What you see live on the site is just the core functionality of a star based rating system.
the quick rundown... If you like the "simplicity" of the prior +/- system... simply use the 1 and 5 stars... it is the same functionally.
Currently only topics are rated... not the individual messages. individual message ratings are in the works (but not tonight)
The functionality to see who voted and how is not yet live (developers need some sleep)
When you rate a topic, you will continue to see your rating overriding the site wide rating... making it more personal for you.
You can click "not interested" on the topic list view as well as in individual messages... this does not create a rating, it simply removes that topic from your normal view. (if you want to see it again, select "all messages" on the dropdown.
There are a couple usability issues involving the not interested button in the message view... that is a project for another day.
currently a message shows the rating after the very first time it is rated, and it calculates a simple average of all votes for a given topic. We will look at methods for showing "new topic" or not showing aggregate reviews if it is found that it is more valuable to not show ratings until some threshold has been met.
We realize that the quality of a deal is not necessarily directly connected to popularity - this part needs a bit of work, but I'm pretty sure we can get that worked out too.
Thank you in advance for giving this new mechanism a chance! change is hard, but isn't always bad!
when you see "no stars" it means that the topic has not yet been rated (since the minimum is one star) - this is another usability issue that needs to be addressed.
obviously we need to figure out a solution to see the community vote give us a bit to work that out.
(for clarity, i'm moving the old topic out of hot deals now - apologies to those that already commented on the new concept)
update 1 at 3:05AM CST 9/14
at the risk of a tired brain - I think I've come up with a way of differentiating between a 4 star post that only has one vote and a 4 star post that has lot of votes.... obviously the confidence level is higher and would have equated to a green bar in the past.
i shot off an email to the development team on this project and will meet with them after a few hours of sleep. I think we're on to something here.
nothing ever gets polished without a bit of friction
Once you have rated something, the display shows your rating rather than the community rating.
1 star is the minimum.... you can think of 1 star as "maximum red"
1 star = hate it 2 star = don't like it 3 star = ok 4 star = like it 5 star = love it
I still think the +/- system is BETTER. Color coding works better. And the government use it too. It is not obvious by seeing 1-green-star as HATE IT. Instead, the obvious would be "Oh.. not so-so deal"
Oya.. and you will get complaint from FW Finance forum. Especially there, individual rating (not only thread rating) IS SUPER important. Again, we don't have 25 hours a day (like the FW mods) to read everything on FW.com
How do we clear the rating we gave to a thread?
fish777 mentioned: But if you stuck with your own rating, then you will miss out the deal. This is NOT movie rating since the DEAL is dynamic and ever changing.
alphaqb
Frivolous Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:05a
i can tolerate this system
Fka200
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:05a
Add a function near the filter to CLEAR our rating all at once. What do you think?
When you rate a topic, you will continue to see your rating overriding the site wide rating... making it more personal for you.I have a BIG problem with this. Regardless of how you rate a thread, you should still see the community rating.
Deals often change after the initial post. Maybe I am not initially interested in a thread, but the deal gets sweeter or I missed something initially that the community picks up on. I am never going to see that everyone else considers it a 5-star thread because I already rated it early on? That is a total disincentive for me to ever rate a thread, and that's not the spirit of FW.
I think you're not quite ther yet (DAMN THE SLEEP MAN!!! Put the developers back to work!) , but it seems a lot better than the system that was up earlier.
I love the "not interested" option!! You might want to consider a user-configurable way to have their "not interested" deals reappear if something changes. If the deal doesn't look great at first, but changes later, you might want to be alerted to it (same point that folks in the other thread were making about only seeing their votes instead of the community votes). Maybe tie it to quantity of votes of a certain rating (for example, if the post gets 25+ 4* votes, it's probably a really good deal).
When viewing a thread, if I click on the "not interested" link, I think that should take me back to the topics list. I made a clear choice that I was not interested in the topic, so I think it's clear that I don't want to read it anymore
Edit: I feel sorry for the developers that will be reading this thread in the morning. I'm sure it'll be hundreds of messages long, with most posts making the same points. But with no way to rate a post, each user will have to post the comment separately in order for it to be seen.
dIPseta
Broke Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:08a
Can you please make it so we still see the collective community rating. This kind of system discourges me from rating something becasue early becasue I want to know how the community thinks beefore I rate something myself.
