edit (08/19/09): changed release date, removed Kmart.com since you can pre-order almost anywhere now, updated price information, etc. Thanks to posters in this thread for the additional information.
final edit: Marked as dead since everyone sells the slim pre-order for $299 and dropped their prices. Thanks for the green on the original post.
yay. Kinda strange though that the 'slim' is preselling on Kmart for 299 and the 80gb will be 299. That would seem to confirm that the slim would have less funcitonality than the 80GB.... otherwise people would just buy it instead for it's 'slimness'.
lzpoof said: yay. Kinda strange though that the 'slim' is preselling on Kmart for 299 and the 80gb will be 299. That would seem to confirm that the slim would have less funcitonality than the 80GB.... otherwise people would just buy it instead for it's 'slimness'.
Yea, I thought that was odd. I had to double check the articles but you are right.
I also paid $449 at the egg for that PS3 + Uncharted bundle about 2-3weeks ago... so it seems only a $50 savings for that system.
lzpoof said: yay. Kinda strange though that the 'slim' is preselling on Kmart for 299 and the 80gb will be 299. That would seem to confirm that the slim would have less funcitonality than the 80GB.... otherwise people would just buy it instead for it's 'slimness'.
Fine print reads 'While supplies last.' They are most likely clearing out the supply of the fatty PS3s.
iamwildbill said: lzpoof said: yay. Kinda strange though that the 'slim' is preselling on Kmart for 299 and the 80gb will be 299. That would seem to confirm that the slim would have less funcitonality than the 80GB.... otherwise people would just buy it instead for it's 'slimness'.
Fine print reads 'While supplies last.' They are most likely clearing out the supply of the fatty PS3s.
Your comment seems backward. If the slim is the same price as the 'limited supplies' 80GB, then why would anyone be buying any of the 'limited quantities'. If you want to get rid of an old product you'd normally price it less than the new competing product. Unless Sony figures there will be so few 'slims' available that people will have to buy the 80GB.
ProppaT said: Can't wait for the PS3 slim to come out. I might actually be able to finally nab a ps3 for a decent price.
I would wait at least a month or so to make sure the new update did not introduce any problems and also they might have sales/add-ons in a month or so.
Marlin1975 said: ProppaT said: Can't wait for the PS3 slim to come out. I might actually be able to finally nab a ps3 for a decent price.
I would wait at least a month or so to make sure the new update did not introduce any problems and also they might have sales/add-ons in a month or so.
HArd to build anything that sucks up 130 watts and is the size of a dvd player without having a pretty substantial cooling system.
if 300 is the new regular price then paying MSRP isn't really a deal. 250 would be a good target now. paid 450 for mine (model CECHA) some years ago during a sale at Amazon.
chronotrigger
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 18, 2009 @ 9:17a
Hmm if this becomes a $250-300 BR player + game system, then it looks like this holiday season will be big for BR and HDTVs. Not so much because the prices may be wonderful (compared to what FWers see throughout the year), but the idea that people have about buying this stuff at the holiday time, when they spend more than the other 10-11 months, will boost sales.
The real question here is will the new lower price PS3s maintain the quality of the older PS3 systems? Sony has a long history of using subpar components in their later gen gaming systems once they substantially lower pricing. Persoanlly for the same price I would rather have an earlier gen PS3 which are built solid vs a new gen PS3 with a poor build quality.
I did the fat/slim PS2 thing when that was on the market. While the cost cutting measures were pretty apparent on the slim, it worked well and was cool and quiet. There were never any stability or compatibility issues with the slim ps2.
There were some bad later PS2s, there was a model of the slim (version 14?) which basically burned out it's optical drive after X number of hours no matter what you did.
But to characterize Sony as having a history of this seems to be jumping far afield. The PSOne was fine in the revised versions, and the PS2 other than the one model was fine too, and continues to be so until now.
On top of this, the 60GB PS3s have a pretty strong history of power supplies going out and the optical drives failing completely (the "disc is sucked in but doesn't spin" problem).
