National fuel rolled out their rebate program for energy efficient improvements. Under the program, a tankless water heater qualifies for a $350 rebate.
Add a 10% off coupon floating around, or use Home Depot coupon.
$598 -10% ($59.80) - $350 National Fuel rebate - $300 Federal credit = - $111.8
If you ar enot handy, figure that you will have to pay someone to install it, but it is not rocket science. Check the local codes before attempting to install to make sure that you will pass the inspection.
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Its a good deal if you are in the market for a water heater-- did you notice you have to have it installed by a pro for the $350 National fuel rebate-- that = more $$ but again- if you need one this is a hot deal. Here is the quote from the national fuel link
"Please note: space and water heating appliances (furnaces, boilers and water tanks) must be installed by a contractor. Contractors must be able to supply one of the following: Federal ID number, a Certificate of Insurance or a Business Certificate showing their company's name and address in order for the rebate application to be considered complete."
To be eligible: "...I, or my tenant, must be a customer with an active meter serviced by National Fuel Gas Distribution Corporation (“National Fuel”) for the installation address."
blueiedgod said: Lowes has a qualifying Tankless water heater for $598 on the website, but it says the local price is lower $741.54 on the website now.
Thanks for the info though.
SAN
Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:12a
Big YMMV. Check with the local gas utility as :
National Fuel Gas Distribution Corporation sells or transports natural gas to over 732,000 customers through a local distribution system located in western New York and northwestern Pennsylvania.
So obviously valid only for part of NY and PA, duh ...
For example Socalgas offers $200 in rebates so still OK, but not as good. Anyway thanks OP, I may bite still ...
But Lowes is not on their approved vendor list ?!
SAN
ajf3
Ancient Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:13a
Delivers up to 4.3 gallons per minute
...I don't think that would be enough to replace a regular hot water tank with... you'd probably have to watch running the dishwasher, clothes washer, showers, tubs, etc at the same time.
muczen
Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:14a
Ok but at $741 after 10% off you are getting the unit for free. Not a bad deal. Wish I thought about this sooner! No time to get this done before year-end for me.
singerfish
Happy Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:14a
In SJC it is $598, but we don't have national fuel But, its literally a hot deal OP.
$598.00 in couple stores around DC. Couple also have it for $741.54
sepultura
Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:22a
To get the $598 price, try to change the local store. I have 8 local stores around, only two of them sell it for $598, others are all $741.74. Online price reflects lower local price if you choose a right store.
sam2u
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:25a
snowlarbear said: price shows 741.54 online. but very tempting, been wanting to upgrade.
check your zip code....price went down for me to $598.00
It says it "may" be eligible for the tax credit.
Here is a listing and this one is not listed, although I believe this is a partial listing.
matthewbleffler said: Great deal...for National Fuel customers.
To be eligible: "...I, or my tenant, must be a customer with an active meter serviced by National Fuel Gas Distribution Corporation (“National Fuel”) for the installation address."
I just called them and they don't service my area (10952) http://www.natfuel.com/ They seem to be Buffalo and parts of Penn.
would have like this.
jjamess
Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 10:40a
So anyone give us some feedback on these tankless water heaters? Are they designed for smaller homes or would it handle my 7 bedroom home? Wonder if you could hook them up in parallel to get more throughput, as it is, I would be worried about it not being able to keep up with our normal usage.
The Bosch heater OP linked is a good one. I had one for 3 years in a small two bedroom two-person home before moving and it always worked well, including showers, laundry, etc.
That Bosch is 4.3 gals per minute unit. Is that good enough to replace a 40 or 50 gal tank and keep up with say, taking a shower while running the dishwasher?
Also keep in mind that replacing a conventional tank water heater with a tankless may involve having to replace your vent pipe, since tankless water heaters usually require a larger diameter vent than a tank type. This may add quite a bit to the installation cost.
I have a tankless water heater and I like it but there are a few things you should consider.
1) It adds a few seconds to the "delay" when you turn on the hot water and wait for it to get hot. 2) The smaller flow tankless water heaters are not good when running multiple hot water uses. For the water heater discussed in this thread, two showers at a time would be pushing it. 3) Installation was expensive, costs more than the heater itself.
On the bright side, you never "run out" of hot water.
install by date has passed.. another game by these overcharging now privately owned!! "monopolies"
farcrazy
Member
posted: Dec. 5, 2007 @ 11:11a
Kind of off-topic, but there is a misconception that these tankless water heater is a lot more efficient. The only thing that it saves energy is the stand-by loses and piping loses. The stand-by losses for water heaters these days (assuming good foam insulation) are pretty minimal, and the piping loses will be about the same if you place your unit at the same location as before. The gas energy that it takes to heat the water comes at a lot higher BTU and definitely special venting and other installation is required.
For people who are really concern about saving money from water heating (like I am)- they should take a look at solar heating and/or heat-pump technologies that has been around.
codydog said: Says must be purchased and installed by Nov. 1 2007 for National rebate.haha, I thought that too when I first read the rebate form. But it actually says: "Qualifying product(s) must be purchased new and installed no earlier than November 1, 2007 to be eligible for rebate."
george2001 said: Also keep in mind that replacing a conventional tank water heater with a tankless may involve having to replace your vent pipe, since tankless water heaters usually require a larger diameter vent than a tank type. This may add quite a bit to the installation cost.
Nice find OP.
To add to installation concerns, most existing homes will need to upgrade the gas line that serves the water heater. This usually just limited to upgrading the branch line within the house, but can still be expensive (your on plumber time, if not DIY).
farcrazy said: Kind of off-topic, but there is a misconception that these tankless water heater is a lot more efficient. The only thing that it saves energy is the stand-by loses and piping loses. The stand-by losses for water heaters these days (assuming good foam insulation) are pretty minimal, and the piping loses will be about the same if you place your unit at the same location as before. The gas energy that it takes to heat the water comes at a lot higher BTU and definitely special venting and other installation is required.
For people who are really concern about saving money from water heating (like I am)- they should take a look at solar heating and/or heat-pump technologies that has been around.
I disagree. Tankless water heaters are more efficient than conventional gas water heaters. Electric heaters are more efficient but cost more per year to operate (electric more expensive that gas). Tankless water heaters also last longer. I agree strongly that heat pump and solar technologies are good for the enviroment and should be considered.
Even withou the National Fuel rebate, this is attractive. You still get the Federal credit. My tank heater is about 10 years old and I'd rather replace it that wait for it to break.
Has a larger selection, prices about the same as Lowes. They also offer larger flow models at 6.3 gpm vs. 4.3 for the smaller ones. Think I'll go for the higher flow ones.
Bosch even makes an outdoor-mounted model that will work for me (live in Arizona), so I don't have to pay to run vents.
Arizona, where you'd think water would be precious, does not have any rebates for this thing. The only thing I saw a rebate for, which I have already, is a hot water recirculating pump that sucks hot water right up to your shower valve to make it hot the instant it comes out.
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Edson
New Member
posted: Jan. 19, 2008 @ 3:28p
tankless wtr htr uses alot of btu.. you will need to have the gas meter changed from a smaller to a larger meter to be able to supply the larger demand of gas. i work for utility company and the contractors have not mentioned this to the customers. when everything in the house is on- stove, wtr htr, htr/dryer, it causes the mtr to over work and may not supply enough for all appliances. fyi..
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