mongaloid23 said: ezwrighter said: No Operating System...
Just load your current one on there. Problem Solved.
Not really. It depends upon the type of license etc. You cant just blindly do this. For some OS's, you get only one activation. You may need to call and transfer the license etc. Obviously vendor will ensure that previous installation doesnt work. Also, if the license is from Dell etc, OS disk will not work on a non Dell machine.
darkessenz21 said: Whaddaya think? Seems like premo stuff, about 150 or so more than preconfig stuff from PCConnection or bestbuy with a much faster processor. Coincidentally I ordered the same CPU, ram and motherboard from Newegg the other day. There are also combo deals for the ram+cpu and motherboard+cpu, just not very hot (as hot as Newegg goes at any rate).
That said, it is a barebone combo. But you know how combo deals are--more SKU you buy more money they make, even if you also save more money total. But more SKU is in on the combo, the less barebone it is. Which is why I didn't take this deal since I want to customize my PC and already have pre-existing parts I wanted to use (case, PSU, HDD) so I didn't go for it. So the deal is only good if you already know what you're doing and want to build your own PC. Both the i5 and that Gigabyte board are great for overclockers, for example. That ram runs at DDR3 1600, which means you'll probably have to tweak your BIOS to get it to run at that speed. It's probably not meant for casual PC users.
chorneeble
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posted: Nov. 20, 2009 @ 1:59p
The HDD is 1.5 TB, not 1.5 GB... Sorry to nitpick.
ComeOnNow said: mongaloid23 said: ezwrighter said: No Operating System...
Just load your current one on there. Problem Solved.
Not really. It depends upon the type of license etc. You cant just blindly do this. For some OS's, you get only one activation. You may need to call and transfer the license etc. Obviously vendor will ensure that previous installation doesnt work. Also, if the license is from Dell etc, OS disk will not work on a non Dell machine.
i have transferred several Dell xp licenses to new builds, not a problem, it just required xp install disks... the worst case was that i had to call the automated microsoft licensing phone number and make sure that they understood that the license was going to stay with the cpu box, as in, for example, i had to do a motherboard replacement... you can't get a motherboard replacement for these old dells, so microsoft has to allow the license to be used.
i don't have a clue what you are talking about with "one activation", but the correct answer is to load your current microsoft o.s. on there, period.
osv1 said: the worst case was that i had to call the automated microsoft licensing phone number and make sure that they understood that the license was going to stay with the cpu box, as in, for example, i had to do a motherboard replacement... you can't get a motherboard replacement for these old dells, so microsoft has to allow the license to be used.
i don't have a clue what you are talking about with "one activation", but the correct answer is to load your current microsoft o.s. on there, period.
Retail OS with one license can be activated one time. If you reinstall on a different machine, you will need to call as you have indicated. In this case, that scenario is going to play out. All I am saying is, its not straight forward and of course using the same OS(with one license) on two machines simulateously also makes it .. not legal.
MS OEM license - you install it, that's where it stays, attached to that "PC". Some would assert if you swap the mobo even though it is the "same PC" that you may be denied, particularly when swapping an OEM board with something else. That's a big YMMV. In short, it is stated in a couple places around the web that if you junk a PC, the OEM license gets junked with it.
MS Retail license - you install, remove it, install it somewhere else, you may have to call to get the activation done manually, but the license allows you to move the installation as long as the OS is installed only once. Virtual machines require their own licenses, even if on the same physical machine.
i don't have a clue what you are talking about with "one activation", but the correct answer is to load your current microsoft o.s. on there, period. Given that this kit includes both a CPU and motherboard, I don't see what "current microsoft o.s." is getting loaded on this kit legally, unless it is a retail license you are redeploying or a volume license.
seattle98052
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posted: Nov. 20, 2009 @ 2:59p
What about this one : http://dealnews.com/Dell-Vostro-430-Core-i5-2.66-GHz-Desktop-PC-w-24-LCD-for-849-free-shipping/330294.html . It looks a better deal .
