GadsdenGalt said: DOOMI said: I bought a Hi Point 9mm the day I turned 21 and have not had an issue with it yet. I have sent a lot of rounds down range in those ten years as well.
I love the second amendment. The idea of more citizens owning firearms warms my heart. But you bring up an important point. Anyone who enjoys shooting will spend much more on ammo than on the gun so why get the cheapest gun possible?
A person with very limited financial resources would probably be well served to buy a cheap gun and practice rather than to spend all of their money on a gun and leave themselves no money to purchase ammo, range time and something secure in which to store the gun if children are around. Anyone who expects his wife to defend herself with a handgun should take the time to teach her to shoot or pay someone else to. Remember police officers miss much more often than they hit their targets and they shoot at least annually. Every round fired that misses its target is a potential liability. It is important to remember the responsibility firearm ownership requires. I cannot find the price of magazines for this firearm.
The sad truth is that most gun owners don't shoot as much as they'd like or should. I've spend more on classes, matches, ammo, and reloading components than on guns themselves. The arsenal of one of my shooting buddies consists of exactly 2 Glocks, an 870, and a 10/22 but he has fired over 40K rounds of 9mm in 2 years. Most gun owners I know are lucky to shoot 4x year -- much less any kind of formal or informal training. For hunting or plinking, it's not as critical, but for the defensive use the guns we often post here are for, it is most important. Most people I see at the range mention how many "years" they've "been shooting" but handle/load/shoot/hit/manipulate/reload like they've never handled a gun before (more so with handguns than benched rifles).
True to FW, you'd be far better off with an affordable Hi-Point like this ($129), a case of 9mm ammo ($200), and a defensive pistol class ($200) than a LNIB SIG and 1 50rd box of ammo like most people.
The one time I've fired a Hi-Point 9mm it was more accurate than teh innarwebs had led me to believe, the trigger was OK, and significantly, it ran. I actually kinda even liked the sights. If I could ever find one locally, for this price, I'd probably buy one just to support a US company that can put out a functional 9mm for $130. I agree that a CZ-82, Bersa, S&W 9mm police trade in, or even one of the S&W Model 10 revolver trade-ins are also great budget choices, but $130 is $130. IME, the HP is far better than the other guns in *this* price range (Lorcin/Raven/Davis/Jennings) and yes, I am a former Davis owner.
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 1:20a
Since this is a thread that just won't die and stop giving me red, here is an indisputably better gun that doesn't require a FFL, just a C&R license:
Is it new ? Does it have a Lifetime warranty ? Is it made in the USA ?
If it is used, how do you know that one is a better gun ?
Does it come with any warranty ?
HI-Point Made in the USA by Americans with no imported parts.
All Hi-Point firearms carry a lifetime, No-questions asked warranty.
Whether you are the original purchaser, or a third-hand owner, your Hi-Point firearm will be repaired free of charge.
First, does being made in the USA add some sort of intrinsic value?
I get it, we used to make things here, and also 30% of the population used to farm, now it is down to %2. I'm guessing your average high school educated WalMart employee bemoans the loss of low-skill, high paying, union manufacturing jobs overseas, but the simple fact is that even those jobs are getting their wages cut to nothing. Ford pays new workers $14 dollars an hour. Highly skilled manufacturing, like Boeing's 787, is being shifted overseas because that is where highly skilled workers are. Maybe the focus should turn to making education affordable again by ramping back up to 1980's-level state subsidies, I mean across the board, not just for low income groups who barely manage a 40% graduation rate(thanks pell grants!).
Second, will Hipoint's warranty give that inexperienced gun buyer's life back when it jams in a self defense situation? There is a famous incident where a criminal's Hipoint(honestly a typical hipoint buyer) jammed as they were firing on officers. I hope they keep selling them, and if a dirt bag ever takes a shot at me I'll hope he's got a hipoint.
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 4:15p
For the price, buy two and dual wield.
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 4:34p
I guess I just don't understand why people assume these won't shoot right, or will jam often just because they are inexpensive. Use decent ammo and take care of the firearm and it will fire just as often as any other pistol. Hell, when I'm at the range I normally just use range ammo and still never have any jams.
That said, these pistols are ugly as hell and not super comfortable in the hand, but mine always does what it needs to.
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 8:13p
dzer0 said: There is a famous incident where a criminal's Hipoint(honestly a typical hipoint buyer) jammed as they were firing on officers. I hope they keep selling them, and if a dirt bag ever takes a shot at me I'll hope he's got a hipoint. I wonder if that dirt bag criminal spent the time to properly clean and maintain his weapon. Somehow I doubt it.
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 8:38p
dzer0 said: Since this is a thread that just won't die and stop giving me red, here is an indisputably better gun that doesn't require a FFL, just a C&R license:
My $0.02, I have owned one Hi-Point in my life. It was a 45cal and after the 3rd shot my ears hurt so bad I sold it. That was awhile ago so maybe they're better now. I also own a Chinese manufactured Tokarev (7.62x25) and I recommend it to anyone. The 7.62 x 25 is a sweet round and the Takarev is priced low and easy to clean since it was designed with the Soviet peasant class in mind.
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 8:50p
Dude, you're supposed to wear ear protection
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 8:56p
Although I’ve never owned a HiPoint, I have fired a couple of them that belong to friends. The gun is big and clunky, but it fires. Both owners relate that they’ve never had any reliability issues, and between them they’ve put thousands of rounds down range.