So I would say your fears don't have any real foundation. I can't guarantee your new PS3 won't have problems, but I don't see any real trend toward things getting worse. And I personally expect you'll have better luck than I have had with my first week PS3.
Marlin1975 said: ProppaT said: Can't wait for the PS3 slim to come out. I might actually be able to finally nab a ps3 for a decent price.
I would wait at least a month or so to make sure the new update did not introduce any problems and also they might have sales/add-ons in a month or so.
Oh, I was talking more about finding a old used fat ps3. You can find them for $240 sometimes already, this might be enough to make a used PS3 for under $200 a reality.
HappyScrappyHeroPup said: There were some bad later PS2s, there was a model of the slim (version 14?) which basically burned out it's optical drive after X number of hours no matter what you did.
But to characterize Sony as having a history of this seems to be jumping far afield. The PSOne was fine in the revised versions, and the PS2 other than the one model was fine too, and continues to be so until now.
On top of this, the 60GB PS3s have a pretty strong history of power supplies going out and the optical drives failing completely (the "disc is sucked in but doesn't spin" problem).
So I would say your fears don't have any real foundation. I can't guarantee your new PS3 won't have problems, but I don't see any real trend toward things getting worse. And I personally expect you'll have better luck than I have had with my first week PS3.
LOL even Sony can't make those assertions that and your memory is seriously flawed: Sony issued a recall on some 150,000 later gen PS1s after they failed to read discs. 3rd gen PSPs recalled due to cracked LCDs PS2 slim production was halted by Sony for nearly 6 months due to faulty components BTW - Problems with the early 60GB PS3 are irrelevant sine that was the first gen product. The 60GB PS# is by FAR the best PS3 built to date Despite your false assertions as has been proven in the past with every later gen game console Sony has produced once they dropped the price substantially so I would say there is far more precedent to assume Sony will produce a lower quality product at a much lower price point than there is to the contrary. As I stated before I would much rather have one of the quality built earlier gen PS3s for the same price than to gamble on Sony's history.
cnIsfg said: HappyScrappyHeroPup said: There were some bad later PS2s, there was a model of the slim (version 14?) which basically burned out it's optical drive after X number of hours no matter what you did.
But to characterize Sony as having a history of this seems to be jumping far afield. The PSOne was fine in the revised versions, and the PS2 other than the one model was fine too, and continues to be so until now.
On top of this, the 60GB PS3s have a pretty strong history of power supplies going out and the optical drives failing completely (the "disc is sucked in but doesn't spin" problem).
So I would say your fears don't have any real foundation. I can't guarantee your new PS3 won't have problems, but I don't see any real trend toward things getting worse. And I personally expect you'll have better luck than I have had with my first week PS3.
LOL even Sony can't make those assertions that and your memory is seriously flawed: Sony issued a recall on some 150,000 later gen PS1s after they failed to read discs. 3rd gen PSPs recalled due to cracked LCDs PS2 slim production was halted by Sony for nearly 6 months due to faulty components BTW - Problems with the early 60GB PS3 are irrelevant sine that was the first gen product. The 60GB PS# is by FAR the best PS3 built to date Despite your false assertions as has been proven in the past with every later gen game console Sony has produced once they dropped the price substantially so I would say there is far more precedent to assume Sony will produce a lower quality product at a much lower price point than there is to the contrary. As I stated before I would much rather have one of the quality built earlier gen PS3s for the same price than to gamble on Sony's history.
Sony didn't recall PS1s for not reading discs. I'm not saying some PS1s didn't have problems reading discs, most definitely some did. But it was never recalled that I know of. And largely people just weren't used to how optical drives wear out, they expected their machines to last forever, like cartridge-based machines. I've had the optical drives go out on my Xbox, Xbox 360, PS3 and my Wii cannot read dual-layer discs, so optical drive problems are just a fact of life on consoles now (sadly). People understand this somewhat now, but as the first optical drive console most people owned, the PS1 unfortunately was the bearer of the bad news of the new reality.