So, the Dell is basically a computer for 630 (monitor goes for 220 on Amazon). It includes less hard drive space, but an optical drive & an OS. It also may not have a good PSU for a better video card, though it does have a better included card.
darkessenz21 said: So, the Dell is basically a computer for 630 (monitor goes for 220 on Amazon). It includes less hard drive space, but an optical drive & an OS. It also may not have a good PSU for a better video card, though it does have a better included card.
If you can put together a system, your components are key. I would rather have the mid size tower over the Dell mini-tower. The Dell MOBO is proprietary and I'd rather have the Gigabyte. No question the Raidmax power supply is better than the Dell - they ususally put in a 430W PS for their mini-towers. When I build my own the cost is usually a little more than a pre-built with similar specs, but the quality of the components is better. Of couse the build quality can be better or worse, depending on your skills...
XP licenses can usually be transferred by calling the activation number and telling them your mobo got swapped out (essentially a new computer). Vista and 7 licenses are most likely OEM SLIC and are tied to a specific string in the BIOS that won't be present on your homebuild PC. Lots of mobos let you mod the BIOS so you can add SLIC info and run OEM OS though.
Actually, here it is http://www.box.net/shared/gde75mu1zo
If you update THIS mobo's BIOS with that one, you should be able to run OEM Vista/7 on this mobo and have it auto-activate provided you install the OEM CERT.
coolT said: If you can put together a system, your components are key. I would rather have the mid size tower over the Dell mini-tower. The Dell MOBO is proprietary and I'd rather have the Gigabyte. No question the Raidmax power supply is better than the Dell - they ususally put in a 430W PS for their mini-towers. When I build my own the cost is usually a little more than a pre-built with similar specs, but the quality of the components is better. Of couse the build quality can be better or worse, depending on your skills... Also you get way more freedom. Good luck running Crossfire in that Dell...
casino3
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posted: Nov. 20, 2009 @ 3:57p
its a nice deal move your dvd drive over and get a nice V-card and your set. You can find Win7 for 49 bucks just know what your doing when it comes to the build. go through bing first and get 2% CashBack
MS OEM license - you install it, that's where it stays, attached to that "PC". Some would assert if you swap the mobo even though it is the "same PC" that you may be denied, particularly when swapping an OEM board with something else. That's a big YMMV.
MS Retail license - you install, remove it, install it somewhere else, you may have to call to get the activation done manually, but the license allows you to move the installation as long as the OS is installed only once. Virtual machines require their own licenses, even if on the same physical machine.
Given that this kit includes both a CPU and motherboard, I don't see what "current microsoft o.s." is getting loaded on this kit legally, unless it is a retail license you are redeploying or a volume license.
MS OEM license - you install it, that's where it stays, attached to that "PC". Some would assert if you swap the mobo even though it is the "same PC" that you may be denied, particularly when swapping an OEM board with something else. That's a big YMMV. In short, it is stated in a couple places around the web that if you junk a PC, the OEM license gets junked with it.
it's easy to get confused when you quote "a couple of places around the web"... perhaps you would have better luck quoting us the specific text in the eula that requires you to junk the license when you junk a defective motherboard, or a defective hard drive, or a defective video card, etc.
of course, you won't be able to do that... although i would agree that while the spirit and intent of eula is something along those lines, it's not an enforceable contract, which is why microsoft made it so non-specific.
worst case, we are advocating transferring what may be an oem license onto totally new hardware, while junking all of the oem hardware... it would probably be a violation, but perhaps if we kept the original oem dvd-rom drive, we would be o.k.? unknown, because microsoft doesn't spell out any specific hardware limitations in the eula... you won't see the terms "hard drive" or "motherboard" or "case" in the eula.
here is one microsoft interpretation of their own eula, but it is not a legally binding agreement of any kind:
"Education Operating System Licensing Q&A
Please Note: This Q&A is provided solely for informational purposes. Your use of Microsoft Software Products is governed by the terms and conditions of your licensing agreement.
1.What is the difference between OEM product and Full-Packaged Product (FPP)? ANSWER. OEM products are intended to be preinstalled on hardware before the end user purchases the product. They are “shrink wrapped” and do not come in a box like the retail products do. Full-Packaged Product (FPP) is boxed with CD(s), manuals, and the EULA and is sold in retail stores in individual boxes. The End User License Agreements (commonly referred to as “EULAs”) for OEM and FPP products are slightly different. One main difference is that an OEM operating system license (such as the license for Windows) cannot be transferred from its original PC to another PC. However, the FPP version of Windows may be transferred to another PC as long as the EULA, manual and media (such as the backup CD) accompany the transfer to the other PC. Also, when a customer purchases an OEM product, the OEM license requires the OEM to provide support for the product.
