Wal-mart trouble coming this BlackFriday

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My daughter in-law works at Wal-Mart and in their meeting last night they announced new Blackfriday (event Day) rules.

First of all they will not call it Black Friday this year, it is Event Day!

Now for the trouble, to help stop the fighting in Wal-Mart on BlackFriday, they will close the stores for 2 hours to set up all items.
Everyone will have to get a ticket for each item they want and wait a in line while the items are handed out by employees, you will have to do this for each item you want (one ticket for each item, different line for each item) and you can only obtain 1 of each item unless you go get another ticket and wait in the line again (You can not get 2 items at the same time).

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Uhm, WHAT ticketing system? Like I've previously commented, at my local WalMart, *I* had to do crowd-control, by making ... (more)

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Don't agree with the different line for each item, but if it keeps morons from trampling over each other I guess they have to do it... I could care less one way or another because I do all my Black Friday shopping online in the comfort of my living room...

lol black friday- i guess that's considered a non-pc term for some? Maybe the trampling deaths of a WalMart employee has last year has something to do with this?

finally...

No more dead bodies on the floor... I guess they are cleaning up their act to make it a safer shopping experience.

you will only have to get a ticket for the big ticket items...the smaller stuff will be in the aisles and stuff like always.....

So you have to wait in line for a ticket, and then wait in another line for the item?

Why not just hire security guards that are off-duty police officers to arrest those who are aggressive or shove people out of the way. Or only let so many people in the store at one time? I think people act more orderly when there's police presence.

What's to stop people from beating up others to get their limited number of tickets? The type of people that trample others to death probably have no qualms about kicking someone's a$$ to steal their ticket.

Just saw a commercial where they advertised that they will pricematch any competitors ad. Do't know if that includes BF, er Event Day items.

TxAggieJen said: Why not just hire security guards that are off-duty police officers to arrest those who are aggressive or shove people out of the way. Or only let so many people in the store at one time? I think people act more orderly when there's police presence.

What's to stop people from beating up others to get their limited number of tickets? The type of people that trample others to death probably have no qualms about kicking someone's a$$ to steal their ticket.


Um, off-duty police officers cost money. Having already-working employees hand out paper tickets (which are a tiny cost) does not cost any extra money that what they would normally be paying. Other stores, like Best Buy, hand out tickets on Black Friday -- it's logical, first come, first served; i.e. no need to push to get to get into the store to beat others to an item, which causes trampling. It's not like there are trampling criminals out there who go around stepping on people's heads and planning that into their Black Friday shopping. It's an unfortunate tragedy from people pushing to get past each other. Pushing to get past and beating people up for tickets are two completely different animals, so I think you're being a bit dramatic.

green14 said: TxAggieJen said: Why not just hire security guards that are off-duty police officers to arrest those who are aggressive or shove people out of the way. Or only let so many people in the store at one time? I think people act more orderly when there's police presence.

What's to stop people from beating up others to get their limited number of tickets? The type of people that trample others to death probably have no qualms about kicking someone's a$$ to steal their ticket.


Um, off-duty police officers cost money.

<snip>.. so I think you're being a bit dramatic.



Wow, you think you can make your point without being confrontational or making it personal?

I was just making a suggestion.

Is this coming from Wal-Mart head quarters? Does anyone know if each store can do their own set up, or if they all have to follow this new procedure.

TxAggieJen said: green14 said: TxAggieJen said: Why not just hire security guards that are off-duty police officers to arrest those who are aggressive or shove people out of the way. Or only let so many people in the store at one time? I think people act more orderly when there's police presence.

What's to stop people from beating up others to get their limited number of tickets? The type of people that trample others to death probably have no qualms about kicking someone's a$$ to steal their ticket.


Um, off-duty police officers cost money.

<snip>.. so I think you're being a bit dramatic.



Wow, you think you can make your point without being confrontational or making it personal?

I was just making a suggestion.


I'm positive that I could, but it wouldn't be as fun or effective. Kinda like condoms, I guess.

that sounds like a waste of time if they have more than one thing you want to get...

Not going to work -- the "line" at black friday turns into a disorderly mob as the opening time approaches. People showing up at the last minute pushing their way in. The WalMart employees are supposed to walk out into this and hand out tickets -- I don't see this happening as planned. In previous years when anyone walked out with tickets at other stores, it was grabbed out of their hands in shoving and pulling matches that turned into a free for all. I watched it all from the warmth of my car then drove off for more sleep and now do the shopping online...

this doesnt sound so terrible. at least it will keep the peace

The solution is simply to hide in the store when they close the night before.

Tickets don't work always. Case in point, I sent one of my employees to the local WalMart this past Saturday to see if we could get one of the $498 Sharp LCD. She got there at 7am, and the store had just 3 of the Sharp TVs and she was just in time to get the 3rd and last ticket. Since they would not let her get the TV until 8am, she wondered the store to kill time. At about 5 minutes till she walked back to pick up the TV and found all of them gone! She walked up to the cash register and asked the guy there and they found that another woman had simply gone to where the TVs were, and put one in her cart. My employee showed her ticket but the woman was adamant and would not give up the TV. She started cussing and arguing and even said to my employee that she'd better get the ***k out of her face.