Sony never recalled the 3rd gen PSP. And what, cracked screens? The problem with the 3rd gen PSP is the method under which it refreshes (draws) the screen makes it show interlacing problems, it wasn't a problem with them cracking.
I wish Sony were more forthcoming with recalls. But having seen them never recall the PS2 slim model in question (the one that might as well have had an expiration date printed on the side), it's unlikely Sony would ever issue a recall or extended warranty, which is bad business practice, IMHO.
I don't recall PS2 slim production being halted for months, and if it were, there's no way you'd know it was due to faulty components. It's not like companies give reasons for production halts. This sounds like internet lore gone mad.
Having had some experience with PS3s failing, I'll tell you the most reliable model is the 80GB (no-BC) model. The $400 model. The 60GB is the best PS3 built to date, because it has full backwards compatibility (I'm using it right now to play Sly Cooper 2!), but it is easily the least reliable model to date too.
As a recommendation to others who read this, you all have to make your own decisions, but note that the above information about recalls is untrue from what my research seems to indicate. And when you see a person giving a reason for an unexplained (and as far as I can tell nonexistent) halt on PS2 production, you really need to measure your attention paid carefully.
cbaty
Member
posted: Aug. 18, 2009 @ 10:52a
Why is everyone so scared? I mean come on we have warranties on them right? Chances are if its gonna fail, it will in that first year. I bought the small 40GB and have had is a few years, not a single problem.
HappyScrappyHeroPup said: cnIsfg said: HappyScrappyHeroPup said: There were some bad later PS2s, there was a model of the slim (version 14?) which basically burned out it's optical drive after X number of hours no matter what you did.
But to characterize Sony as having a history of this seems to be jumping far afield. The PSOne was fine in the revised versions, and the PS2 other than the one model was fine too, and continues to be so until now.
On top of this, the 60GB PS3s have a pretty strong history of power supplies going out and the optical drives failing completely (the "disc is sucked in but doesn't spin" problem).
So I would say your fears don't have any real foundation. I can't guarantee your new PS3 won't have problems, but I don't see any real trend toward things getting worse. And I personally expect you'll have better luck than I have had with my first week PS3.
LOL even Sony can't make those assertions that and your memory is seriously flawed: Sony issued a recall on some 150,000 later gen PS1s after they failed to read discs. 3rd gen PSPs recalled due to cracked LCDs PS2 slim production was halted by Sony for nearly 6 months due to faulty components BTW - Problems with the early 60GB PS3 are irrelevant sine that was the first gen product. The 60GB PS# is by FAR the best PS3 built to date Despite your false assertions as has been proven in the past with every later gen game console Sony has produced once they dropped the price substantially so I would say there is far more precedent to assume Sony will produce a lower quality product at a much lower price point than there is to the contrary. As I stated before I would much rather have one of the quality built earlier gen PS3s for the same price than to gamble on Sony's history.
Sony didn't recall PS1s for not reading discs. I'm not saying some PS1s didn't have problems reading discs, most definitely some did. But it was never recalled that I know of. And largely people just weren't used to how optical drives wear out, they expected their machines to last forever, like cartridge-based machines. I've had the optical drives go out on my Xbox, Xbox 360, PS3 and my Wii cannot read dual-layer discs, so optical drive problems are just a fact of life on consoles now (sadly). People understand this somewhat now, but as the first optical drive console most people owned, the PS1 unfortunately was the bearer of the bad news of the new reality.
Sony never recalled the 3rd gen PSP. And what, cracked screens? The problem with the 3rd gen PSP is the method under which it refreshes (draws) the screen makes it show interlacing problems, it wasn't a problem with them cracking.
I wish Sony were more forthcoming with recalls. But having seen them never recall the PS2 slim model in question (the one that might as well have had an expiration date printed on the side), it's unlikely Sony would ever issue a recall or extended warranty, which is bad business practice, IMHO.
