I submitted my rebate from the last notebook cooler deal from antec/fry (different product) and it showed up on the tracking site within 3 weeks. check mail estimate date is out in october, though.
tpcs01 said: I had this before & hated it! It really only works if your laptop is stationary on a deskNo kidding. This is the small model that sits behind your laptop and blows air into the back of it, not the bigger model that sits under it and sucks air down.
onion said: Just another Antec product aimed at the uneducated/unintelligent general public. This product is useless. Don't be fools people.
This review that shows actual temperature measurements says otherwise. While laptops ideally are designed to dissipate heat well-enough without external help, that's not always the case. For the protection of the user and the laptop itself, these coolers do have a use.
For $5 AR, this is a good product for a little extra cooling and putting the laptop at an ergonomic angle.
agentjfong said: onion said: Just another Antec product aimed at the uneducated/unintelligent general public. This product is useless. Don't be fools people.
This review that shows actual temperature measurements says otherwise. While laptops ideally are designed to dissipate heat well-enough without external help, that's not always the case. For the protection of the user and the laptop itself, these coolers do have a use.
For $5 AR, this is a good product for a little extra cooling and putting the laptop at an ergonomic angle.Please obtain an education in laptop cooling design before posting a link to a review conducted by someone with equal lack of knowledge. Laptop CPUs are designed to run at a max temp of around 95-100 degrees C. Laptops are DESIGNED to allow the CPU to reach temps in the 50-60s before even turning the fan on to its slowest setting. Many AMD laptops dont even fully power the fan until CPU temps reach 75C. Why? Because there is no need for the extra cooling. This is why the review you posted is a complete joke. The reviewer stated his CPU temp without the cooler was 57c after "intense gaming" which is already COOL for a laptop. Will the drop of temps to the low 50s make any kind of difference? No because heat does NOT reduce the realistic life of laptops.
This is why these products are aimed solely at the uneducated/unintelligent general public who know nothing about engineering or technology. Antec poisons the minds of these types of people. They create the illusion of a problem and sell a solution with equal illusionary merits.
onion said: agentjfong said: onion said: Just another Antec product aimed at the uneducated/unintelligent general public. This product is useless. Don't be fools people.
This review that shows actual temperature measurements says otherwise. While laptops ideally are designed to dissipate heat well-enough without external help, that's not always the case. For the protection of the user and the laptop itself, these coolers do have a use.
For $5 AR, this is a good product for a little extra cooling and putting the laptop at an ergonomic angle.Simply LAUGHABLE. Please obtain an education in laptop cooling design before posting a link to a review conducted by someone with equal lack of knowledge. Laptop CPUs are designed to run at a max temp of around 95-100 degrees C. Laptops are DESIGNED to allow the CPU to reach temps in the 50-60s before even turning the fan on to its slowest setting. Many AMD laptops dont even fully power the fan until CPU temps reach 75C. Why? Because there is no need for the extra cooling. This is why the review you posted is a complete joke. The reviewer stated his CPU temp without the cooler was 57c after "intense gaming" which is already COOL for a laptop. Will the drop of temps to the low 50s make any kind of difference? No because heat does NOT reduce the realistic life of laptops.
This is why these products are aimed solely at the uneducated/unintelligent general public who know nothing about engineering or technology. Antec poisons the minds of these types of people. They create the illusion of a problem and sell a solution with equal illusionary merits.If you don't want it don't buy it. Who cares what your opinion is? This is a hot deal forum, not a review board.
onion said: ...heat does NOT reduce the realistic life of laptops.Now that statement is laughable. You know how many laptops have been given to me to be repaired because the laptop continuously shuts down after being turned on for just a few minutes? The resolution is always the same. Remove the wad of dust that's accumulated on the cooling fins. So if heat is no problem, why put in a heat sink, fan and fins? Why does the manufacturer install safeguards that turn off the laptop if the temp gets too high? You're a joke.
