vante said:CELO said:Not being sarcastic but what is the point of getting this?
"If you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it." - Peter Drucker

Say you look at your electric bill and you decide you want to reduce it. Where do you start? What electronics are the biggest draws? How much power does your entertainment center use when it is off? Is the cost of leaving that computer on 24/7 worth the benefit? How much money would you save by replacing something old and inefficient with a modern energy star version? How many hours will it take to break even on a fluorescent bulb? Use this enough and you will see the little dollar signs dissipating over each outlet. Informed decisions are better decisions.

Turn off you computer when not using it. Duh
entertainment center draw such a minimal ammount of power when its off that its a moot point, but if youre worried about it just unplug it.

How much money would you save by replacing something old and inefficient with a modern energy star version???? Uhm you would save the SAME amount by doing it anyway and NOT buying this lame device!! lol

Again, this isnt rocket science people. If its old, then replace it if you can afford it.
If youre not in the room, turn the light off.
I mean, cmon, if you need this lame device to help you use your brain then you better start looking for something that works on your faucet and toilet to let you know how much $ can be saved in water.
That lawn mower needs a device to let you know how much gas youre using compared to the newer mowers.
Heck, why dont you buy a device to let you know how the other device is doing!!!!!!!

HAHAHA.

Save your $$ people, no deal here or give me your money and I'll tell you to turn off the light when you leave the room or to get rid of the 12 year old dishwasher for a new one(better yet, wash by hand.. shhhhhhh that's a secret)wink wink.

cedarperra said:You don't know what you are talking about and you are judgemental. Stop while you are behind.

2nded

Izpoof said:cedarperra said:Izpoof said:vante said:CELO said:Not being sarcastic but what is the point of getting this?
"If you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it." - Peter Drucker

Say you look at your electric bill and you decide you want to reduce it. Where do you start? What electronics are the biggest draws? How much power does your entertainment center use when it is off? Is the cost of leaving that computer on 24/7 worth the benefit? How much money would you save by replacing something old and inefficient with a modern energy star version? How many hours will it take to break even on a fluorescent bulb? Use this enough and you will see the little dollar signs dissipating over each outlet. Informed decisions are better decisions.

Turn off you computer when not using it. Duh
entertainment center draw such a minimal ammount of power when its off that its a moot point, but if youre worried about it just unplug it.


How much money would you save by replacing something old and inefficient with a modern energy star version???? Uhm you would save the SAME amount by doing it anyway and NOT buying this lame device!! lol

Again, this isnt rocket science people. If its old, then replace it if you can afford it.
If youre not in the room, turn the light off.
I mean, cmon, if you need this lame device to help you use your brain then you better start looking for something that works on your faucet and toilet to let you know how much $ can be saved in water.
That lawn mower needs a device to let you know how much gas youre using compared to the newer mowers.
Heck, why dont you buy a device to let you know how the other device is doing!!!!!!!

HAHAHA.

Save your $$ people, no deal here or give me your money and I'll tell you to turn off the light when you leave the room or to get rid of the 12 year old dishwasher for a new one(better yet, wash by hand.. shhhhhhh that's a secret)wink wink.

You don't know what you are talking about and you are judgemental. Stop while you are behind.
You sir should practice what you preach. Maybe you should buy a device to let you know when your posts are hogwash, then you could save some time and do something productive.

I understand where you're coming from, but some people are fanatical about some things and you wont get them to change their mind. If they want to waste their money on this, then more power to them. We all have our druthers.

I do agree that some things are just common sense and I do know that an old fridge or hot water heater is not energy efficient.
This is more of a novelty than anything, but some folks like novelties, let em have their fun I say.

GeorgeT said:When ever a Kill-A-Watt topic comes up on Fat Wallet, there are two camps. Those who can benefit from the knowledge and those who cannot. For those who cannot, then please don't wast your $20. However if you did have a Kill-A-Watt, you could see how much energy you have wasted posting on this topic

When ever a Kill-A-Watt topic comes up on Fat Wallet, there are two camps. Those who can benefit from saving the $20 and those who cannot. For those who cannot, then please don't waste your $20. However if you did have a Kill-A-Watt, you could see how much money you have wasted buying it.