Fka200
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:08a
Toddler said: When you rate a topic, you will continue to see your rating overriding the site wide rating... making it more personal for you.I have a BIG problem with this. Regardless of how you rate a thread, you should still see the community rating.
Deals often change after the initial post. Maybe I am not initially interested in a thread, but the deal gets sweeter or I missed something initially that the community picks up on. I am never going to see that everyone else considers it a 5-star thread because I already rated it early on? That is a total disincentive for me to ever rate a thread, and that's not the spirit of FW.
That is MY (and im guessing a lot of others) MAJOR concern. It makes me NOT WANT TO VOTE BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE VOTED!!?!?!?!?!
so 3 stars means average? 1 star--very bad, 2-bad, 4-hot, 5-flaming hot? haha.. basically, it's same as previous version. users could only boost the topic but no way to neg it.
Toddler said: When you rate a topic, you will continue to see your rating overriding the site wide rating... making it more personal for you.I have a BIG problem with this. Regardless of how you rate a thread, you should still see the community rating.
Deals often change after the initial post. Maybe I am not initially interested in a thread, but the deal gets sweeter or I missed something initially that the community picks up on. I am never going to see that everyone else considers it a 5-star thread because I already rated it early on? That is a total disincentive for me to ever rate a thread, and that's not the spirit of FW.
Agreed. This makes me not want to vote - to be able to see if the deal gets hotter over time.
I still think this is just completely stupid. If I rate the deal, I no longer can see what the community thinks. So, in order to see what the community thinks, I can't rate it.
alphaqb said: i can tolerate this systemSorry, but if "tolerate" is the best that can be said, then this system is much worse than what we had 24 hours ago.
CaptainMorgan15
Addicted Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:09a
I will admit that this is better than the other new system from earlier today, however I must say, what was so wrong with the old system that we had to get rid of it....why fix something that is not broken? I still feel that the original ratings system with positive and negative is by far the best we have seen yet.
That being said, fatwallet is awesome and please keep up the good work!
-CM15
alphaqb
Frivolous Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:09a
Toddler said: When you rate a topic, you will continue to see your rating overriding the site wide rating... making it more personal for you.I have a BIG problem with this. Regardless of how you rate a thread, you should still see the community rating.
Deals often change after the initial post. Maybe I am not initially interested in a thread, but the deal gets sweeter or I missed something initially that the community picks up on. I am never going to see that everyone else considers it a 5-star thread because I already rated it early on? That is a total disincentive for me to ever rate a thread, and that's not the spirit of FW.
You do have a point... they basically copied the same system from NetFlix. This is much more complicated than a movie rating.
Toddler said: When you rate a topic, you will continue to see your rating overriding the site wide rating... making it more personal for you.I have a BIG problem with this. Regardless of how you rate a thread, you should still see the community rating.
Deals often change after the initial post. Maybe I am not initially interested in a thread, but the deal gets sweeter or I missed something initially that the community picks up on. I am never going to see that everyone else considers it a 5-star thread because I already rated it early on? That is a total disincentive for me to ever rate a thread, and that's not the spirit of FW.
Totally agree, what if after couple replys, someone find additional rebate or coupon to make the deal much better??? Intially you vote 1 star based on the original post price but with the rebate, you would have vote 5 star. If we can see the community rating, we can quickly see that the thread suddenly change to have 5 star and you would know the deal must be getting better.
But if you stuck with your own rating, then you will miss out the deal.
This is NOT movie rating since the DEAL is dynamic and ever changing.
m8086
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:10a
I am with you. If this is the way it goes, I guess I(and most others) am not going to rate any thread because if I rate, I wont see the rating from community, which is the whole purpose for this forum.
FW, if you are listening, my rating is only to contribute to the community. Once I rated, it doesn't mean much (if anything) to myself. As I can always "favorite" a thread if I am interested or want to follow. Yes, if you like, you can make an additional query or function to show all the threads that I rated green. But that can only be an add-on function instead of the only view you have.
