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We think a Hot Deals Posting Wizard could help in a number of ways:

• Promote a uniform format with all desired elements included, improving readability and leading to better search results.
• Allow posters to do first-level deal categorization.
• Provide coaching toward quality posts.
• Discourage reposts (with a checker).

Besides moderating to encourage positive behavior, we think better OP’s will reduce the flame-bait and non-constructive critical comments too.

What do YOU think? Vote this topic and comment!

UPDATE: April 24, 2008
See here for summary and plans (moving to design with your input).

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Before commenting on this one, can you please explain what fields you would include in this wizard?

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IAmStingRay said:Before commenting on this one, can you please explain what fields you would include in this wizard?The community should probably determine which fields make the most sense.

My ideas:
- Item Name
- Item Mfr
- URL
- Type (high-level: e.g. technology, food, automotive, home decor, service, etc. with cascading subtypes)
- Retailer (autopopulate link to resellerratings.com)
- Price (before rebate/PM/etc.)
- Rebate amount (yes/no checkbox + amt field + rebate form URL field, allow multiple)
- PM amount (yes/no checkbox + amt field + PM retailer name field)
- Coupon amount + coupon code (yes/no checkbox + amt field + coupon code field, allow multiple)
- Shipping cost
- Region (national, regional, state with dropdown menu)
- YMMV (yes/no checkbox)
- FatCash (auto-populated)

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It would be great if a spellchecker feature could somehow be added.

It gets aggravating when people misspell the name of a store or a product such that it becomes impossible to find via search. Should reduce reposting a little bit.

Or, an easier way for the error to be corrected by the community - not restricted to words but also $ calculations, etc. OPs don't always return to their topics to fix errors.

jayK made a good list. I would add, for the region part, if there is a list of states, please make it easy to 'select all' or 'select none' - that way it is quicker to select all but 2-3 states (as is often the case for contests, excluded in NY, FL, and RI, e.g.). A different tool than a regular drop-down where the control key is used to select multiple items would be appreciated, but I don't know what options there are.

Speaking of contests, this type of posting wizard would be VERY good to implement in Contests and Sweeps. Since fewer fields are needed, maybe you could test it there. (e.g. begin date, end date, frequency(daily, monthly, once), etc)

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jayK said:The community should probably determine which fields make the most sense.Right on!

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jayK said:
My ideas:
- Item Name
- Item Mfr
- URL
- Type (high-level: e.g. technology, food, automotive, home decor, service, etc. with cascading subtypes)
- Retailer (autopopulate link to resellerratings.com)
- Price (before rebate/PM/etc.)
- Rebate amount (yes/no checkbox + amt field + rebate form URL field, allow multiple)
- PM amount (yes/no checkbox + amt field + PM retailer name field)
- Coupon amount + coupon code (yes/no checkbox + amt field + coupon code field, allow multiple)
- Shipping cost
- Region (national, regional, state with dropdown menu)
- YMMV (yes/no checkbox)
- FatCash (auto-populated)

Using this type of framework, how do you deal with the hot deals which are not for a specific product (e.g., 20% off coupon for store X, target clearance, etc.)?

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IAmStingRay said:Using this type of framework, how do you deal with the hot deals which are not for a specific product (e.g., 20% off coupon for store X, target clearance, etc.)?All fields would be optional. If there's no specific item, leave the item name and mfr blank.

I'm assuming the thread title would be auto-generated based on the results of the posting wizard, something like:
<item mfr> <item name> at <retailer> for <price>

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Just a random thought here... what good is a wizard if the potential for most of the feilds beings left blank exists? I understand the concept and it appears to be good on paper, but you also lose the individuality of the members by making them use a template. More often than not the members tell the OP to update this infor or that info, what is so horrible about that? Playing devil's advocate does not mean I don't agree with the ideas, I am just trying to see all sides of them, good and bad.

I think the repost checker could be implemented without a posting in a template, right? That seems like a valuable feature.

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TM1 said:Just a random thought here... what good is a wizard if the potential for most of the feilds beings left blank exists? I understand the concept and it appears to be good on paper, but you also lose the individuality of the members by making them use a template. More often than not the members tell the OP to update this infor or that info, what is so horrible about that? Playing devil's advocate does not mean I don't agree with the ideas, I am just trying to see all sides of them, good and bad.

