Beemiller C-9 9MM Hi-Point $129 + S&H

GadsdenGalt said:   DOOMI said:   I bought a Hi Point 9mm the day I turned 21 and have not had an issue with it yet. I have sent a lot of rounds down range in those ten years as well.

I love the second amendment. The idea of more citizens owning firearms warms my heart. But you bring up an important point. Anyone who enjoys shooting will spend much more on ammo than on the gun so why get the cheapest gun possible?


A person with very limited financial resources would probably be well served to buy a cheap gun and practice rather than to spend all of their money on a gun and leave themselves no money to purchase ammo, range time and something secure in which to store the gun if children are around. Anyone who expects his wife to defend herself with a handgun should take the time to teach her to shoot or pay someone else to. Remember police officers miss much more often than they hit their targets and they shoot at least annually. Every round fired that misses its target is a potential liability. It is important to remember the responsibility firearm ownership requires.
I cannot find the price of magazines for this firearm.

The sad truth is that most gun owners don't shoot as much as they'd like or should. I've spend more on classes, matches, ammo, and reloading components than on guns themselves. The arsenal of one of my shooting buddies consists of exactly 2 Glocks, an 870, and a 10/22 but he has fired over 40K rounds of 9mm in 2 years. Most gun owners I know are lucky to shoot 4x year -- much less any kind of formal or informal training. For hunting or plinking, it's not as critical, but for the defensive use the guns we often post here are for, it is most important. Most people I see at the range mention how many "years" they've "been shooting" but handle/load/shoot/hit/manipulate/reload like they've never handled a gun before (more so with handguns than benched rifles).

True to FW, you'd be far better off with an affordable Hi-Point like this ($129), a case of 9mm ammo ($200), and a defensive pistol class ($200) than a LNIB SIG and 1 50rd box of ammo like most people.

The one time I've fired a Hi-Point 9mm it was more accurate than teh innarwebs had led me to believe, the trigger was OK, and significantly, it ran. I actually kinda even liked the sights. If I could ever find one locally, for this price, I'd probably buy one just to support a US company that can put out a functional 9mm for $130. I agree that a CZ-82, Bersa, S&W 9mm police trade in, or even one of the S&W Model 10 revolver trade-ins are also great budget choices, but $130 is $130. IME, the HP is far better than the other guns in *this* price range (Lorcin/Raven/Davis/Jennings) and yes, I am a former Davis owner.

dzer0 said:   Since this is a thread that just won't die and stop giving me red, here is an indisputably better gun that doesn't require a FFL, just a C&R license:

http://www.jgsales.com/romanian-tokarev-ttc,-7.62x25-nice-semi-a...

Is it new ?
Does it have a Lifetime warranty ?
Is it made in the USA ?

If it is used, how do you know that one is a better gun ?

Does it come with any warranty ?

HI-Point
Made in the USA by Americans with no imported parts.

Lifetime Warranty

All Hi-Point firearms carry a lifetime, No-questions asked warranty.

Whether you are the original purchaser, or a third-hand owner, your Hi-Point firearm will be repaired free of charge.

Butcherboy said:   dzer0 said:   Since this is a thread that just won't die and stop giving me red, here is an indisputably better gun that doesn't require a FFL, just a C&R license:

http://www.jgsales.com/romanian-tokarev-ttc,-7.62x25-nice-semi-a...


Is it new ?
Does it have a Lifetime warranty ?
Is it made in the USA ?

If it is used, how do you know that one is a better gun ?

Does it come with any warranty ?

HI-Point
Made in the USA by Americans with no imported parts.

Lifetime Warranty

All Hi-Point firearms carry a lifetime, No-questions asked warranty.

Whether you are the original purchaser, or a third-hand owner, your Hi-Point firearm will be repaired free of charge.

First, does being made in the USA add some sort of intrinsic value?

I get it, we used to make things here, and also 30% of the population used to farm, now it is down to %2. I'm guessing your average high school educated WalMart employee bemoans the loss of low-skill, high paying, union manufacturing jobs overseas, but the simple fact is that even those jobs are getting their wages cut to nothing. Ford pays new workers $14 dollars an hour. Highly skilled manufacturing, like Boeing's 787, is being shifted overseas because that is where highly skilled workers are. Maybe the focus should turn to making education affordable again by ramping back up to 1980's-level state subsidies, I mean across the board, not just for low income groups who barely manage a 40% graduation rate(thanks pell grants!).

