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zoomerton said:Much more is involved than just the retailer name or free site name (& they wouldn't all be in the search database).
You're right, but I don't like your idea of encouraging members to send me PMs with title suggestions. No thanks. And what happens when someone posts a really great deal with a really bad title? That may be annoying, but it isn't an excuse to flood that person with PMs. And how could the title be automatically changed, as you mentioned, if there are 50 different suggestions? And what if a suggested title is something worse than the original? I don't believe anything like this could work, but I think that a slightly better concept would be to have the title suggestion visible in the thread. Then X number of votes by other members would change the title of the thread (similar to the dead flag). But that still wouldn't solve the problem of bad suggested titles. I just don't think there is a good way for title changes to be automated. And considering what I've seen members do with the Quick Summary, I really don't think they can or should be trusted to change thread titles. People would suggest titles like "DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!!!!" and "Not Hot."


everyone said:Make date the default sort method.


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Currently, if I search for for a particular user's posts (including my own) in other people's threads, the search returns the entire thread, then you have to open the thread, click "print" to open the entire thread in one window and search again using Windows "control+F" to find posts by the individual user name. I'd like the search feature to give me the choice of the entire thread, or just the posts made by the user name I specified in the first place. So, if I search for posts by "titewad", then I have to option to have only the content of my individual posts appear in the results.

Topic Alerts may not be considered searches, but I think they are, so I have a suggestion for them too. Topic alerts should only alert to "words", not part of a word. For example, if I setup a topic alert for "free", I get alerts for "freedom", "stayfree maxie pads", etc., which is not what I want. Also, topic alerts are returning hits on the content of a post instead of the thread title. I'll let others chime in on this, but I think the alerts should only search the title, not the entire post as it does now.

I have another suggestion which is somewhat search related by not directly. In order to mark a thread I'm interested in, I have to subscribe to it which means I get a notice every time someone posts to it. I'd like to see another option for "bookmarking" a thread. Yes, I know I can bookmark in Internet Explorer, but if the thread is moved, and we know how much that happens at FW, then my bookmark is no longer valid. I'd like to be able to click a "bookmark" button which would cause the thread to appear in the "Today" FW forum under a new section called bookmarked threads, and let FW automatically update the the links if the threads are moved from one forum to another. Bookmarking threads would greatly reduce my need for searches and I'm sure other users would feel the same way, plus I don't get an email for every new post.


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edbenckert said:
Second, and this one drive me NUTS: Allow and/or in searches. If I search for Home Depot, I get Dell Home, Office Depot, Pioneer Home Theatre, etc.

SOmetimes you NEED more than one word to better define/restrict your searches. My only way to search for Home Depot searches is to search for depot, then skim over the Office Depot posts.

PLEASE add 'AND' to your searches!


I agree, this is THE biggest annoyance. Being able to use typical search criteria such as Quotes, +, -, would be a HUGE improvement. I've tried it here and it just doesn't work.

We can then be able to search
"Home Depot"
+Staples +coupon
etc


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MechanicalMan said:zoomerton said:Much more is involved than just the retailer name or free site name (& they wouldn't all be in the search database).
You're right, but I don't like your idea of encouraging members to send me PMs with title suggestions. No thanks. And what happens when someone posts a really great deal with a really bad title? That may be annoying, but it isn't an excuse to flood that person with PMs. And how could the title be automatically changed, as you mentioned, if there are 50 different suggestions? And what if a suggested title is something worse than the original? I don't believe anything like this could work, but I think that a slightly better concept would be to have the title suggestion visible in the thread. Then X number of votes by other members would change the title of the thread (similar to the dead flag). But that still wouldn't solve the problem of bad suggested titles. I just don't think there is a good way for title changes to be automated. And considering what I've seen members do with the Quick Summary, I really don't think they can or should be trusted to change thread titles. People would suggest titles like "DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!!!!" and "Not Hot."
OPs with good titles wouldn't likely get many or any edit suggestions. OPs with poor undescriptive titles could learn after awhile.

As to how the title could be changed, as I said OP gets PM that includes Accept or Edit or Decline (unless sender is on their Ignore list). There could possibly be a customization choice to not receive any special Title PMs. People who use customization are likely to be better at titling posts too. If any Title PMs were annoying or abusive they could be saved (not deleted) & reported to a Moderator. Those abusing this idea could be prevented from further using it.