I think the repost checker could be implemented without a posting in a template, right? That seems like a valuable feature.


That is why it would be optional.... or that is how I understand it. We don't want to force people to use it, but if we do it right, they will want to use it (better for the entire community). I could be wrong, and i might be corrected by a FW staff member that knows more about it.

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TM1 said:...More often than not the members tell the OP to update this infor or that info, what is so horrible about that? ..."Bad" posts, including those missing information, are frequently the ones leading to harsh comments and red voting. With a template/wizard, we think less experienced posters might learn what's required to make it good. We could also include some notes or guidelines.

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MarsdenFubar said:That is why it would be optional...

If that's the case, it seems reasonable to try it out and see if it helps. I'm against making a wizard the only way someone can post to HD, but if it is an optional tool, it would only help. The only decision to make is whether it is the best use of someone's time to create it.

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IAmStingRay said:MarsdenFubar said:That is why it would be optional...

If that's the case, it seems reasonable to try it out and see if it helps. I'm against making a wizard the only way someone can post to HD, but if it is an optional tool, it would only help. The only decision to make is whether it is the best use of someone's time to create it.

I think that is the basic idea.

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footn200 said:TM1 said:...More often than not the members tell the OP to update this infor or that info, what is so horrible about that? ..."Bad" posts, including those missing information, are frequently the ones leading to harsh comments and red voting. With a template/wizard, we think less experienced posters might learn what's required to make it good. We could also include some notes or guidelines.

That makes sense. We all know that an established member could post the EXACT same deal as a n00b and the old member will get flooded with green and the n00b will get red and many nasty comments. A wizard will never eliminate all of that, but it might encourage n00bs to post again if the process is less painful.

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Promote a uniform format with all desired elements included, improving readability and leading to better search results. That is really needed--great idea.
• Allow posters to do first-level deal categorization. ? Don't understand ?
• Provide coaching toward quality posts. Yes.
• Discourage reposts (with a checker). Yes.

Besides moderating to encourage positive behavior, we think better OP’s will reduce the flame-bait and non-constructive critical comments too. I don't really understand this. FW seems to be a great, free and useful service--why do we have to read the kind of junk people wrote about the recent Omaha Steak deal? They should be put in a virtual 'time out!' I'm not sure if you guys just don't have enough moderators (I can udnerstand that), or the rules aren't strict enough, but perhaps things can be altered. i don't blame FW--I blame the posters. THanks!

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Gertrude23 said:Promote a uniform format with all desired elements included, improving readability and leading to better search results. That is really needed--great idea.
• Allow posters to do first-level deal categorization. ? Don't understand ?
• Provide coaching toward quality posts. Yes.
• Discourage reposts (with a checker). Yes.

Besides moderating to encourage positive behavior, we think better OP’s will reduce the flame-bait and non-constructive critical comments too. I don't really understand this. FW seems to be a great, free and useful service--why do we have to read the kind of junk people wrote about the recent Omaha Steak deal? They should be put in a virtual 'time out!' I'm not sure if you guys just don't have enough moderators (I can udnerstand that), or the rules aren't strict enough, but perhaps things can be altered. i don't blame FW--I blame the posters. THanks!
Thank YOU! We are working toward coaching more positive behavior in the forums.

First-level deal categorization refers to the feature in modern (and beta) to customize a hot deals view. Toward that end, we categorize every hot deal by product category, store, manufacturer and deal type. With a wizard, members could take the first shot at that categorization.

Steve

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Gertrude23 said:FW seems to be a great, free and useful service--why do we have to read the kind of junk people wrote about the recent Omaha Steak deal?You don't have to read the junk, just set your ratings filter to "poor".

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footn200 said:First-level deal categorization refers to the feature in modern (and beta) to customize a hot deals view. Toward that end, we categorize every hot deal by product category, store, manufacturer and deal type. With a wizard, members could take the first shot at that categorization.I'd like to see an easy way for the community to add/modify categorization as well.

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I like the idea. While populating the fields may be optional, it at least forces the OP to put some more thought into the posts.

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bozo007 said:I like the idea. While populating the fields may be optional, it at least forces the OP to put some more thought into the posts.

This is kind of what I have in mind when I think of a template for a Hot Deal post... if it's done right, it'd serve as a checklist even for experienced posters.

I'd also like to think more uniform topic titles would enhance the process of scanning deals.

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