Now I'm no laptop engineer but I can't imagine a CPU lasting very long fluctuating between room temperature when off to a max of water boiling temp then cycling back and forth. Plus one of the hottest parts of a laptop is the hard drive which definitely does not do well with heat. Any reduction in temp would have to benefit the life expectancy of either of those two critical components. I did get a different Antec laptop cooler...mostly because it keeps the heat off my lap!
Also, did it occur to you that perhaps laptop manufacturers avoid using fans until absolutely necessary because 1) they are generally loud and annoying to the user and 2) they make money by selling you another laptop when your current one spontaneously dies?
onion said: agentjfong said: onion said: Just another Antec product aimed at the uneducated/unintelligent general public. This product is useless. Don't be fools people.
This review that shows actual temperature measurements says otherwise. While laptops ideally are designed to dissipate heat well-enough without external help, that's not always the case. For the protection of the user and the laptop itself, these coolers do have a use.
For $5 AR, this is a good product for a little extra cooling and putting the laptop at an ergonomic angle.Please obtain an education in laptop cooling design before posting a link to a review conducted by someone with equal lack of knowledge. Laptop CPUs are designed to run at a max temp of around 95-100 degrees C. Laptops are DESIGNED to allow the CPU to reach temps in the 50-60s before even turning the fan on to its slowest setting. Many AMD laptops dont even fully power the fan until CPU temps reach 75C. Why? Because there is no need for the extra cooling. This is why the review you posted is a complete joke. The reviewer stated his CPU temp without the cooler was 57c after "intense gaming" which is already COOL for a laptop. Will the drop of temps to the low 50s make any kind of difference? No because heat does NOT reduce the realistic life of laptops.
This is why these products are aimed solely at the uneducated/unintelligent general public who know nothing about engineering or technology. Antec poisons the minds of these types of people. They create the illusion of a problem and sell a solution with equal illusionary merits.
nodinero said: Now I'm no laptop engineer but I can't imagine a CPU lasting very long fluctuating between room temperature when off to a max of water boiling temp then cycling back and forth. Plus one of the hottest parts of a laptop is the hard drive which definitely does not do well with heat. Any reduction in temp would have to benefit the life expectancy of either of those two critical components. I did get a different Antec laptop cooler...mostly because it keeps the heat off my lap!
Also, did it occur to you that perhaps laptop manufacturers avoid using fans until absolutely necessary because 1) they are generally loud and annoying to the user and 2) they make money by selling you another laptop when your current one spontaneously dies?Ah the logic of the "general pubic"! I'll say it again. No, heat does not realistically reduce the life of CPU or hard drive. You said that you are not educated in engineering. You didnt have to. Your posts clearly shows so.
WOW. Thank you mr onionhead.... You save me sooooooo much reading. I'll never have to read any kind of review of any product as long as you share your super human intelligence with us. Thank you Thank you, oh GREAT MASTER
onion said: Just another Antec product aimed at the uneducated/unintelligent general public. This product is useless. Don't be fools people.
titewad said: You know how many laptops have been given to me to be repaired because the laptop continuously shuts down after being turned on for just a few minutes? The resolution is always the same. Remove the wad of dust that's accumulated on the cooling fins.
Um, how is any notebook cooler going to alleviate the "wad of dust" accumulating in the cooling fins? Are you saying that with a notebook cooler, the fans on the notebooks themselves will never kick in? I find your argument illogical.
faceless105
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posted: Aug. 3, 2008 @ 12:01a
This is really in response to onion. I run FusionMods and I wanted to respond a bit on the effect of notebook coolers. The cooling of all notebook coolers is infact minimal. A lot of it is due to the design of the cooler itself. The antec cooler you guys are discussing does have a better design for cooling then a large number of coolers. The majority of notebook coolers have a design more like these... http://fusionmods.net/?theCase=viewReview&theLog=1366 http://fusionmods.net/?theCase=viewReview&theLog=1122 http://fusionmods.net/?theCase=viewReview&theLog=1108 I suppose that makes the point. These do look cool, but the fans are almost never positioned in a spot directly below the cpu, so while air does still get pushed upward, it's being pushed from usually 2-3 fans running off of 5v (the max power that USB 2.0 carries) and it hits the body of the laptop, not the cpu area (in most instances), so it isn't too effective.