Second, will Hipoint's warranty give that inexperienced gun buyer's life back when it jams in a self defense situation? There is a famous incident where a criminal's Hipoint(honestly a typical hipoint buyer) jammed as they were firing on officers. I hope they keep selling them, and if a dirt bag ever takes a shot at me I'll hope he's got a hipoint.

I guess I just don't understand why people assume these won't shoot right, or will jam often just because they are inexpensive. Use decent ammo and take care of the firearm and it will fire just as often as any other pistol. Hell, when I'm at the range I normally just use range ammo and still never have any jams.

That said, these pistols are ugly as hell and not super comfortable in the hand, but mine always does what it needs to.

dzer0 said:   Since this is a thread that just won't die and stop giving me red, here is an indisputably better gun that doesn't require a FFL, just a C&R license:

http://www.jgsales.com/romanian-tokarev-ttc,-7.62x25-nice-semi-a...

My $0.02, I have owned one Hi-Point in my life. It was a 45cal and after the 3rd shot my ears hurt so bad I sold it. That was awhile ago so maybe they're better now. I also own a Chinese manufactured Tokarev (7.62x25) and I recommend it to anyone. The 7.62 x 25 is a sweet round and the Takarev is priced low and easy to clean since it was designed with the Soviet peasant class in mind.

Although I’ve never owned a HiPoint, I have fired a couple of them that belong to friends. The gun is big and clunky, but it fires. Both owners relate that they’ve never had any reliability issues, and between them they’ve put thousands of rounds down range.

So it’s not a pretty gun, and it’s not the pinnacle of firearm design – but when push comes to shoot it will do the job – period.

As far as cost… I’d venture a guess and say that most FWers can make the jump from $120 to $200 without breaking a sweat, but I think it’s arrogant and obnoxious to assume that everyone can pony up that extra money easily. There are many people on a tight budget, they deserve the right of self-defense – or the right to just plink at cans - or put holes in paper – as much as someone who can drop $2,500 on a tricked out .45 or whatever.

If money is tight you'd do better to buy this and still be able to afford some practice rounds and time at the range than buying a higher priced gun but not having any left over funds to afford any practice!

I suppose if the HiPoint was an unreliable gun prone to failure then going on and on about a higher priced but reliable alternative could be understandable, but that’s not the case here.

We get it; this isn’t the best handgun on the market. We get it; most people have enough money to buy better. But get this – by now everyone knows those facts, but for those who want tospend as little as possible for a pistol – this is a good value and a probably their best choice.

And don't even get started on the 9X18 availability vs 9mm luger.

BTW- $210 is the cheapest I found:
http://www.jgsales.com/cz-82-czech-9x18-makarov-military-pistol,...

smokingmods said:   
you can not hate this gun if you ever get to actually touch it

Yeah, I own Sig, Glock, XD, and 1911s but I still find the C9 fun to shoot. I find most C9 haters are not actually C9 owners.

BlueLetterD said:   I would die of shame pointing it at a burglar.

Load it with Remington Golden Saber ammunition. Then you will like it much better.

I own a dozen handguns, including a couple Rugers, Glocks and Kahrs. My favorite "fun gun" to shoot is the Hi-Point 9mm. Tempted to buy another at this price.

Looks like they're OOS. Anyone know another place that might have these for a good price?

BlueLetterD said:   I would die of shame pointing it at a burglar.

I am a bit of a gun Snob, if I point something at a burglar it will either be a Smith and Wesson or a Sig, but if I couldn't afford a better gun, the Hi-Point would do. I have actually handled and fired one, it was a little clunky, and a little heavy, but it was reliable and no less accurate than half a dozen "better" pistols I own.

The only thing I can think of right off hand that would be a higher quality firearm for a similar price would be an old Nagant revolver or maybe if you look really hard a CZ52, but both of those will be surplus guns, and have no warranty at all, and both are chambered in calibers that aren't going to be stocked at your local WalMart.

If you really can't afford much more for a pistol this one will do.