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You have banned a member who regularly participated in a mostly positive and occassionally outspoken way, in favor of a non-contributing 'member' who sytematically antagonizes other productive members. In a mod-alert, the canned response is the mod-on-duty cannot discuss actions wrt members/team is reviewing. I submit the ongoing issues that precipitated this unjust banning remain unresolved, involves many more of us than the member unjustly banned who spoke much on our behalf, and you have opened a pandora's box with many members who look for balance, sound judgement, and fair treatment when discussing community issues.

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What gets me is that all of us in OT try our best to get along, and are doing a great job at it. There have been times in the past that OT was full of fighting between members. I find it sad that, at a time when everything is going so peacefully (craps hearts and rainbows here), that there is/are a mod/mods who are stirring the pot causing the trouble.

I will, again, state that although this issue came about because of a user's ratings, the issue has become the response to innocent comments about that rating, not the rating itself.

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The moderation team is in discussion about this issue, and the others that have come up in the last couple days.

FatWallet has many moderators, and with the weekend here it will take a few days to discuss, and resolve these issues. Then we will communicate our resolve.

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jray225 said:The moderation team is in discussion about this issue, and the others that have come up in the last couple days.

FatWallet has many moderators, and with the weekend here it will take a few days to discuss, and resolve these issues. Then we will communicate our resolve.

thank you for your response Jray. This issue is really hurting the OT community. Many of us hang around there for the great discussion and the laughs, and many of us also spend time in other forums helping people with information, and posting deals. I honestly am feeling like the rules are being ignored by some at FW, and I think the community would appreciate clear guidelines and open communication about this situation.

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jray225 said:The moderation team is in discussion about this issue, and the others that have come up in the last couple days.

FatWallet has many moderators, and with the weekend here it will take a few days to discuss, and resolve these issues. Then we will communicate our resolve.

I recommend you show good faith by allowing reinstatement until your decision, as a team, is finalized.

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jray225 said:The moderation team is in discussion about this issue, and the others that have come up in the last couple days.

FatWallet has many moderators, and with the weekend here it will take a few days to discuss, and resolve these issues. Then we will communicate our resolve.

WE understand that it is your policy to not discuss other users being banned. However, the circumstances which led up to this event involved a lengthy discussion about issues concerning a number of users, and WE do wish to be involved in that discussion and clarification. WE are exasperated, as Steve likes to put it.

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iRabbitt said:jray225 said:The moderation team is in discussion about this issue, and the others that have come up in the last couple days.

FatWallet has many moderators, and with the weekend here it will take a few days to discuss, and resolve these issues. Then we will communicate our resolve.


WE understand that it is your policy to not discuss other users being banned. However, the circumstances which led up to this event involved a lengthy discussion about issues concerning a number of users, and WE do wish to be involved in that discussion and clarification. WE are exasperated, as Steve likes to put it.

I agree that the communities involvement in the discussion, and clarification is essential, but we need to discuss it as a moderation team, and get team feedback. Then offer it to the community for discussion on what needs to be changed.

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my suggestion is to eliminate ratings in OT, it does not serve a purpose!

It will eliminate these unjust scenarios altogether. Those that rate or don't, unless they contribute with discussions, which is the ACTUAL core purpose in a FORUM, no discussion members are paid no mind.

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HokieOkie said:jray225 said:The moderation team is in discussion about this issue, and the others that have come up in the last couple days.

FatWallet has many moderators, and with the weekend here it will take a few days to discuss, and resolve these issues. Then we will communicate our resolve.


I recommend you show good faith by allowing reinstatement until your decision, as a team, is finalized.

Thank you for your feed back.

Rarely is a users posting ability removed without great consideration, warning, and coaching. This one is no exception to that, and while you have seen what occurred in the forums with a user. You don't know the warnings, and couching given to a user on the private exchanged between member, and staff.

We would be more then willing to discuss with a user why their posting abilities are removed, and then agree to restore the posting abilities once we can agree on a resolution to the issues.

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FrugalFreak said:my suggestion is to eliminate ratings in OT, it does not serve a purpose!

it will eliminate these scenarios altogether.
it will eliminate the scenario that started this, but it won't change the poor choices made by the mod(s) in question. I want accountability by whoever it was who created this mess.

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shopliftinginva said:FrugalFreak said:my suggestion is to eliminate ratings in OT, it does not serve a purpose!

it will eliminate these scenarios altogether.
it will eliminate the scenario that started this, but it won't change the poor choices made by the mod(s) in question. I want accountability by whoever it was who created this mess.

This mess will require a multi-faceted approach, and it won't be easy. Mods have a place, purpose and duty, but banning a member who speaks up about the repeated failure to act on a disruptive member is outrageous, and the community simply will not tolerate a heavy-handed approach to settle simple issues that continue to go ignored. With this banning, the community is being sent a signal that self-moderation among peers is insignificant, the squeakiest wheel gets the grease even when it's going nowhere, and action (banning) or inaction (failure to listen and respond appropriately) will be at the expense of those advancing the issues. It's a painful situation to witness, because on other fronts the mods have been surprisingly transparent lately, and I had hope for more independence in topical discussions. These hopes were trounced by the unjust action this morning. It has become an unwelcome place for me, not just him.