Cooling that isn't aimed directly upward seems to be much more effective, this so far seems to be one of the top competitors we've reviewed so far... http://fusionmods.net/?theCase=viewReview&theLog=1375 and it's largly due to the pocket that it pushes the air up from.
I want to take a moment because I really want to stress that while I do review varios types of hardware, I'm in no way being compensated for these reviews. I am not working for any of these companies and we do these reviews to the sole effect and helping people make decisions. If you spend some time on the forums there you'll see that we really exist for the community and aren't out to make any money (lol which we really dont).
On the comment about the fans powering up at various temperature, that really varies between venders. A large portion of wanting to keep fan speeds lower is simply power consumption. Theres a huge push on mobile technology as of the last couple years and this is why there have been new CPUs developed simply for mobile devices because they'll consume less power, giving you longer battery lifes.
Honestly if you don't think heat will damage a computer then you deserve to have your computer fried. Heat is the number 1 killer of all (internal) computer hardware. This is why performance computers have such huge cpu coolers, this is why so many gamers have moved to water cooling.
Aside from the obvious effect of notebook coolers they also offer a bit of functionality too. The biggest killer I've seen on notebooks aside from faulty adapters is heat, but it's a result of their vents slowly getting plugged. The fans may be running full speed, but if they can't disapate their heat, they can only hope it disapates through the body. notebook coolers keep their computers off the ground, and thus prevent you fron picking up a good portion of the hair and dust that plugs them up.
Honestly in my experience though, unless you like to set you'r laptop on a carpeted floor there isn't much to worry about. the best way to keep it running at top speed is to just every few months, take a can of air and clean out all the ventilation holes and fans. Definitely don't open the notebook up if you don't feel confident in your abilities, but you shouldn't need to do that typically.
lol I understand that this isn't a computer forum but seeing as one of our reviews were coming into play I thought I'd clear things up. Now onion was righ, CPUs can operate at those higer temperatures, but it's not something they prefer to do. cool temperatures are best for electronics. and heat really does effect the life of hardware, probably the most effected ina laptop will be the life of your harddrive. So keeping heat vented in the design it was ment to meens that less heat will be passed along to there. If you guys ever have any computer questions feel free to check out the site. Theres a ton of knowledgable people there who are pretty helpful. And this isn't a plug, lol. I just wanted to set the story straight on the effect of notebook coolers. and if you can get a good deal on it, then by all meens get it
faceless105 said: Honestly if you don't think heat will damage a computer then you deserve to have your computer fried. Heat is the number 1 killer of all (internal) computer hardware. This is why performance computers have such huge cpu coolers, this is why so many gamers have moved to water cooling. again no. OVERheating does. Not heat. Temperatures within operating specs do not realistically reduce component life.
Also performance computers and gamers overclock and resort to huge coolers and water cooling to try to keep temps low for STABILITY not because they are worried about component life as they know it is not an issue.
hadji said: titewad said: You know how many laptops have been given to me to be repaired because the laptop continuously shuts down after being turned on for just a few minutes? The resolution is always the same. Remove the wad of dust that's accumulated on the cooling fins.
Um, how is any notebook cooler going to alleviate the "wad of dust" accumulating in the cooling fins? Are you saying that with a notebook cooler, the fans on the notebooks themselves will never kick in? I find your argument illogical.It won't. My point is heat will cause problems.
titewad said: hadji said: titewad said: You know how many laptops have been given to me to be repaired because the laptop continuously shuts down after being turned on for just a few minutes? The resolution is always the same. Remove the wad of dust that's accumulated on the cooling fins.
Um, how is any notebook cooler going to alleviate the "wad of dust" accumulating in the cooling fins? Are you saying that with a notebook cooler, the fans on the notebooks themselves will never kick in? I find your argument illogical.It won't. My point is heat will cause problems.
Again. If you state that the problem is wads of dust, how can any cooling fan reduce that? Thus making the argument that buying a notebook cooler is meaningless.
hadji said: titewad said: hadji said: titewad said: You know how many laptops have been given to me to be repaired because the laptop continuously shuts down after being turned on for just a few minutes? The resolution is always the same. Remove the wad of dust that's accumulated on the cooling fins.
