FW is a business. Therefore it is dependent on its customers paying their bills. I'm sure Tim would not be happy if Dell deadbeated on their advertising payments or if a FatCash merchant deadbeated on commission payments. I'm sure FW expects its accounts receivable to be paid in a timely manner. I'm really sure that Fat Wallet staff expects their paychecks to be delivered on time.
So how come every time a new poster comes along looking for a scheme to get out of paying for services legitimately rendered, FW staff protects them from being condemned for their actions? Any post legitimately attacking the OP is deleted by the mods.
Doesn't FW staff understand that coddling deadbeats is wrong from both a moral and business perspective? Forget the moral argument - don't you understand that deadbeats will not be good members for FW? I'd bet that the users you have the most trouble with (trying to scam FatCash, multiple trouble tickets, not reading the FatCash FAQs etc.) are users who don't have good bill payment history.
You say: Any post legitimately attacking the OP is deleted by the mods. The thread above is not about the morality of paying one's debts, it's about what to do when your bills have been turned over to a collection agency. Attacking the OP is off-topic and unnecessary.
If you don't have anything useful to add, just ignore the thread.
And I find it hard to believe there's a correlation between a user's debt and the number of trouble tickets they generate.
RallyCap
Senior Member
posted: Feb. 12, 2005 @ 10:14p
1) My question is directed at FW staff NOT you jayK 2) Your linked thread is one of a dozen I referring to. 3) Your linked thread is how to avoid paying for services rendered (or how to avoid negative consequences of not paying) 4) I believe there is a correlation between those that are trying to scam FatWallet and those that don't pay their bills.
So my question stands: WHY DOES FW STAFF CODDLE DEADBEATS?
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Feb. 12, 2005 @ 10:16p
RallyCap said: 1) My question is directed at FW staff NOT you jayKIf you want to ask the FW staff a question directly, you can contact them here:
colebert said: why does FW coddle retards like me and the OP?
Is it just me or do I hear the sound of a Black Hawk nearby...
RallyCap
Senior Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2005 @ 12:17p
sandybutt said: Why are you PMing the other guy calling him a deadbeat ? Why are you harrasing him? It's funny. Someone will post a link in OT and ask us to vote for them in some contest. The mods will jump all over that like the OP's worse than Hitler. Someone will post some scam to use a 50 cent off chicken coupon for pork instead, and they'll get incinerated. But someone posts about defrauding creditors and all of a sudden they're part of some untouchable, protected class?
Gee, maybe Tim should decide one week he has other priorities than paying his staff. Wonder how long the good feelings towards deadbeats will last?
aggie04ci
Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2005 @ 12:39p
i feel sorry for you rally. i do
mcwhitman
Broke Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2005 @ 1:27p
RallyCap said: sandybutt said: Why are you PMing the other guy calling him a deadbeat ? Why are you harrasing him? It's funny. Someone will post a link in OT and ask us to vote for them in some contest. The mods will jump all over that like the OP's worse than Hitler. Someone will post some scam to use a 50 cent off chicken coupon for pork instead, and they'll get incinerated. But someone posts about defrauding creditors and all of a sudden they're part of some untouchable, protected class?
Gee, maybe Tim should decide one week he has other priorities than paying his staff. Wonder how long the good feelings towards deadbeats will last?\\
Where's this chicken coupon....
RallyCap
Senior Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2005 @ 2:00p
aggie04ci said: i feel sorry for you rally. i do Of course you do. You feel sorry for all the "suckers" who PAY THEIR BILLS and contribute to society rather than living off it.
colebert said: PartialwrtX said: colebert said: why does FW coddle retards like me and the OP?
Is it just me or do I hear the sound of a Black Hawk nearby...
i am currently in negotiations with Iran to purchase 100ct of stinger missles.
they weren't amused when i tried to PM to China.
Oh well, i'll just put it on my starwood card and use the miles to take a trip to the Congo.
Wait before you leave on your journey how much did they want for thoose missles? I might know a few fw members interested in resuming negotiations with them.