My employee called me and asked what to do. I told her to just forget it and get back to work.

What made it worse was that the manager did not want to do what was right and simply said there was nothing he could do to force the woman to give up the TV, even though she did not have a ticket.

Tickets or no tickets, there are some people who are going to get their way either by intimidation (and a corresponding unwilingness to enforce rules on the part of the store employees) or by other shoppers not wantingto create a scene.

martin628 said: Not going to work -- the "line" at black friday turns into a disorderly mob as the opening time approaches. People showing up at the last minute pushing their way in. The WalMart employees are supposed to walk out into this and hand out tickets -- I don't see this happening as planned. In previous years when anyone walked out with tickets at other stores, it was grabbed out of their hands in shoving and pulling matches that turned into a free for all. I watched it all from the warmth of my car then drove off for more sleep and now do the shopping online...

Where do you live, the Bronx? I've been BF shopping for YEARS, experiencing the ticket system, and have never seen anything less civil than grumbles from people who didn't get a ticket.

This is what Meijers did last year. You find a line and get a number, go to another part of the store to get the item, then check out. They just need a fair system that makes sense and allows people to follow the rules. It makes no sense to attract a crowd and have everyone wondering what exactly will go on.

Our local WalMart has been doing this for several years for the big ticket or limited supply items. You stand in line and get a ticket then you go pay get the small stuff. At your convenience you go pay for the item. Then whenever you want to, you go pull your car up to the trailer parked outside and they load your item.

You can pay and them go eat breakfast while the crowd thins out some and then go back. Less chance of someone else getting your item because you pay for the ticket, not the actual item.

I've seen the ticketing system work well at both Kmart and Best Buy for years. Those who want to condemn this approach don't have experience on their side of the arguement.

I still remember my first BF at Best Buy years ago. When they opened the doors, a rush of scum got out of their cars and stormed the doors ahead of the people who had been in line for hours. Best Buy learned from this and instituted changes. Now everything is much more organized and civilized.

Kudos to WalMart for learning from the past and attempting to improve the system. No one should have to die because a DVD player is on sale.

I worked in the electronic department at the local WalMart and only had five of the HP laptops when there was a line of 200 people for it. The managers kept switching the location of where the laptops were going to distributed at. First it was the electronics counter, 20 minutes later it was Site to Store area and that flipped flopped the whole night. Eventually the people whom stood in line the longest ended up not getting the laptop. I think the ticketed way will work a lot better than the who ever gets it gets it. The year prior I was shoved by an elderly lady while guarding the dvds lol

If it's done right it's a good idea. Best Buy and the late Circuit City have done the tickets for years for big items, and while it's not perfect it beats a free for all. The trick is for them to hand them out early enough - a few hours before opening - before the latecomers come and bum-rush the door.

Although from what I've seen the last few years, I can't imagine anything worth waiting all night for. The number of people going to BF has gone up dramatically, and the deals have gone down.

Black eye Friday!

Rumor around here is that the change in name is more than cosmetic political correctness.
It seems that this past Saturday's early BF event was nationally a debacle for WallyWorld.

The story being put out, without the usual warning not to discuss it publicly, is that this year
will be a transition year. It is said WallyWorld is panicking about the past violence on BF, and
is going to move to an online only or buy online and pick it up at the store system for BF in years to come.
The name mumbled about was "Online Event Day" instead of BF. Cheaper than moonlighting cops anyway.

Anyone else hear similar?

Yurgis

Good! It's time we ask adults to act like same. If rules will keep people safe and stop others from hogging - I am all for it. (and, Black Friday has always had a deep dark sound to it!)

wait.. is this thread debating the effectiveness of condoms?

SnakeEater said: It is said WallyWorld is panicking about the past violence on BF, and
is going to move to an online only or buy online and pick it up at the store system for BF in years to come.
The name mumbled about was "Online Event Day" instead of BF. Cheaper than moonlighting cops anyway.

Anyone else hear similar?


Online only would surprise me. The reason for the BF doorbusters is to drive traffic to the stores. The stores get a lot more traffic when everyone shows up to the store hoping to get the doorbuster rather than just the people who went online to purchase. Even if someone shows up too late to get the doorbuster tickets, since they are already there they are more likely to park and shop to see what other deals there may be.

Just to clarify, this only applies to stores that are rated a #1 (High Volume/Traffic) stores, Im an ASM at a wal mart, and the que lines only apply to large items or specific blitz items, others will be brought out.

BlueLetterD said: No more dead bodies on the floor... I guess they are cleaning up their act to make it a safer shopping experience.The only place they had that happen was where they had animals on line who decided to rush in (and as I recall, they pushed through a different door than where people were entering).

green14 said: martin628 said: Not going to work -- the "line" at black friday turns into a disorderly mob as the opening time approaches. People showing up at the last minute pushing their way in. The WalMart employees are supposed to walk out into this and hand out tickets -- I don't see this happening as planned. In previous years when anyone walked out with tickets at other stores, it was grabbed out of their hands in shoving and pulling matches that turned into a free for all. I watched it all from the warmth of my car then drove off for more sleep and now do the shopping online...

