Butcherboy said:Ace Royal Paint 1 gallon Interior / exterior, buy one get one free.
Any one khow how well Consumer Reports rated this paint ???

I'd like to get more info on this too. There are a number of commentaries on a variety of websites but about 50% are from the same guy who sells a lot of it.

Anyone have direct experience with Ace Royal Exterior?

Thank you. I guess exterior is going to be a mystery for me then. Any chance you could let me know what was highly-rated and not $50 bucks a gallon?

Thanks. Green for you and see ya at ACE on Friday!

Claymore said:Thank you. I guess exterior is going to be a mystery for me then. Any chance you could let me know what was highly-rated and not $50 bucks a gallon?

Cheap stuff uses newspaper as a binder, the better stuff uses titanium. You might try McClosky, which is pt. & primer in one, or Behr, Which has a lifetime guarantee.

handyguy said:Cheap stuff uses newspaper as a binder, the better stuff uses titanium. You might try McClosky, which is pt. & primer in one, or Behr, Which has a lifetime guarantee.
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Where did you get this from? Newspaper and titanium as paint binders? How about oils or latex?
BINDER – "BINDS" THE PIGMENT, PROVIDES ADHESION, INTEGRITY AND TOUGHNESS TO THE DRY PAINT FILM

The binder is a very important ingredient that affects almost all properties of the coating, especially:

adhesion and related properties like resistance to blistering, cracking and peeling
other key resistance properties like resistance to scrubbing, chalking and fading
application properties like flow, leveling and film build, and gloss development
With no pigment present, most binders would dry to form a clear, glossy film; some binders are used without pigments to make clear finishes and varnishes.

1. Oil-Based

The binder in an oil-based coating is made from a vegetable oil that "dries," or oxidizes, and crosslinks when it is exposed to the air, and thus develops the desired properties of the paint product. Drying oils traditionally used in paints and coatings include linseed oil (squeezed from flax seed and refined), tung oil (from fruit of the chinawood tree), and soya oil (from soybeans).

Today, few paints are made with oil alone; rather, they are based on modified oils called alkyds. Alkyds dry harder and faster than oils. Some coatings, particularly exterior primers, are made with combinations of oils and alkyds to achieve appropriate flexibility. The term "oil-based" is commonly used to refer to both oil and alkyd coatings.

Film Formation of oil and alkyd-based paints is a two-step process:

When the paint is applied to a surface

1. the liquid evaporates and leaves the binder and pigment on the surface; and

2. the binder then "dries" or oxidizes as it reacts with the oxygen in the air.

It is this drying, or oxidation, that develops the hard, tough properties of the oil or alkyd paint. However, the oxidation process can ultimately cause this type of paint to harden to the point where it is vulnerable to cracking and chipping. The oxidation also causes yellowing, which typically is bleached out by sunlight, but may be quite noticeable in an area protected from sunlight, e.g., an inside room or closet, or a wall behind a picture frame.


2. Latex-Based Binders

Most water-based paints are "latex" paints*. The binder in a latex paint is a solid, plastic-like material dispersed as microscopic particles in water. This dispersion is a milky-white liquid, which is called latex in the paint industry, in that it is reminiscent of natural latex from the rubber tree. Latex is also called emulsion, and in some countries, such as England, latex paints are referred to as emulsion paints.

Except for appearance, the latex used in paint is in no way connected with the natural latex used in some kinds of rubber gloves, which reportedly have caused allergic reactions among certain users of the gloves.

The paint manufacturer makes a dispersion of the pigments which will go into a batch of paint, and adds the latex binder. Thus, the paint consists of dispersed pigment and binder, along with some additives and liquid, mainly water (see sections below).

Film formation of latex paint occurs when the paint is applied and the water evaporates. During this process, the particles of pigment and binder come closer together. As the last vestiges of liquid evaporate, capillary action draws the binder particles together with great force, causing them to fuse and bind the pigment into a continuous film.

The mechanism of latex paint film formation has some limitations. Because the binder particles are thermoplastic (tending to get softer at higher temperature, and vice versa), they will get too hard to fuse into a continuous, durable film when applied at too low a temperature. This is the main reason paint manufacturers specify a minimum application temperature (typically, 50° F) for latex paint products. And if conditions are such that the paint dries very fast, film formation and durability can be compromised, since very quick drying can reduce mobility of the particles before the film is adequately formed. Conditions that can contribute to overly fast drying of exterior paint are very high temperature, wind, low humidity, painting in direct sunshine, and painting over a very porous surface.

Types of latex binder: There are different broad chemical types of polymer used as latex paint binders. The two types used most commonly in North America are:

100% acrylic and vinyl acrylic (also called PVA for polyvinyl acetate)

The formulator has many binders of each type from which to choose. These will vary in terms of adhesion, particle size, flow and leveling, hardness, solids content, price, and other characteristics.

As a result of these properties and benefits, 100% acrylic latex paint is often specified for use on exterior surfaces where top quality performance is required. (Acrylic binders are significantly more expensive than vinyl acrylics.) For interior applications, acrylic binders afford benefits in terms of adhesion under wet conditions, resistance to waterborne stains (food stains like coffee, juice, wine, etc.), resistance to blocking (sticking), and resistance to alkaline cleaners. However, because of cost differences, vinyl acrylic is the predominant binder used for interior paints, with 100% acrylic types generally reserved for top of the line products. The trend is toward use of high-performance interior acrylic paints, both for highly demanding uses such as kitchen & bath, and more general applications where ease of cleaning is important.

A third category of latex binder is styrenated acrylic. Styrene is included in the binder for enhanced water resistance, gloss development and cost reduction; however, the amount of styrene that can be used is limited because too high a level can create a tendency to crack and to chalk excessively, leading to fading. These binders are used in some masonry sealers, gloss paints and direct-to-metal coatings.
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rodbucks1 said:Good luck getting the rebates. I don know about others but last year they had the same sale. I even joined the Ace Rewards club. After my purchase, I went online for the Ace Reward members to fill in the form to get the rebates. A month later, I get a post card in the mail saying I entered invalid codes. What? All I did was enter the quantity I purchased and I get this scard aying I used invalid codes. I tried it again same thing happen. Lost out probably $15 or more in rebates.

Never had any problem with ACE rebates. They are fast and reliable.

rodbucks1 said:Good luck getting the rebates. I don know about others but last year they had the same sale. I even joined the Ace Rewards club. After my purchase, I went online for the Ace Reward members to fill in the form to get the rebates. A month later, I get a post card in the mail saying I entered invalid codes. What? All I did was enter the quantity I purchased and I get this scard aying I used invalid codes. I tried it again same thing happen. Lost out probably $15 or more in rebates.

Never had any problem with ACE rebate. Pretty fast, reliable and trouble-free. One of the best rebate processing systems so far.

ANightShopper said:

Never had any problem with ACE rebate. Pretty fast, reliable and trouble-free. One of the best rebate processing systems so far.Have you received your Ace Memorial Day 2008 Offer: May 23 - May 26?
It still says processing in the final phase..Hopefully should get the check in couple of weeks..

Anymore info on the pressure washer? Make/model?