Well, most people think that this device is waste of money. But if you can not MEASURE it, you can not IMPROVE it. It is nice to know how much I will save if I upgrade an appliance. For ex. you have your modem + router + tv standby on 24/7. If you can find out that a time programmer can pay itself in a year by shutting them off after midnight in weekdays, you might consider investing some money on it.

eturkan said:Well, most people think that this device is waste of money. But if you can not MEASURE it, you can not IMPROVE it. It is nice to know how much I will save if I upgrade an appliance. For ex. you have your modem + router + tv standby on 24/7. If you can find out that a time programmer can pay itself in a year by shutting them off after midnight in weekdays, you might consider investing some money on it.

Or, if you just shut them off anyway when not being used you can still save money.
TADA!!!!

BTW, If I cannot measure, I sure as heck can improve it. Again, it does not take a rocket scientist to know that if you unplug or turn a device off, you will save money.

Buy a new dishwasher and replace that 15 year old rust bucket and you save money.

If you realllllly wanna save money, then start by saving $20.00.

Gotta love this scenerio. " Sir, I bought this GE hot water heater and after I installed it, filled it up and tested it with this silly device, I realized Im not saving as much as what that kenmore might save me, so please can I return it and buy the kenmore? And if that kenmore dont do it for me, I'd like to return that and buy the Maytag. "

This does have some very good uses. I will be using mine for my home business to monitor all power consumption from business computers. That way, I don't have to guess on utility reimbursement, I will know down to the penny what I have to pay for power.

Ok ooooo and izpoof, here is your scenario:
You've slowly saved money to upgrade various appliances in your house. You have $1000 and your replacement options are the living room wall AC unit, the bedroom wall AC unit, your 36" tube TV, your refrigerator, your washing machine, or your microwave oven. They all need to be replaced soon as they are old, but are all working. You know approximately how much use each gets a month. Which do you replace first so that the energy savings add up quickest to let you replace the next one as soon as possible?

OOS

chibimike said:Izpoof said:chibimike said:Ok ooooo and izpoof, here is your scenario:
You've slowly saved money to upgrade various appliances in your house. You have $1000 and your replacement options are the living room wall AC unit, the bedroom wall AC unit, your 36" tube TV, your refrigerator, your washing machine, or your microwave oven. They all need to be replaced soon as they are old, but are all working. You know approximately how much use each gets a month. Which do you replace first so that the energy savings add up quickest to let you replace the next one as soon as possible?

Duh, The bedroom ac or the fridge 1 & 2 or vica versa, the washing machine, the living room ac, and finally either the microwave or tv as both are nice to have but not need to have items.

See, pretty easy and I didnt have to spend $20.00 and my degree is in fire science not rocket science.


Look, it is obvious that those that are arguing this thing already spent the money on it are are trying hard to justify the purchase. If it makes you all feel better about wasting your money, then by all means go ahead and argue this thread.
All 12 of you.
lol


You didn't answer the question at all. The question wasn't, of these appliances, which do you think are the most important. They all need to be replaced, and the question was: "Which do you replace first so that the energy savings add up quickest to let you replace the next one as soon as possible?". Try again.

Also here is another scenario for you: In my house the washing machine and dishwasher were on the same circuit from the power box. If I ran both simultaneously, they would occasionally trip the breaker, in spite of the expected normal draw of both being far below anything that should trip the breaker. Which of the two is having random, seriously out of range power draws and needs to be replaced or repaired?

Honestly, just because you don't have a use for a product doesn't make it useless to everyone. I don't have a use for tampons, but the world would sure be a messier place without them.

I answered the question like a rational person. You dont buy based on how much you would save, you buy on what you NEED by priority. It makes no sense to buy a TV only because that saves you the most when you are sitting there with no AC and nothing cold to drink in dirty clothes.

If you desire to buy based on which energy savings add up the quickest then you have more pressing needs in life, like giving the children cold milk from the fridge or making them a tad more comfortable with cool air.

The washing machine and dishwasher can be run at different times, you dont need this item to tell you that you're drawing more amps than your breaker can handle.
Youre making up scenrios just to justify the purchase of this. Seriously, it has never happened to me nor anyone that I know and doubtful it has happened to you. If however it has, you still need to get a repairman to look at both so it's a moot point.

Hang it up guy. If you want to feel better about buying this, then you certainly do not need to post here to feel it. Just smile and tell yourself it was money well spent and you can believe yourself.

The tampon analogy dosent apply here as we are not talking about tampons.