As to multiple title change suggestions, OP could choose which if any they want to Accept or Edit. Multiple suggestions do negate my idea of automatically implementing if OP doesn't login for x # of days. There, you have a good point.

I disagree with your thought of voting on title changes, as voting is too easily abused. Also, title suggestions placed in the thread would not help the forum view in deciding whether to open a thread.

What I believe many of us can agree is that fixing the title/subject current situation is a significant part of fixing the whole poor search mess as you can't do a good search for something that's not there to be found. So perhaps starting a thread should also include certain checkboxes & certain fields to fill in.


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zoomerton said:OPs with good titles wouldn't likely get many or any edit suggestions. OPs with poor undescriptive titles could learn after awhile.
I think you're wrong.

As to how the title could be changed, as I said...
You want to send these people PMs. And how is that going to help? If they were present and interested in changing the titles, they would do it when a title change is requested in a thread. What makes you think that a PM will get a different result? There's no reason to believe that would be effective. And people won't appreciate being flooded with PMs.

I disagree with your thought of voting on title changes, as voting is too easily abused.
Members are already able to vote for a dead flag, rate threads, rate replies, and change the QS...right?

Also, title suggestions placed in the thread would not help the forum view in deciding whether to open a thread.
Seems like you missed the point. Anyhow, I said it wasn't a good idea. Nothing like that would work well.


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Give each post within a tread a # so i can tell friends to look at post #... for some important or other info

thank you thegreatfixer


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MechanicalMan said:If they were present and interested in changing the titles, they would do it when a title change is requested in a thread. What makes you think that a PM will get a different result?

Members are already able to vote for a dead flag, rate threads, rate replies, and change the QS...right?
You're question assumes that people who create poor titles even khow how to Edit or that they even go back to read all comments in the thread just because they were the OP. That's why I think it's different.

I do see how opposed you are to the suggestion & that's why I added to allow opting out in customization. That would allow those open to help the opportunity to receive it in an easy way with a 1 click Accept or Decline (or Edit).

Your statement above on voting is yes accurate but doesn't address the point that it's flawed (not the topic here but I was just replying to your earlier point on voting title changes could be abused even more than other voting).


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zoomerton said:What I believe many of us can agree is that fixing the title/subject current situation is a significant part of fixing the whole poor search mess as you can't do a good search for something that's not there to be found. So perhaps starting a thread should also include certain checkboxes & certain fields to fill in.

I agree with this suggestion and in fact, I emailed Tim a few years ago with the same suggestion. I recommended that titles be created by filling out out a form that requested manufacturer name, model, item desciption, price, store, and start and end dates - if applicable, plus check boxes to indicate AR/FAR/PM/AC/B&M etc., and free form text that would tacked onto the end of the title. Wouldn't it be nice to have relevant, consistent, searchable titles without "Hotter than the sun!!!!" and other irrelevant prefixes? This way, all the pertinent info is right at the begining of the title, which even makes reading the titles and detemining if the deal applies to you much easier. How many threads have you opened just to find out the deal was only available at Fry's or Microcenter B&M when you live nowhere near the retailer?

Using this method, we would see thread titles like this:

Sony DEF825 MP3 player 29.99 @ BB 1/15-1/21 AR
Belkin FD2031 G Router 0.00 @ CC 1/22 1/29 FAR
Kitchenaid FP1025MX 5-quart Mixer $149.99 @ Amazon AC, plus free 3-piece cutting board set.

Obviously, not all hot deals are store bought merchandise, but the free form text option would be the only thing that would be displayed in the title if the other fields were left blank so titles like, "Free MS Office 2003 for attending xx event" would still be able to be posted.

Message edited by: titewad on 2006-01-18 17:03:24 CST
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titewad said:
I agree with this suggestion and in fact, I emailed Tim a few years ago with the same suggestion. I recommended that titles be created by filling out out a form that requested manufacturer name, model, item desciption, price, store, and start and end dates - if applicable, plus check boxes to indicate AR/FAR/PM/AC/B&M etc., and free form text that would tacked onto the end of the title. Wouldn't it be nice to have relevant, consistent, searchable titles without "Hotter than the sun!!!!" and other irrelevant prefixes? This way, all the pertinent info is right at the begining of the title, which even makes reading the titles and detemining if the deal applies to you much easier. How many threads have you opened just to find out the deal was only available at Fry's or MIcrocenter B&M when you live nowhere near the retailer?

