to drink large amounts of pop and other fizzy drinks, to consume more water. It also helps to eat nuts or dairy products alongside fruits and other foods high in acid.
But one important aspect is for people to avoid brushing their teeth immediately after eating acidic foods. That's because brushing can actually expedite the acid's eroding effect on the teeth, Lalani said.
''If you wait an hour, the acidity in your mouth is significantly neutralized,'' she said, adding that it helps to use a soft toothbrush.
Part of the problem is that few Canadians even seem to be aware that the condition exists and that they should be careful about the amount of acid in their food. Only 45 per cent of Canadians know what acid wear is and just five per cent say the condition affects them, according to a recent online survey of 1,081 adult Canadians by Leger Marketing.
More than 50 per cent of Canadians surveyed also said they are eating healthier foods today compared to five years ago, which means they are likely consuming more acid as well. The survey was conducted between June 8 and 11 and results are considered accurate within a margin of error of plus or minus three per cent, 19 times out of 20."
Cigarette smoking used to be prescribed for health reasons, and I remember my mom letting me play with and keep the mercury that came out of a broken thermometer... then there was the asbestos in my school building, the lead in the paint at my grandma's house... we didn't wear car seatbelts in the 70s... hmm, what the vast majority of people do at any point in time isn't always the wisest or most informed thing to do.
You all should go with what you want to believe. I've done what I can to give you the current scientific thinking on the subject.
user0001 said: Of all the people in the world that brush their teeth after breakfast and the number of those that drink OJ with breakfast, I would think that such a problem would be more well known.
pepsi released "throwback" drinks this summer. I bought a few of them and the taste is noticable better.
As far as "making" softdrinks, you forgot to add the cost of your time. Anyways, I only purchase soft drinks with coupons at places that have eithrer a double or triple coupon policy. Because the state where I live charges tax on soda, I pay at most 8 cents for a 20 ounce bottle or 5 cents for a 2 liter and that seems expensive to me.
While we're at it, yes, citric acid is present in citrus fruits; however, the vast majority of citric acid today comes from Aspergillus niger (a mold) fed on a sugar solution produced in industrial processes.
And take a guess what type of sugar solution nearly all citric acid is grown on in the USA?.....corn, of course!
The Kosher Sour Salt the OP mentioned should be corn free, as long as its marked Kosher for Passover. The fun things I've had to learn about just how wide spread corn & all its derivatives are since I've very allergic. Did you know some water softer salts actually contain citric acid as an ingredient?I know where you're coming from...I run a bakery catering to people with food allergies in the SF bay area, but I've never heard of salt containing corn. The biggest issue we've had with corn-allergic customers is powdered sugar, so far the only brand we've found that's free of cornstarch is Mishpacha, which is available year-round online.
Thank you for that link. My son is allergic to corn and boy it is hard to find products without it. By the way, citric acid can be derived as someone pointed out, by "growing it on a mold". Many times corn is used to "grow it" on. Anyway, I have found that many Kosher items he can have. We have found some chocolate chips and sprinkles at a local Kosher grocery store. I will have to see if they carry this powdered sugar. Any ideas on egg free, corn free marshmallows? We have a recipe but it is rather tedious..... Thanks for the powdered sugar link!
BBC story out today that white wine is very destructive on tooth enamel:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8314802.stm
Tuesday, 20 October 2009
White wines 'bad for the teeth'
Wines vary in acidity, but whites tend to be worse
Enjoying a glass of white wine on a frequent basis can damage the teeth, something many wine makers and tasters will know first-hand, experts say.
Pale plonk packs an acidic punch that erodes enamel far more than red wine, Nutritional Research reports.
It is not the wine's vintage, origin or alcohol that are key but its pH and duration of contact with the teeth.
Eating cheese at the same time could counter the effects, because it is rich in calcium, the German authors say.
It is the calcium in teeth that the wine attacks.
If you're going to have a glass of wine do so with your meal and leave a break of at least 30 minutes afterwards before you brush your teeth and go to bed
In the lab, adult teeth soaked in white wine for a day had a loss of both calcium and another mineral called phosphorus to depths of up to 60 micrometers in the enamel surface, which the researchers say is significant.
Riesling wines tended to have the greatest impact, having the lowest pH.
A "kinder" tooth choice would be a rich red like a Rioja or a Pinot noir, the Johannes Gutenberg University team found.
Power of saliva
Even if people brush their teeth after a night of drinking, over the years repeated exposure could take its toll, say Brita Willershausen and her colleagues.
Indeed, excessive brushing might make matters worse and lead to further loss of enamel.
But they said: "The tradition of enjoying different cheeses for dessert, or in combination with drinking wine, might have a beneficial effect on preventing dental erosion since cheeses contain calcium in a high concentration."
This helps neutralise and boost the remineralising power of saliva to halt the acid attack.
But eating strawberries while supping on your vino or mixing sparkling whites with acid fruit juice to make a bucks fizz may spell trouble because this only adds to the acid attack.
Professor Damien Walmsley, of the British Dental Association, said: "The ability of acidic foods and drinks to erode tooth enamel is well understood, and white wine is recognised as being more erosive than red.
"But it's the way you consume it that's all important. If you're going to have a glass of wine do so with your meal and leave a break of at least 30 minutes afterwards before you brush your teeth and go to bed.
"Consuming wine alongside food, rather than on its own, means the saliva you produce as you chew helps to neutralise its acidity and limits its erosive potential.
"And leaving time before brushing teeth gives the enamel a chance to recover from the acid attack and makes it less susceptible to being brushed away."
I pretty much abandoned soft drinks a few years ago when they got into the bottled water business. The same price for 20oz of Coke and Dasani just irritated me on such a basic level (selling raw materials for finished material prices?), I stopped shoveling my money to them. On top of that, fast food restaurants are even worse. $1.49 for a small-medium drink that's 50% ice by volume.
Just speaking in a Fat Wallet context here. Soft drinks are one of the biggest money wasters out there.
bvau789480
Member
posted: Oct. 22, 2009 @ 2:46p
thegerudo said: I tries to make sprite using a lemon and a lime.
It tasted like sh@t. I think theres more to it than that.
I also notice a taste difference when Pepsi is bought in glass bottles .. we could get them in a county store in Vermont till the early 90 / mid 90's.
Real sugar and glass bottles ... i'd be in heaven.
TropicalTriceps
Member
posted: Oct. 25, 2009 @ 12:19a
1) Regarding the original recipe -
Not using the dry ice would not yield any kind of soda. It would be more convenient to simply start with sparkling water and add whatever you want to it. Carbonation takes a while and time is money, too. Also, quality control is better via this route than using dry ice or some kind of seltzer. This is a good way to make custom-flavored sodas, but I sincerely doubt one can successfully imitate commercial soda flavors on their own.
2) Regarding acid corrosion via foods -there's a simple solution. Drink water directly after consuming the acidic food/drink. Given that tooth degradation is a time-intensive process, neutralizing the pH on the spot essentially stops the reaction (of your enamel dissolving).
mfrs said: Kosher for Passover sodas often have real sugar, too--corn is not allowed for those observing the holiday. YMMV--I'm sure there's pressure on kosher certifiers to allow corn syrup; they may have prevailed.
all the non diet kosher for passover sodas still are made with real sugar, so in march/ april it should be around in areas that stock kosher for passover products.
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