So it’s not a pretty gun, and it’s not the pinnacle of firearm design – but when push comes to shoot it will do the job – period.
As far as cost… I’d venture a guess and say that most FWers can make the jump from $120 to $200 without breaking a sweat, but I think it’s arrogant and obnoxious to assume that everyone can pony up that extra money easily. There are many people on a tight budget, they deserve the right of self-defense – or the right to just plink at cans - or put holes in paper – as much as someone who can drop $2,500 on a tricked out .45 or whatever.
If money is tight you'd do better to buy this and still be able to afford some practice rounds and time at the range than buying a higher priced gun but not having any left over funds to afford any practice!
I suppose if the HiPoint was an unreliable gun prone to failure then going on and on about a higher priced but reliable alternative could be understandable, but that’s not the case here.
We get it; this isn’t the best handgun on the market. We get it; most people have enough money to buy better. But get this – by now everyone knows those facts, but for those who want tospend as little as possible for a pistol – this is a good value and a probably their best choice.
posted: Apr. 12, 2012 @ 10:08p
livinn59801 said: Dude, you're supposed to wear ear protection
I do wear ear protection. It's just that I like to hear the gun fire first so I am not shocked the first time I have to fire it off the range. Anyways my hearing is crap, I was in armor in the army and one night I was driving my CO and a couple of 2Lt's at gunnery. My CO had me pull up in right front of the main gun before it fired. Even at 50 feet it sucked the doors off the Humvee. Lesson is, don't mess with a 120's over-pressure. Just as a note: God that was fun!
INCLUDING a hi point c 9 its buttastically ugly and accurate as my sig sauer
it only holds 9 rounds in the magazine which compared to the hi end guns is primitive
however, I purchased this gun to use, abuse and maybe LOOSE in the boat/swamp/truck/woods. I am POSITIVE it will go bang when I pull the trigger I am positive it will hit what I aim at I have practiced with all of my pistols and the prejudice against this gun is silly they could mark it up double the price and it still be a fair price for this gun.
what it lacks in high tech polymer materials and expensive exotic blend metals it more than makes up for with the good old fashioned value of a 100 dollar gun! dont take my word for it LOOK HERE
A Tokarev is 7.62x25, surplus is a little dry right now but there is still plenty of it in Europe and more is always on the way over here.
Who cares this is a discussion on the HP not your gun,if you want to start a thread on that, go right ahead but this is about a great little 9mm Hi Point built like a tank and will prolly outlast guns valued at 3-4 times the initial cost.
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posted: Apr. 16, 2012 @ 1:32p
I own a dozen handguns, including a couple Rugers, Glocks and Kahrs. My favorite "fun gun" to shoot is the Hi-Point 9mm. Tempted to buy another at this price.
posted: Apr. 16, 2012 @ 1:58p
ew2x4 said: Did you read my post? Why even respond like that? Why continue with the passive-aggressive instead of having an actual discussion? I appreciate all your fire arm related deals, but come on. If you want to discuss something, actually discuss it.
It is a deal forum. When asked for the information on the awesome deal you refer to...post the details.
If you paid much attention you would know Butcherboy knows, owns and shoots guns aplenty. He may even have wanted to buy the deal you spoke of.
Butcherboy wants factual details to be presented rather than fish tales. Make the claim, provide the details, nothing more or less asked or expected.
----- I own a Hi-Point C9 and have put just over a thousand rounds thru it. I have yet to take it apart to clean it--I have only wiped out what I could reach a few times/couple drops oil. I have put the cheapest price winchester/umc/remmington/federal/blazer/wolf steel/and?? thru it and all of it feds without issue.
I will say that when it was brand new I had a few jams when the magazine was loaded full. After reading online, it was a common issue that was solved by storing the magazine loaded full for a couple weeks...the spring was just a bit stiff...problem resolved. Also another tip I picked up was to wipe off the feed ramp of the new gun..polish it up if you want. This was several years ago.
I found it easier to shoot than my S&W 9mm Sigma. My wife and a few buddies all were more accurate with it than the Sigma and at half the price.
I am glad I took the chance and bought one.
posted: Apr. 16, 2012 @ 8:01p
Looks like they're OOS. Anyone know another place that might have these for a good price?
posted: Jun. 1, 2012 @ 4:24p
lbwarped said: Looks like they're OOS. Anyone know another place that might have these for a good price?Yes. Grab a gun. $152 shipped, so only a few bucks more than this thread.
posted: Jun. 1, 2012 @ 4:57p
BlueLetterD said: I would die of shame pointing it at a burglar.
I am a bit of a gun Snob, if I point something at a burglar it will either be a Smith and Wesson or a Sig, but if I couldn't afford a better gun, the Hi-Point would do. I have actually handled and fired one, it was a little clunky, and a little heavy, but it was reliable and no less accurate than half a dozen "better" pistols I own.
The only thing I can think of right off hand that would be a higher quality firearm for a similar price would be an old Nagant revolver or maybe if you look really hard a CZ52, but both of those will be surplus guns, and have no warranty at all, and both are chambered in calibers that aren't going to be stocked at your local WalMart.
If you really can't afford much more for a pistol this one will do.
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