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FrugalFreak said:my suggestion is to eliminate ratings in OT, it does not serve a purpose!

I agree with this. It causes more drama. Also, it seems like some trolls like pyeed ,or whatever his name is, post stuff just to see how much red they can get. They get off on it.

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fifth1 said:FrugalFreak said:my suggestion is to eliminate ratings in OT, it does not serve a purpose!


I agree with this. It causes more drama. Also, it seems like some trolls like pyeed ,or whatever his name is, post stuff just to see how much red they can get. They get off on it.

Before voting in OT, there were posts like "10/10!", "9.5!", "seven of nine!", etc. IMO, ratings provide a nice way to declutter threads. However, OT had plenty of drama before ratings and the other forums have always had trolls getting off on red too. Therefore, I am not sure that eliminating ratings in OT is the solution to the problem.

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qcumber98 said:fifth1 said:FrugalFreak said:my suggestion is to eliminate ratings in OT, it does not serve a purpose!


I agree with this. It causes more drama. Also, it seems like some trolls like pyeed ,or whatever his name is, post stuff just to see how much red they can get. They get off on it.


Before voting in OT, there were posts like "10/10!", "9.5!", "seven of nine!", etc. IMO, ratings provide a nice way to declutter threads. However, OT had plenty of drama before ratings and the other forums have always had trolls getting off on red too. Therefore, I am not sure that eliminating ratings in OT is the solution to the problem.

Q-Would you support a restricted voting scenario, where a user is granted a handful of votes per day? How about unrestricted voting for all members, but restricted voting for members with x number history of complaints, etc./No voting for obvious abusers,etc.

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HokieOkie said:qcumber98 said:fifth1 said:FrugalFreak said:my suggestion is to eliminate ratings in OT, it does not serve a purpose!


I agree with this. It causes more drama. Also, it seems like some trolls like pyeed ,or whatever his name is, post stuff just to see how much red they can get. They get off on it.


Before voting in OT, there were posts like "10/10!", "9.5!", "seven of nine!", etc. IMO, ratings provide a nice way to declutter threads. However, OT had plenty of drama before ratings and the other forums have always had trolls getting off on red too. Therefore, I am not sure that eliminating ratings in OT is the solution to the problem.


Q-Would you support a restricted voting scenario, where a user is granted a handful of votes per day? How about unrestricted voting for all members, but restricted voting for members with x number history of complaints, etc./No voting for obvious abusers,etc.

How would you determine the "magic number"? I don't vote that much but a handful of votes per day seems like punishing everyone based on the actions of a few. Although I'm not sure a "three strikes" rule is the right thing to do either because some people will complain about anything. I don't know how much fine grain control FW has over the rating system but it seems like they should have been able to remove an abuser's voting privilege years ago.

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qcumber98 said:
How would you determine the "magic number"? I don't vote that much but a handful of votes per day seems like punishing everyone based on the actions of a few. Although I'm not sure a "three strikes" rule is the right thing to do either because some people will complain about anything. I don't know how much fine grain control FW has over the rating system but it seems like they should have been able to remove an abuser's voting privilege years ago.

I agree with the punishment comments. Eliminating or rationing voting doesn't address the problem that has occurred. And we still have the issue of "out of control" mod or mods. It's not all of them, and I feel for those who do their best to do their jobs. I know that it's not always easy to moderate such a large community. But blatent disrespect towards the rules that they should be following in order to cater to one cry baby needs to be addressed.

With that said, I don't see anything that was deleted last night, at least any of my comments over the last 24 hours, so it appears we're on the right track.

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OK, everyone take a deeeeep breathe with me. Innnnnnnnnnnnnn and outtttttttttttttttt.

This entire "bring partial back" campaign doesn't do anything but cause more problems for the mod staff in trying to understand what exactly is going on.

This isn't being ignored, but lets let the cooler heads prevail. Everyone enjoy their weekend, and we'll see the outcome once the office opens back up tomorrow and we can talk about the weekend.

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MVP9596 said:OK, everyone take a deeeeep breathe with me. Innnnnnnnnnnnnn and outtttttttttttttttt.

This entire "bring partial back" campaign doesn't do anything but cause more problems for the mod staff in trying to understand what exactly is going on.

This isn't being ignored, but lets let the cooler heads prevail. Everyone enjoy their weekend, and we'll see the outcome once the office opens back up tomorrow and we can talk about the weekend.

If it makes you feel better, I don't even use OT, so I have no idea who you're talking about. I thought this post was in reference to O***n again, and I found it hard to believe someone was getting his back.

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