I know you have done a good job, and I believe you will also.
Toddler said: FatWallet.Com said: Once you have rated something, the display shows your rating rather than the community rating.
1 star is the minimum.... you can think of 1 star as "maximum red"
1 star = hate it 2 star - don't like it 3 star = ok 4 star = like it 5 star = love itThat is a HORRIBLE idea. Maybe I am not interested in a thread, but the deal gets sweeter or I missed something initially that the community picks up on. I am never going to see that everyone else considers it a 5-star thread because I already rated it early on? That is a total disincentive for me to ever rate a thread. Once I cast my vote, I lose the ability to learn from the community! Come on, each change is just getting worse than the next.
ashes2flames
Ancient Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:10a
I hate it. I also hate that you can't rate individual messages within a thread.
asdf916
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:10a
About rating the individual posts, you did not state if it'd be implemented or not. It was an EXTREMELY useful feature of the old rating system.
About the "When you rate a topic, you will continue to see your rating overriding the site wide rating... making it more personal for you," sometimes a deal can become warm to SUPERLY DUPERLY HOT due to, say, someone posting a coupon that was not previously mentioned in the OP. So if I were to vote the previously warm deal a 2, I wouldn't be able to discover that the deal has become hot w/o the OP changing the title and me reading the title.
1. This has the same effect as the +/-, can you explain why you want to change it? Is it simply that it looks less bad if something has some green as opposed to red? Why does that matter?
2. Agree with everyone else, we want to see the community vote, not our personal one. The obvious driver for that is that deals can be updated. What might be 1-star can become 5-star if someone figures out later you can use a coupon or some other rebate.
m8086
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:13a
taf said: atohmc said: So basically, if you want to see the community vote, never vote. Just log out
FatWallet.Com said: When you rate a topic, you will continue to see your rating overriding the site wide rating... making it more personal for you.
Is there anyplace we can see the sitewide rating once we rate a thread? We have to be able to know the aggregate rating, which will change as a deal gets hotter or colder. If the rating changes, we may revisit a thread. If we can't see the rating change, that kind of defeats the purpose. Knowing my personal rating is much less important than knowing the collective rating. It's the aggregation of votes that gives us some idea of the changing hotness of a thread. If we rate a thread poorly, but then new information changes that, we won't know to go back and look, because we won't see the sitewide rating change.
dIPseta
Broke Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:13a
If we can't rate messages inside a thread it would leave the door wide open to spammers. The incentive for community user interaction is getting lower and lower with this knid of system. I don't want the rating system to be over-personal, I wanna know how my fellow fatwallters think too.
porkipine69
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:14a
boost was hilarious
iyam
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 14, 2006 @ 2:14a
Wow, you guys already switched the ratings again.. It's nice to know you're trying to work with what people seem to want. This does seem better than the earlier ratings used today, but I agree with others that I'd like to see the overall ratings even if I voted. Maybe show stars for overall rating and somehow show your own rating with a different color star or just a number?
jely said: Toddler said: ...So I'm not seeing the community rating, just my personal rating? That would be pointless.
But if YOU have found that YOU feel the need to rate a deal, whether that be 1-star or 5-stars, why do you care that the community thinks differently or not? a deal to one person is not a deal to another, and voting means you've decided the value of that deal to you.I must say I'm really discouraged about rating anything. I personally depend on community ratings, especially on things I don't know about but need like cookware. If I rate a deal I'll never be able to see what the community rate is, correct? If I give something a good rating then a defect or whatever is brought up by people who know what their talking about I'll never be able to see the deal for what it truly is, a bad deal. Limiting our ability to view community ratings is not good. Dumbing down options is almost as annoying as companies that don't reveal shipping charges until you complete the checkout process. I predict within a week Fatwallet will bow to the pressure and bring the old ratings back. Otherwise I can gaurentee a huge downturn in traffic.
I was the one who made the joke about how the true diehards are never really going to leave CrackWallet. I didn't know it would be this bad.
There was no need to change the rating system. The majority of the members on the community appear to have been happy with the old system. What is the new system delivering (other than heartache)?
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