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g0dMAn said:Can you RAID with these boxes? I'm wondering what's so good about it... It doesn't do RAID but it does do file duplication across multiple drives if you select it in the options. Practically as good as RAID 1.
Hello people?!?! It's Media Server with a whole different purpose. It's running WHS and designed specifically in a home environment to stream media throughout your home and also out of it, as well as backing up to it. Apples & Oranges. Plenty of power for what it's designed to do. Green from me anyway.
fatluncher said:So..... You're paying $300 for a Celeron and a 750GB drive? And that's worth a green?
I don't get this at all. All of us have more impressive hardware in our closets and attics than this thing.
And anyone who has enough interest in a home server can google 'home server linux' and find http://www.amahi.org/ (which actually looks pretty sweet)
Like I said, I don't get how this is a deal at all.
Here we go with the "I can build it cheaper argument" which always surfaces on the WHS threads. The MediaSmart server is completely different than building something with parts on your own or the $100 Dell Server deals. This is a great deal OP.
hammer45 said:fatluncher said:So..... You're paying $300 for a Celeron and a 750GB drive? And that's worth a green?
I don't get this at all. All of us have more impressive hardware in our closets and attics than this thing.
And anyone who has enough interest in a home server can google 'home server linux' and find http://www.amahi.org/ (which actually looks pretty sweet)
Like I said, I don't get how this is a deal at all.
Here we go with the "I can build it cheaper argument" which always surfaces on the WHS threads. The MediaSmart server is completely different than building something with parts on your own or the $100 Dell Server deals. This is a great deal OP.
My dog is bigger than your dog. Now, we got that out the way.
Can you tell me WHY this is a great deal? I've said twice I don't get it. You're telling me this is a good deal but apparently you can't tell me why.
Comparing this and an IBM xSeries is apples and oranges... I love my IBM xSeries, but it is an energy hog.. but I run VMware ESX on it with 6 VM's. This Mediasmart thing is a glorified Celeron 2.0GHz with enough ooompf to throw stuff at odd home media devices and send data over Gigabit.
I like the concept, but this model's processor lacks.
The energy consumption of a Celeron is very low though. My xSeries runs 2 xeon processors and probably eats 150 watts on average.
Message edited by: jnheinz on 2009-11-04 11:53:22 CST
If you do the math, you'll find that WHS can be bought for $100 right now (it was $91 last month). The 1TB and 750GB drives will cost you say $75 and $50 (let's not get nit picky here). So now your at $225. Basically you're paying $150ish for an outdated CPU, barebones mobo with no video, 2GB DDR, a quality case with nice form factor and decent power supply. Really not such a good deal hardware wise, but consider that the unit is ready to go out of the box (no installation of software and no labor to build), free tech support and a relatively hassle free warranty that covers the entire product, it's a reasonable deal and an excellent solution for many people.
If you have the need for a server, you most likely have at least some hardware laying around. The more hardware you have, the less appealing the HP is. I had practically everything sitting in a bin in my basement and was able to build my server for the cost of WHS and a gigabit NIC. And it smokes the HP...
clambert11 said:Hello people?!?! It's Media Server with a whole different purpose. It's running WHS and designed specifically in a home environment to stream media throughout your home and also out of it, as well as backing up to it. Apples & Oranges. Plenty of power for what it's designed to do. Green from me anyway.
Hello people?!?! Everything is a media server today. Big deal. EVEN IF you don't want to play with any number of point and click linux installs you can just download VLC and it runs as an application on a Windows box.
I'm just totally perplexed that people geeky enough that they need their own media server are naive enough to pay this much money for a Celeron -- especially when 20 bucks says they have a P4 (or better) sitting in a closet.
I keep saying I don't get the deal and so far, nobody has been willing to share the deep dark secret that makes this a deal. If it's a deal for you ok fine but I don't get it.
flenn said:If you do the math, you'll find that WHS can be bought for $100 right now (it was $91 last month). The 1TB and 750GB drives will cost you say $75 and $50 (let's not get nit picky here). So now your at $225. Basically you're paying $150ish for an outdated CPU, barebones mobo with no video, 2GB DDR, a quality case with nice form factor and decent power supply. Really not such a good deal hardware wise, but consider that the unit is ready to go out of the box (no installation of software and no labor to build), free tech support and a relatively hassle free warranty that covers the entire product, it's a reasonable deal and an excellent solution for many people.
OK you at least make a credible case for it... I still disagree with the DEAL part but at least you make a reasonable case for the product... for people who are willing to pay a few bucks more...
Thanks for that... I don't fully agree but you make sense.
flenn said:If you have the need for a server, you most likely have at least some hardware laying around. The more hardware you have, the less appealing the HP is. I had practically everything sitting in a bin in my basement and was able to build my server for the cost of WHS and a gigabit NIC. And it smokes the HP...
Well that was my point. If you're geeky enough for your own server, you can get your hands on a celeron box for ~essentially~ free.
Message edited by: fatluncher on 2009-11-04 07:40:37 CST
Also, for those that think WHS is just a media server, here's a quick summary of what it can do:
Centralized Backup - Allows scheduled backups of up to 10 PCs Health Monitoring - Can centrally track the health of all PCs on the network, including antivirus and firewall status. File Sharing - Offers network shares for up to 10 PCs Printer Sharing - print server for networked PCs Remote Access Gateway - Allows remote access through internet to any server files or connected PC's (use them as if you're sitting in front of them) Media Streaming - Can stream media devices supporting Windows Media Connect. Selective Data redundancy - Guards against a single drive failure by duplicating selected data across multiple drives. Extensibility through Add-Ins - Add-Ins allow third-party developers to extend functionality Server Backup - Backs up files which are stored within shared folders on the server to an external hard drive.
flenn said:Also, for those that think WHS is just a media server, here's a quick summary of what it can do:
Centralized Backup - Allows scheduled backups of up to 10 PCs Health Monitoring - Can centrally track the health of all PCs on the network, including antivirus and firewall status. File Sharing - Offers network shares for up to 10 PCs Printer Sharing - print server for networked PCs Remote Access Gateway - Allows remote access through internet to any server files or connected PC's (use them as if you're sitting in front of them) Media Streaming - Can stream media devices supporting Windows Media Connect. Selective Data redundancy - Guards against a single drive failure by duplicating selected data across multiple drives. Extensibility through Add-Ins - Add-Ins allow third-party developers to extend functionality Server Backup - Backs up files which are stored within shared folders on the server to an external hard drive.
And don't forget that the HP MediaSmart Software is pretty well liked and extends the WHS built in functionality that you have mentioned above.
Message edited by: nhenny2005 on 2009-11-04 07:50:40 CST
flenn said:Also, for those that think WHS is just a media server, here's a quick summary of what it can do:
Well I wasn't impressed by the $100 price point vs the 10,000 alternatives out there... but you mention enough features that it seems fair especially if the support is behind it.
I'm still not sold on the hardware side but that's me.
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