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Feb. 13, 2005 @ 3:02p
helptnt said: Wait before you leave on your journey how much did they want for thoose missles? I might know a few fw members interested in resuming negotiations with them.The real question is: Why does FatWallet coddle arms dealers? This is an outrage! It's well-known that arms dealers generate more trouble tickets.
jayK said: helptnt said: Wait before you leave on your journey how much did they want for thoose missles? I might know a few fw members interested in resuming negotiations with them.The real question is: Why does FatWallet coddle arms dealers? This is an outrage! It's well-known that arms dealers generate more trouble tickets.
what about arms dealers w/ 2K in CB over the last 6 months?
I don't see the O/P of that thread as a scammer. He has a legitimate complaint about something that is a common problem to many people. His wife had a baby at the hospital and now they are getting reamed by medical bills.
I myself currently have a similar problem with this issue. I have 100% coverage for medical care, yet after taking my Son to the hospital, I'm suddenly getting bills from providers stating that the amount paid to them under my insurance does not cover the cost of their service.
Although these providers are working at the hospital, they deem themselves as independent contractors and after the service, you are being charged beyond the amount deemed appropriate for their services by the insurance company. Please note: at the time the service is rendered, you are not advised how much their service is costing you. Furthermore, the hospital does not send you any bills since the amount they receive in payment from the insurance company after deductions is the amount they accept.
Long story short, medical providers send in bills which are well above the amount that is deemed as reasonable billing by insurance companies, medicare, medicaid etc. and these doctors receive an amount for their services based upon a medical fee schedule. Why should a consumer have to pay inflated charges for medical care? I do not believe the O/P was scamming, but rather looking for relief from medical providers who based upon the information in the post, were over charging and forcing this poor guy into financial ruin. There by the grace of God goes I.
I don't agree with using FW for scamming, ripping off retailers by improper acts etc. but in some discussion boards, using other FWs advice in areas where they can help is what FW discussion boards is all about. Ex buying a car, mortgage, fixing credit, rebate issues & wearing contact lenses etc. Maybe I missed something since I only read the O/Ps post.
I don't feel sorry for doctors, hospitals or big businesses. Besides, there are much bigger problems facing the US. I could rattle on about politics for hours but I would like to keep my blood pressure down.
RallyCap said: The coddling of deadbeats continued unabated.Yep, you haven't been banned yet.
I bet you're one of those people who lobby to get TV or radio shows taken off the air because it offends you in some way or you don't like the content, aren't you? Just turn the channel. You don't have to listen to it. No one's forcing you to watch a particular TV show, listen to a particular radio broadcast, or read a particular thread posted on a message board.
If you don't like the discussion, don't read the thread. How hard is that for you to understand?
RallyCap
Senior Member
posted: Mar. 7, 2005 @ 10:09p
HotStuff2 said: If you don't like the discussion, don't read the thread. The same could be said about referral threads, coupon decoding, pyramid schemes, pornographic threads, cable service hacks and recipes for fraud. If these were allowed at FW, I'd have no problem with the deadbeat threads. As you suggested, I just wouldn't read them.
But this is about the hypocrisy of FW not allowing those types of threads, but permitting deadbeats to pollute this forum. Avoiding paying for services rendered is no less immoral than shoplifting, stealing cable, running Nigerian scams etc. So my original questions stands - why are these criminals given a free ride at FW?
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Mar. 8, 2005 @ 7:58a
RallyCap said: But this is about the hypocrisy of FW not allowing those types of threads, but permitting deadbeats to pollute this forum. Avoiding paying for services rendered is no less immoral than shoplifting, stealing cable, running Nigerian scams etc. So my original questions stands - why are these criminals given a free ride at FW?Can you post links to threads that discuss criminal activity?
RallyCap said: HotStuff2 said: If you don't like the discussion, don't read the thread. The same could be said about referral threads, coupon decoding, pyramid schemes, pornographic threads, cable service hacks and recipes for fraud. If these were allowed at FW, I'd have no problem with the deadbeat threads. As you suggested, I just wouldn't read them.
But this is about the hypocrisy of FW not allowing those types of threads, but permitting deadbeats to pollute this forum. Avoiding paying for services rendered is no less immoral than shoplifting, stealing cable, running Nigerian scams etc. So my original questions stands - why are these criminals given a free ride at FW?The only thread you've referenced so far is the one for the person who's medical bills were turned over to a collection agency. How does that make them a criminal? I've read the entire thread, and the OP is askign for help on how to DEAL with the collection agencies, not hwo to avoid paying them. What exactly offended you so much? Why are you taking it so personally?
