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sam2u
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posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:25a
snowlarbear said:price shows 741.54 online. but very tempting, been wanting to upgrade. check your zip code....price went down for me to $598.00 It says it "may" be eligible for the tax credit. Here is a listing and this one is not listed, although I believe this is a partial listing. link National Fuel rebate is for customers in western New York service area. |
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info411man
- Shopaholic Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:39a
Householdneeds.com has it for $599 here w/free shipping. They are located in Vermont so probably no sales tax either unless you live in Vermont. info411man |
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cgott42
- Senior Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:40a
matthewbleffler said:Great deal...for National Fuel customers.
To be eligible: "...I, or my tenant, must be a customer with an active meter serviced by National Fuel Gas Distribution Corporation (“National Fuel”) for the installation address." 
I just called them and they don't service my area (10952) http://www.natfuel.com/ They seem to be Buffalo and parts of Penn. would have like this. |
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jjamess
- Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:40a
So anyone give us some feedback on these tankless water heaters? Are they designed for smaller homes or would it handle my 7 bedroom home? Wonder if you could hook them up in parallel to get more throughput, as it is, I would be worried about it not being able to keep up with our normal usage. |
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Budoman
- Senior Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:41a
The Bosch heater OP linked is a good one. I had one for 3 years in a small two bedroom two-person home before moving and it always worked well, including showers, laundry, etc. |
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mobil1
- Senior Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:43a
That Bosch is 4.3 gals per minute unit. Is that good enough to replace a 40 or 50 gal tank and keep up with say, taking a shower while running the dishwasher? |
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george2001
- Senior Member - 3K
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:45a
Also keep in mind that replacing a conventional tank water heater with a tankless may involve having to replace your vent pipe, since tankless water heaters usually require a larger diameter vent than a tank type. This may add quite a bit to the installation cost. Nice find OP. |
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coolT
- Senior Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:50a
I have a tankless water heater and I like it but there are a few things you should consider. 1) It adds a few seconds to the "delay" when you turn on the hot water and wait for it to get hot. 2) The smaller flow tankless water heaters are not good when running multiple hot water uses. For the water heater discussed in this thread, two showers at a time would be pushing it. 3) Installation was expensive, costs more than the heater itself. On the bright side, you never "run out" of hot water. |
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svallarian
- Senior Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:51a
$400/hr for a contractor in pittsburgh, so enjoy that union savings.  |
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codydog
- Addicted Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:57a
Says must be purchased and installed by Nov. 1 2007 for National rebate. |
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QUICKAVE
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:02a
install by date has passed.. another game by these overcharging now privately owned!! "monopolies" |
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farcrazy
- Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:11a
Kind of off-topic, but there is a misconception that these tankless water heater is a lot more efficient. The only thing that it saves energy is the stand-by loses and piping loses. The stand-by losses for water heaters these days (assuming good foam insulation) are pretty minimal, and the piping loses will be about the same if you place your unit at the same location as before. The gas energy that it takes to heat the water comes at a lot higher BTU and definitely special venting and other installation is required. For people who are really concern about saving money from water heating (like I am)- they should take a look at solar heating and/or heat-pump technologies that has been around. |
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Zenoicus
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:22a
codydog said:Says must be purchased and installed by Nov. 1 2007 for National rebate.haha, I thought that too when I first read the rebate form. But it actually says: "Qualifying product(s) must be purchased new and installed no earlier than November 1, 2007 to be eligible for rebate." |
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CheapCheap1
- Broke Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:22a
You mean it seems to be a scam...huhhh??? QUICKAVE said:install by date has passed.. another game by these overcharging now privately owned!! "monopolies" |
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all168
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:24a
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chief100
- Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:31a
Text Free ship - 594 - possibly no tax? |
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chris8796n
- Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:35a
george2001 said:Also keep in mind that replacing a conventional tank water heater with a tankless may involve having to replace your vent pipe, since tankless water heaters usually require a larger diameter vent than a tank type. This may add quite a bit to the installation cost.
Nice find OP. To add to installation concerns, most existing homes will need to upgrade the gas line that serves the water heater. This usually just limited to upgrading the branch line within the house, but can still be expensive (your on plumber time, if not DIY). |
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coolT
- Senior Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:41a
farcrazy said:Kind of off-topic, but there is a misconception that these tankless water heater is a lot more efficient. The only thing that it saves energy is the stand-by loses and piping loses. The stand-by losses for water heaters these days (assuming good foam insulation) are pretty minimal, and the piping loses will be about the same if you place your unit at the same location as before. The gas energy that it takes to heat the water comes at a lot higher BTU and definitely special venting and other installation is required.
For people who are really concern about saving money from water heating (like I am)- they should take a look at solar heating and/or heat-pump technologies that has been around. I disagree. Tankless water heaters are more efficient than conventional gas water heaters. Electric heaters are more efficient but cost more per year to operate (electric more expensive that gas). Tankless water heaters also last longer. I agree strongly that heat pump and solar technologies are good for the enviroment and should be considered. |
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chief100
- Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:42a
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mailnride1
- Senior Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:47a
Even withou the National Fuel rebate, this is attractive. You still get the Federal credit. My tank heater is about 10 years old and I'd rather replace it that wait for it to break. This site: http://www.tanklesswaterheatersdirect.com Has a larger selection, prices about the same as Lowes. They also offer larger flow models at 6.3 gpm vs. 4.3 for the smaller ones. Think I'll go for the higher flow ones. Bosch even makes an outdoor-mounted model that will work for me (live in Arizona), so I don't have to pay to run vents. Arizona, where you'd think water would be precious, does not have any rebates for this thing. The only thing I saw a rebate for, which I have already, is a hot water recirculating pump that sucks hot water right up to your shower valve to make it hot the instant it comes out. |
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