Um, how is any notebook cooler going to alleviate the "wad of dust" accumulating in the cooling fins? Are you saying that with a notebook cooler, the fans on the notebooks themselves will never kick in? I find your argument illogical.It won't. My point is heat will cause problems.
Again. If you state that the problem is wads of dust, how can any cooling fan reduce that? Thus making the argument that buying a notebook cooler is meaningless.
Maybe you should go back and re-read my post. I never made an argument that you should buy a cooler. I made an argument that heat can cause problems to refute the other poster who claims that heat can not cause problems.
Here's the last sentence of my original post that quoted and conveniently omitted:
titewad said: So if heat is no problem, why put in a heat sink, fan and fins? Why does the manufacturer install safeguards that turn off the laptop if the temp gets too high?
Now as for buying a cooler, if your internal fan is broken, then this is a cheap substitute. If you laptop is too hot to put on your lap, then the other model that is bigger and sits under your laptop is a great idea since it will keep the heat off your legs and unlike a pillow it won't impede are flow, it will improve it.
titewad said: Maybe you should go back and re-read my post. I never made an argument that you should buy a cooler. I made an argument that heat can cause problems to refute the other poster who claims that heat can not cause problems.
If I drive my car with the cooling system functioning properly, I will be ok. If I drive my car with the radiator drained dry, I am asking for trouble. Is that your argument in a nutshell? I think Onion's point, however crudely put, is valid. If your laptop is functioning within the spec. heat limits, as tested vigorously by the manufacturer, you will be fine and have no need for additional cooling. If, as you say, your laptop fans stop working and the temp rises ABOVE the max. limit then yes, you would be wise to replace the fans first and if needed, circulate the air with a cooling fan such as this. It isn't rocket science.
onion said: Please obtain an education in laptop cooling design before posting a link to a review conducted by someone with equal lack of knowledge.
You have an "education in laptop cooling design"? What school teaches that?
Btw, can you just leave this thread? You've been shot down in every other thread.
This cooler is great for my gigantic Alienware laptop/brick. That thing heats up so fast, and will start to burn.
onion said: Also performance computers and gamers overclock and resort to huge coolers and water cooling to try to keep temps low for STABILITY not because they are worried about component life as they know it is not an issue.
Stability and component life go hand in hand. When your computer starts to blue screen and freeze completely something has broken. Why don't you goto one of the overclocking forums and post your argument. Its a flamewar waiting to happen.
hadji said: titewad said: Maybe you should go back and re-read my post. I never made an argument that you should buy a cooler. I made an argument that heat can cause problems to refute the other poster who claims that heat can not cause problems.
If I drive my car with the cooling system functioning properly, I will be ok. If I drive my car with the radiator drained dry, I am asking for trouble. Is that your argument in a nutshell? I think Onion's point, however crudely put, is valid. If your laptop is functioning within the spec. heat limits, as tested vigorously by the manufacturer, you will be fine and have no need for additional cooling. If, as you say, your laptop fans stop working and the temp rises ABOVE the max. limit then yes, you would be wise to replace the fans first and if needed, circulate the air with a cooling fan such as this. It isn't rocket science. Exactly. PS - if your laptop's fan stops working, it will be a matter of a few minutes before it shuts itself off. There will be no "if" the temp rises above the max. It will overheat. You will have no alternative to replacing the fan, or using another cooling mechanism.
There are other uses for this cooler besides laptops. Routers start misbehaving when they get hot, so they can be used to cool a router or any other device that is cooled only by air passing though the case vents by convection. Got an external hard drive with no fan? Cool it with this. There are plenty of uses. Maybe your cat will like it in the summer. For $5, use it for whatever you want. It's cheap.
titewad said: hadji said: titewad said: Maybe you should go back and re-read my post. I never made an argument that you should buy a cooler. I made an argument that heat can cause problems to refute the other poster who claims that heat can not cause problems.