I don't recall PS2 slim production being halted for months, and if it were, there's no way you'd know it was due to faulty components. It's not like companies give reasons for production halts. This sounds like internet lore gone mad.
Having had some experience with PS3s failing, I'll tell you the most reliable model is the 80GB (no-BC) model. The $400 model. The 60GB is the best PS3 built to date, because it has full backwards compatibility (I'm using it right now to play Sly Cooper 2!), but it is easily the least reliable model to date too.
As a recommendation to others who read this, you all have to make your own decisions, but note that the above information about recalls is untrue from what my research seems to indicate. And when you see a person giving a reason for an unexplained (and as far as I can tell nonexistent) halt on PS2 production, you really need to measure your attention paid carefully.
Well it is obvious you work for Sony or at the very least have no clue how to search. Hint try Googling "Sony Playstation recall"
You said: Sony never recalled the 3rd gen PSP. And what, cracked screens? The problem with the 3rd gen PSP is the method under which it refreshes (draws) the screen makes it show interlacing problems, it wasn't a problem with them cracking
WRONG Sony issued a recall global retailer recall in 2007 after UK consumers report recveing untis with crack screens.
You said" I don't recall PS2 slim production being halted for months, and if it were, there's no way you'd know it was due to faulty components. It's not like companies give reasons for production halts. This sounds like internet lore gone mad."
Wrong! The Wall Street journal reported this story in September 2006 and despite your claims ALL publically traded companies disclose this type information.
Bottom line, Sony has a LONG history of providing lower quality problem plagued gaming products once they are forced to reduce pricing substantially. Whether or not that holds true for this next gen PS3 only time will tell but the their prior histry is certainly working against them.
Seems Sony has better quality control then MS, so a slim system should be safe.
BigCheapSk8
Member
posted: Aug. 18, 2009 @ 11:29a
For me the best improvement besides slimming it down is to make all versions backward compatible. I wonder if they have accomplished this with this new version. Forgive me if tis has already been covered, but I am too lazy to read through all of the info surrounding this new iterance of the PS3.
BigCheapSk8
Member
posted: Aug. 18, 2009 @ 11:33a
cnIsfg said: WRONG Sony issued a recall global retailer recall in 2007 after UK consumers report recveing untis with crack screens.
Couldn't they have just disassembled the screens, smoked them, sold the rest for parts, then used that money to buy more crack?
BigCheapSk8 said: For me the best improvement besides slimming it down is to make all versions backward compatible. I wonder if they have accomplished this with this new version. Forgive me if tis has already been covered, but I am too lazy to read through all of the info surrounding this new iterance of the PS3.
If it is compatible then it's gonna be only software and that's been 50-50 workable. Adding hardware compatibility means putting a daughterboard inside I believe which means more $ to build, more space used up inside, and higher heat. I doubt thye'll keep up compatibility. Besides technically the price cut difference is enough to buy a ps2 separately.
I was on the bandwagon for it because I wanted to buy a ps3 for my room and a ps2 for the living room. That way I can buy old cheap ps2 games for my nieces/nephews to play and I could network a copy on my ps3 with them. But you can only ask for so much really when the PS2 is as old as it is and we're looking for cheaper consoles. Would anyone really expect a new Wii with slots for super nintendo and N64 catridges ?
sidenote, can we keep the conversations relevant ? I really don't give a sh** what past gen PSP's or PS2's were recalled for. It is irrelevant to what the reliability of a PS3 is as they don't use the same components.
update: Sony just confirmed this at Gamescon (following a kotaku live blog). They said stores early Sept (first week). Note that Kmart.com lists 8/24/09 still.
from the blog: Same features and function. 120 gb drive 33 percent smaller, 36 percent lighter That's $299, 299 euros, 29980 yen That will be the price for the current ps3 starting tomorrow (also)
Paperbag said: update: Sony just confirmed this at Gamescon (following a kotaku live blog). They said stores early Sept (first week). Note that Kmart.com lists 8/24/09 still.