HotStuff2 said: [Q I've read the entire thread, and the OP is askign for help on how to DEAL with the collection agencies, not hwo to avoid paying them. What exactly offended you so much? Why are you taking it so personally?
Well, duh, he probably runs a collection agency that specializes in medical bills.
RallyCap
Senior Member
posted: Mar. 12, 2005 @ 1:27a
jayK said: Can you post links to threads that discuss criminal activity? Another FW classic. MOVE the savings to a relitive [sic], under the mattress, etc , wait 60 days and file against it. Do Not loose [sic] your savings which they can attach... Hurry
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Mar. 12, 2005 @ 6:22p
RallyCap said: jayK said: Can you post links to threads that discuss criminal activity? Another FW classic. MOVE the savings to a relitive [sic], under the mattress, etc , wait 60 days and file against it. Do Not loose [sic] your savings which they can attach... HurryDoesn't sound like a discussion of criminal activity to me...sounds like someone gave bad advice, and most of the replies in the thread rejected that advice.
If it bothers you that much, click the Alert Moderators button next to the post.
RallyCap
Senior Member
posted: Mar. 14, 2005 @ 6:49p
jayK said: If it bothers you that much, click the Alert Moderators button next to the post. The WHOLE point of this thread is that the mods coddle deadbeats and do not delete their unethical posts.
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Mar. 14, 2005 @ 11:25p
RallyCap said: jayK said: If it bothers you that much, click the Alert Moderators button next to the post. The WHOLE point of this thread is that the mods coddle deadbeats and do not delete their unethical posts.I'm curious, what was Steve's response to your accusation of "coddling deadbeats"? I'm assuming you alerted the mods, and you followed the instructions on the PM from Moderator.
medo
Mother Superior
posted: Mar. 15, 2005 @ 9:44a
RallyCap said: If the hospitals weren't overrun with poor people looking for a free meal and a free bed, these things wouldn't happen.
you're just an angry little man, huh?
nothing FW or anyone else does will make you happy.
RallyCap
Senior Member
posted: Mar. 15, 2005 @ 11:43a
medo said: RallyCap said: If the hospitals weren't overrun with poor people looking for a free meal and a free bed, these things wouldn't happen.
you're just an angry little man, huh?
nothing FW or anyone else does will make you happy. People paying their bills makes me ecstatic.
P.S. Bringing up out-of-context quotes from other threads seems like threadcrapping to me. I thought you were above that medo? Why the personal attacks?
medo
Mother Superior
posted: Mar. 15, 2005 @ 12:10p
RallyCap said: medo said: RallyCap said: If the hospitals weren't overrun with poor people looking for a free meal and a free bed, these things wouldn't happen.
you're just an angry little man, huh?
nothing FW or anyone else does will make you happy. People paying their bills makes me ecstatic.
P.S. Bringing up out-of-context quotes from other threads seems like threadcrapping to me. I thought you were above that medo? Why the personal attacks?
actually - it's a good example of you're character. your unprovoked PM to me would be an excellent one, but it's not fit to post.
very sad.
I'm outta your cesspool.
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Mar. 15, 2005 @ 12:20p
jayK said: I'm curious, what was Steve's response to your accusation of "coddling deadbeats"? I'm assuming you alerted the mods, and you followed the instructions on the PM from Moderator.I'm still waiting for a response to this question.
RallyCap
Senior Member
posted: Mar. 15, 2005 @ 12:30p
jayK said: I'm still waiting for a response to this question. You first.
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Mar. 15, 2005 @ 2:01p
RallyCap said: jayK said: I'm still waiting for a response to this question. You first.What question?
medo said: RallyCap said: medo said: RallyCap said: If the hospitals weren't overrun with poor people looking for a free meal and a free bed, these things wouldn't happen.
you're just an angry little man, huh?
nothing FW or anyone else does will make you happy. People paying their bills makes me ecstatic.
P.S. Bringing up out-of-context quotes from other threads seems like threadcrapping to me. I thought you were above that medo? Why the personal attacks?
actually - it's a good example of you're character. your unprovoked PM to me would be an excellent one, but it's not fit to post.
very sad.
I'm outta your cesspool.
Amen to that. Back when I was without a job for a few weeks, that sad loser had nothing better to do that throw pathetic taunts to me in PM. Maybe he was beaten as a child?
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