If I drive my car with the cooling system functioning properly, I will be ok. If I drive my car with the radiator drained dry, I am asking for trouble. Is that your argument in a nutshell? I think Onion's point, however crudely put, is valid. If your laptop is functioning within the spec. heat limits, as tested vigorously by the manufacturer, you will be fine and have no need for additional cooling. If, as you say, your laptop fans stop working and the temp rises ABOVE the max. limit then yes, you would be wise to replace the fans first and if needed, circulate the air with a cooling fan such as this. It isn't rocket science. Exactly. PS - if your laptop's fan stops working, it will be a matter of a few minutes before it shuts itself off. There will be no "if" the temp rises above the max. It will overheat. You will have no alternative to replacing the fan, or using another cooling mechanism.
There are other uses for this cooler besides laptops. Routers start misbehaving when they get hot, so they can be used to cool a router or any other device that is cooled only by air passing though the case vents by convection. Got an external hard drive with no fan? Cool it with this. There are plenty of uses. Maybe your cat will like it in the summer. For $5, use it for whatever you want. It's cheap.
Don't forget to add the cost of a powered usb hub because the last time I checked my router, external hard drive or cat for that matter don't have a powered usb port on them.
hadji said: titewad said: hadji said: titewad said: Maybe you should go back and re-read my post. I never made an argument that you should buy a cooler. I made an argument that heat can cause problems to refute the other poster who claims that heat can not cause problems.
If I drive my car with the cooling system functioning properly, I will be ok. If I drive my car with the radiator drained dry, I am asking for trouble. Is that your argument in a nutshell? I think Onion's point, however crudely put, is valid. If your laptop is functioning within the spec. heat limits, as tested vigorously by the manufacturer, you will be fine and have no need for additional cooling. If, as you say, your laptop fans stop working and the temp rises ABOVE the max. limit then yes, you would be wise to replace the fans first and if needed, circulate the air with a cooling fan such as this. It isn't rocket science. Exactly. PS - if your laptop's fan stops working, it will be a matter of a few minutes before it shuts itself off. There will be no "if" the temp rises above the max. It will overheat. You will have no alternative to replacing the fan, or using another cooling mechanism.
There are other uses for this cooler besides laptops. Routers start misbehaving when they get hot, so they can be used to cool a router or any other device that is cooled only by air passing though the case vents by convection. Got an external hard drive with no fan? Cool it with this. There are plenty of uses. Maybe your cat will like it in the summer. For $5, use it for whatever you want. It's cheap.
Don't forget to add the cost of a powered usb hub because the last time I checked my router, external hard drive or cat for that matter don't have a powered usb port on them.Are they located that far away from your computer that you need a powered hub?
titewad said: Are they located that far away from your computer that you need a powered hub?
External hard drive is attached via esata to my Directv DVR, combination modem/wireless router is by my main phone and my cat could be anywhere at any given time.
hadji said: titewad said: Are they located that far away from your computer that you need a powered hub?
External hard drive is attached via esata to my Directv DVR, combination modem/wireless router is by my main phone and my cat could be anywhere at any given time.And that applies to the other 300 million people in the USA too? Just because you can't use one doesn't mean no one else can. Since it sold out so fast, I guess you are in the minority of people who don't want one.
You went from "not" making an argument to buying this cooler to trying desperately to find other uses for it to now saying that those of us that didn't buy it should have because it sold out so quickly. That about sum it up? What was your point again? Dust wads, cat coolers and "cool" gizmo. You have my head spinning.
hadji said: You went from "not" making an argument to buying this cooler to trying desperately to find other uses for it to now saying that those of us that didn't buy it should have because it sold out so quickly. That about sum it up? What was your point again? Dust wads, cat coolers and "cool" gizmo. You have my head spinning.I didn't buy one, but it sold out so plenty of people have a use (or desire) for one. Do you mind quoting my post where I allegedly said, "those of us that didn't buy it should have because it sold out so quickly."? I never made that statement. You seem to make things up to suit your needs.
My point again, since you have no comprehension skills, is that heat can damage your notebook.
hadji said: You have my head spinning. That wasn't hard to accomplish.
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