2.How do I know whether I have a genuine OEM license for my operating system? ANSWER. Microsoft has a website that helps customers determine if they have acquired genuine Microsoft products at http://www.microsoft.com/howtotell. After reviewing the site, if you believe that your Microsoft product may be suspect or counterfeit, you should report this suspected piracy in the tool provided on the website. Alternatively, you may call 1-800-RULEGIT or e-mail piracy@microsoft.com to report any suspected counterfeit or pirated software.
3.What do I do if I realize that I do not have a full license for Windows, or if I received a donated PC that did not come with an operating system license? ANSWER. If you do not have a genuine operating system license, you can acquire a Full-Packaged Product (FPP) version of the product from your local retail store. Or you may purchase an OEM version of an operating system from a Microsoft System Builder, subject to the requirement that you purchase hardware with that OEM version of the product. At that time, you should receive a genuine EULA, Certificate of Authenticity (COA), and manual. Visit the Microsoft How to Tell website to determine whether you have genuine software and licensing; http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell.
4.Can I transfer my operating system license from an old PC to a new one? ANSWER. Not unless it was purchased as a Full-Packaged Product from a retail store (i.e., Windows in a box). Current OEM licenses for all Microsoft operating system products are not transferable from one machine to another. The End User License Agreement (EULA) governs the terms for transfer of licenses. Some EULAs for copies of certain older OEM operating system products (i.e., MS-DOS®, Windows® 3.1, and Windows for Workgroups 3.1) distributed in 1995 or earlier may permit transfer of the OEM operating system software license under limited circumstances. (See Software Product Transfer section of your End User License Agreement.)
5. If I “retire” a PC with an OEM license on it, can I use that software on a new PC? ANSWER. No. To put it simply, OEM product is “married” to the original PC on which it was installed. Current OEM licenses are not transferable from one machine to another. The software cannot be moved from PC to PC, even if the original PC it was installed on is no longer in use. This is true for all OEM software – operating systems and applications.
6.Rather than purchase completely new PCs, my organization performs in-place upgrades to the hardware on many of our computers. We often times only replace the motherboard, processor, and memory. Since the COA is still on the case and the OS is still installed on the hard drive, this computer is still licensed, right? ANSWER. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your computer and maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer." Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from one computer to another. Therefore, if the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer has been created, the original license expires, and a new full operating system license (not upgrade) is required. This is true even if the computer is covered under Software Assurance or other Volume License programs.
7. If I upgrade some of my PC components, do I have to purchase a new operating system? ANSWER. The answer depends on the components that are upgraded or changed in the PC. The operating system licenses must remain with the device that retains the motherboard, chipsets, and chassis that include the serial number of the device. The operating system may be installed on a new/replacement hard drive as long as the operating system is first removed from the old hard drive.
Please refer to the section on “Modifications to hardware and how they affect the activation status of Windows XP” in the following link for a more detailed explanation regarding specific hardware changes. The same hardware component changes that can be made to a PC before requiring re-activation of Windows XP are the same changes that can be made before a PC is considered to be “new” - and when a new license for OEM software is required.
maddogchen said: For a person who hasn't built a computer since 1999, how hard is this to put together?
In my opinion, easier. Just follow the instructions with each part and it's a walk in the park. If you aren't sure, you can google it now and find plenty of resources to help you.
sklar said: Yep, if you want a weak cheap machine, buy AMD and cackle about the value.
I'll stick with paying a few dollars extra for a much better, more efficient processor.
I have 4 four of these, 3 dual cores(including an efficient 45w 5050e processor) + 1 Quad core(9950). I dont see how your claim stands. Yes they were cheaper than intel. So what? Thats the idea and performance has been good. I run 42" TV on HTPC machine w/3 1-TB discs without any issue.