Using this method, we would see thread titles like this:

Sony DEF825 MP3 player 29.99 @ BB 1/15-1/21 AR
Belkin FD2031 G Router 0.00 @ CC 1/22 1/29 FAR
Kitchenaid FP1025MX 5-cup Mixer $149.99 @ Amazon AC, plus free 3-piece cutting board set.


I for one love the idea. I want to know the store, the item, the price, and any details (PM, AR). I dont care if it's smoking hot. I dont care if it's lukewarm. I don't care for junk like "You wont believe this deal!" I just wanna know what the item is.


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edbenckert said:titewad said:
I agree with this suggestion and in fact, I emailed Tim a few years ago with the same suggestion. I recommended that titles be created by filling out out a form that requested manufacturer name, model, item desciption, price, store, and start and end dates - if applicable, plus check boxes to indicate AR/FAR/PM/AC/B&M etc., and free form text that would tacked onto the end of the title. Wouldn't it be nice to have relevant, consistent, searchable titles without "Hotter than the sun!!!!" and other irrelevant prefixes? This way, all the pertinent info is right at the begining of the title, which even makes reading the titles and detemining if the deal applies to you much easier. How many threads have you opened just to find out the deal was only available at Fry's or MIcrocenter B&M when you live nowhere near the retailer?

Using this method, we would see thread titles like this:

Sony DEF825 MP3 player 29.99 @ BB 1/15-1/21 AR
Belkin FD2031 G Router 0.00 @ CC 1/22 1/29 FAR
Kitchenaid FP1025MX 5-cup Mixer $149.99 @ Amazon AC, plus free 3-piece cutting board set.


I for one love the idea. I want to know the store, the item, the price, and any details (PM, AR). I dont care if it's smoking hot. I dont care if it's lukewarm. I don't care for junk like "You wont believe this deal!" I just wanna know what the item is.
Agreed. Plus list location IF very limited like 1 City or Metro Area or State.

For Free Stuff, checkoffs for things like call-in, SASE, email, B&M, SW download, printables.


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use a google mini or something from google.


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i would like the search to autmatically search through archived threads and just highlight them a light blue or something to indicate they are archived threads and not active. Or maybe even have an icon next to it.


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It would be nice to be able to save our search words and phrases, so that if we can't find what we're looking for one day we can come back later and just click on that saved phrase and it will do a new search instantly.


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Once you are inside a Hot Deal topic or any topic, you should be able to search just that topic only.
For example one of the topics I am reading has 1700 posts in a weeks time. I would like to search just that topic.

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You should be able to "order" searches by date of original topic

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searching is just too difficult on FW

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I agree with titewad's suggestion also
many people are just too vauge with their posts........

Message edited by: dircom on 2006-01-18 17:13:52 CST
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Allow us to search within search results.

Maybe the first search attempt gives me what I want, but it also returns a lot of other results that aren't what I want. I would like to be able to conduct another search only within the results of the first search. That way, I could successively weed out the bad results. Allowing boolean AND in the search terms would be equivalent to this I think, but searches within results might be more intuitive for some.


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Make it like Amazon.com


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Make it easy for me to see my funny posts in past threads.


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If you don't want to make the default for everyone to be "sort by date", let users set their own default prefs. Personally, I find it annoying to do a search and each time have to hit the "date" link to get the newest deals first. . . .


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Being able to restrict a search to a specific thread and display the actual messages which contain the keywords would be nice.

In other words, the current search only tells you which threads contain the keywords, but some threads (the most popular/useful ones) have thousands of posts. We need to be able to find exactly which posts contain the keywords.

Message edited by: makeinu on 2006-01-19 13:51:54 CST
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First, thank you for the opportunity to opine!

Forgive me if someone else already addressed this (I'm steamed over the Barnes & Noble fraud and didn't read the whole thread ) but here's what's on my wishlist:

TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER (er, make that PAGE heh)
HILIGHTING, TOPICS, SEARCHES
Would like to be paroled from having to wade through 35 pages of posts (at 100-per!!) just to find the one lousy occurence of (eg) FRYS in the whole thread. Really I'd like to see a menu of post snips spill out so I can quickly shop the results but . . . I'm greedy. Just get me to the page and I'll take it from there.

SEARCH RESULTS
By default sorts on DATE OF LAST POST -- or if that cannot be provided, then please provide the URL string I can use to force it because SCORE is significantly less valuable than (anything) TIME STAMPED.

Tytie


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