Where do you live, the Bronx? I've been BF shopping for YEARS, experiencing the ticket system, and have never seen anything less civil than grumbles from people who didn't get a ticket.
Let me guess you -- Orange County, gated community, get your news from watching E!, and in your mall, everyone plays fair and boy scouts volunteer to wait overnight on line for you. For a stereotypical West coaster, don't you know stereotypes are IGNORANT and OBNOXIOUS...

martin628 said: green14 said: martin628 said: Not going to work -- the "line" at black friday turns into a disorderly mob as the opening time approaches. People showing up at the last minute pushing their way in. The WalMart employees are supposed to walk out into this and hand out tickets -- I don't see this happening as planned. In previous years when anyone walked out with tickets at other stores, it was grabbed out of their hands in shoving and pulling matches that turned into a free for all. I watched it all from the warmth of my car then drove off for more sleep and now do the shopping online...

Where do you live, the Bronx? I've been BF shopping for YEARS, experiencing the ticket system, and have never seen anything less civil than grumbles from people who didn't get a ticket.
Let me guess you -- Orange County, gated community, get your news from watching E!, and in your mall, everyone plays fair and boy scouts volunteer to wait overnight on line for you. For a stereotypical West coaster, don't you know stereotypes are IGNORANT and OBNOXIOUS...


Thanks for your stereotypes, but this is only going to be my SECOND BF in California, and I didn't shop last year because I was working. I'm from PITTSBURGH, which is not on the West Coast and have shopped there, and in STATE COLLEGE, PA every other year. Thanks for playing. Oh, and clearly you've never been to Orange County (which is not even where I live anyway), because that fluff doesn't happen there.

green14 said: martin628 said: green14 said: martin628 said: Not going to work -- the "line" at black friday turns into a disorderly mob as the opening time approaches. People showing up at the last minute pushing their way in. The WalMart employees are supposed to walk out into this and hand out tickets -- I don't see this happening as planned. In previous years when anyone walked out with tickets at other stores, it was grabbed out of their hands in shoving and pulling matches that turned into a free for all. I watched it all from the warmth of my car then drove off for more sleep and now do the shopping online...

Where do you live, the Bronx? I've been BF shopping for YEARS, experiencing the ticket system, and have never seen anything less civil than grumbles from people who didn't get a ticket.
Let me guess you -- Orange County, gated community, get your news from watching E!, and in your mall, everyone plays fair and boy scouts volunteer to wait overnight on line for you. For a stereotypical West coaster, don't you know stereotypes are IGNORANT and OBNOXIOUS...


Thanks for your stereotypes, but this is only going to be my SECOND BF in California, and I didn't shop last year because I was working. I'm from PITTSBURGH, which is not on the West Coast and have shopped there, and in STATE COLLEGE, PA every other year. Thanks for playing. Oh, and clearly you've never been to Orange County (which is not even where I live anyway), because that fluff doesn't happen there.
You really missed my point, and the sea of red to yours -- so according to you, because in the college town of State College, three years ago people on line were considerate, therefore only in the Bronx would anyone dare be pushy and cut the line. So you feel this thread is superfluous, my experience and all the others here are irrelevant, retailers efforts to stem the violence are unnecessary, and the guy who was trampled last year in suburban Long Island was an aberration. Okay, got it, good point there, you win. Oh, and I have been to Orange County, and fluff does happen there...

I saw a new commercial that they will be doing price matching. Does this apply to Black Friday?

Trouble at toys r us also this year. They are making everyone check their gunz at the CS counter. This was a direct result to the 2 thugs shooting it out last year in the Seasame Street isle at a TRU in So Cal.

Link for those who forgot about it.

ninjaman said: Trouble at toys r us also this year. They are making everyone check their gunz at the CS counter. This was a direct result to the 2 thugs shooting it out last year in the Seasame Street isle at a TRU in So Cal.

Link for those who forgot about it.


I was in Palm Desert and about to go to that TRU, but decided against it after getting most of my "wants" from Wally World. Decided I was in need of a nap and didn't bother going to the TRU.... I guess being lazy/sleepy paid off for a change.

Phew!
BTW:
I don't think the BF sale was what caused this altercation... I recall these two had prior connections that lead to the shootings.

I say let them cuss. If they want to leave the store, then they will be escort by a police officer. In this state it is against the law to curse in public. Store policies are in place for a reason. If she cant understand that, too bad for her. People that do that just to bully will always get their way because stores give in, and managers roll over, just to avoid loud situations.

As a I heard that WalMart try to improve their online sales. So they will try to be rival with Amazon. I don`t know how they can do that but we probably can hear more WalMart online deals. Good luck and keep your eyes open

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IvyJen2009 said: The ticketing system has worked thus far for the weekly Saturday deals (approx 50-75 people in line @7am and then having to wonder around the store until 8am), I just hope it works with crowds that are 10 - 20 times larger.
Uhm, WHAT ticketing system? Like I've previously commented, at my local WalMart, *I* had to do crowd-control, by making people put their name on a list before the store opened its doors.



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