There is nothing wrong with buying Intel, but dont claim AMD is worse unless you have something to back up on. Newest processors from AMD are actually more power efficient. My next HTPC high end build will be around/under $300 including 1HD, a nice 2480 Antec box, 4gb memory a good Gigabyte board with an *AMD* processor.
ComeOnNow said: coolT said: ..And ignore that slanderous remark about AMD having better performance/price...Intel rules!
Any proof of it? Its AMD by a long shot for price/performance ratio.
Also, you dont get any instructions when you buy the components. You need to figure out from the provided spec of each component what goes where.
Hey come on now, don't get sore and start negging people. Its generally agreed that the i7 beats its AMD competition. The argument is by how much and whether its significant and worth the extra cost - Here's a little taste of the arguments http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2331&page=4. I've built 4 computers and 2 are Intel, two are AMD. I'm not an expert and since I can do it, I know that anyone who wants to spend a little time can do it too.
The instructions that I refer to regard the motherboard and making sure the connections for the hard drive lights, reset button, etc are hooked up correctly. Each component will have some instructions and it worth your while to read through before trying to install. People fry components all the time with incorrect installation.
coolT said: Its generally agreed that the i7 beats its AMD competition. The argument is by how much and whether its significant and worth the extra cost In case its not clear, you are agreeing with me here. I said price to performance ratio and not absolute cost. I am certain intel offers better performance but not for the price. coolT said: I've built 4 computers and 2 are Intel, two are AMD. I'm not an expert and since I can do it, I know that anyone who wants to spend a little time can do it too. I concur. I never said anything otherwise. I did provide the link which shows step by step instructions. coolT said: The instructions that I refer to regard the motherboard and making sure the connections for the hard drive lights, reset button, etc are hooked up correctly. Each component will have some instructions and it worth your while to read through before trying to install. That is what I said. These are not same as step by step instructions, link of which I provided. I never claimed it was difficult.
ComeOnNow said: coolT said: Its generally agreed that the i7 beats its AMD competition. The argument is by how much and whether its significant and worth the extra cost In case its not clear, you are agreeing with me here. I said price to performance ratio and not absolute cost. I am certain intel offers better performance but not for the price.
Not to be nitpicky, but I'm not agreeing. I'm of the opinion that the greater performance justifies the slightly higher price - just like the article I cited. I'm well aware that this is debateable as each CPU seems to have areas that it does well in. How one defines performance to price ultimately determines which brand is selected. In any case, I think we both agree that building your own computer is not difficult and worthwhile. The link you provided is excellent in walking one through building a pc - especially simce it uses a Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 CPU(sorry, couldn't help it!).
travfar said: I think the Gateway FX i7 that comes around TD all the time for around $700 is a better deal. It's an i7, comes with OS and a 4850 GPU.
Yeah, even with buying the components on sale, you really can't beat the price of big mfr computer when its on sale. What you do get is the satisfaction of selecting the components you want (ie, motherboard, psu, drives) and the brand you want. I know I can get a 1 TB option on a Dell, but is it a WD Caviar Black edition? Also some things can't be optioned, like the undersized psu that the Gateway is likely to come with. And finally as rotinoma pointed out, options like Crossfire are may not be possible with the mfr motherboard.
coolT said: ComeOnNow said: coolT said: Its generally agreed that the i7 beats its AMD competition. The argument is by how much and whether its significant and worth the extra cost In case its not clear, you are agreeing with me here. I said price to performance ratio and not absolute cost. I am certain intel offers better performance but not for the price.
Not to be nitpicky, but I'm not agreeing. I'm of the opinion that the greater performance justifies the slightly higher price - just like the article I cited. I'm well aware that this is debateable as each CPU seems to have areas that it does well in. How one defines performance to price ultimately determines which brand is selected. In any case, I think we both agree that building your own computer is not difficult and worthwhile. The link you provided is excellent in walking one through building a pc - especially simce it uses a Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 CPU(sorry, couldn't help it!).
You are doing nothing to dispute what I said: Price to performance is better for AMD. You are opining that its ok to pay higher price for performance: which implies that you are paying higher, strengthening my argument(although you dont want to).
As mentioned earlier, I never said or imply its harder to build a PC. Also, I am not anti-Intel as you seem to be indicating.
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