from the blog: Same features and function. 120 gb drive 33 percent smaller, 36 percent lighter That's $299, 299 euros, 29980 yen That will be the price for the current ps3 starting tomorrow (also)which current ps3 though? the 80GB or the 120GB? i'm guessing the 120GB since the slim is announced to be that capacity, but does that mean the 80 is even less?
vgachi57 said: Paperbag said: update: Sony just confirmed this at Gamescon (following a kotaku live blog). They said stores early Sept (first week). Note that Kmart.com lists 8/24/09 still.
from the blog: Same features and function. 120 gb drive 33 percent smaller, 36 percent lighter That's $299, 299 euros, 29980 yen That will be the price for the current ps3 starting tomorrow (also)which current ps3 though? the 80GB or the 120GB? i'm guessing the 120GB since the slim is announced to be that capacity, but does that mean the 80 is even less?
I think it will be $100 off across the board. But not %100 sure yet. Another kotaku article with supposed real pictures (see comments) of the slim here. I think it will be a bit before we get mainstream press on this.
Paperbag said: I think it will be $100 off across the board. But not %100 sure yet. Another kotaku article with supposed real pictures (see comments) of the slim here. I think it will be a bit before we get mainstream press on this.I guess that's my question. The current 120GB retails 499. The 80GB is 399. If the slim is 120GB for 299 and prices are going to match, does that mean the current 120GB is 299 and 80GB is 199? Or just a $100 price slash which sucks and people might as well not buy one til September. EDIT: oops, the current larger one is 160GB, not 120.
cnIsfg said: Well it is obvious you work for Sony or at the very least have no clue how to search. Hint try Googling "Sony Playstation recall"
I did. There's a recall of Playstation power adapters. There's a joke article on teamxbox.com. There's no recall for playstation 2 found.
You said: Sony never recalled the 3rd gen PSP. And what, cracked screens? The problem with the 3rd gen PSP is the method under which it refreshes (draws) the screen makes it show interlacing problems, it wasn't a problem with them cracking
WRONG Sony issued a recall global retailer recall in 2007 after UK consumers report recveing untis with crack screens. Once again search is your friend.
The 3rd Gen PSP came out in October 2008, it could not have been recalled in 2007. And again, I did search. Maybe the problem is I searched for "3rd gen" and you can't get that straight. I can't find anything on the cracked screens you talk about even without 3rd gen.
You said" I don't recall PS2 slim production being halted for months, and if it were, there's no way you'd know it was due to faulty components. It's not like companies give reasons for production halts. This sounds like internet lore gone mad."
Wrong! Put down your game controller and try reading the newspaper sometime. The Wall Street journal reported this story in September 2006 and despite your naive claims ALL publically traded companies disclose this type information.
I work for a publicly traded company who makes consumer products and we don't disclose this type of information. Do you have a link, I tried searching, I can't find anyone who will let me search just September 2006. There was a possible halt in early 2006 due to Dual Shock 2 patent issues. This isn't a supplier problem.
Bottom line despite your delusions Sony has a LONG history of providing lower quality problem plagued gaming products once they are forced to reduce pricing substantially. Whether or not that holds true for this next gen PS3 only time will tell but the their prior histry is certainly working against them.
Bottom line is you talk bigger and louder but you have done nothing to support your assertions.
veryhappyman
New Member
posted: Aug. 18, 2009 @ 1:21p
Rams13 said: wonder if the Sony CC will still kick in $100 towards a ps3
It says for purchases equal or greater to 299 ... I was approved yesterday morning. Lucky timing. Assuming SonyStyle.com will actually sell the new PS3.
veryhappyman said: Rams13 said: wonder if the Sony CC will still kick in $100 towards a ps3
It says for purchases equal or greater to 299 ... I was approved yesterday morning. Lucky timing. Assuming SonyStyle.com will actually sell the new PS3.
DCINNJ said: what if you pre-order and Kmart goes out of business =) The way they do pre-order so fast that it almost seems like they are running out of cash...
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