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I am a charter FW member, a regular reader and contributor to the Hot Deals and Travel board, and I just had an experience that has come close to turning me off completely to FW. A member made a posting in Travel asking for help getting him arrangements to see the Mets and Yankees in NYC this weekend. He stated he was looking for travel, and tickets to the games. I replied, IN THE THREAD, stating that I am a season ticket holder, and would be happy to help the guy out by selling him tickets at face value, since I don't go to every game of the year. This post was deleted due to "self promotion", and the fact that FW isn't here to promote "consumer to consumer sales". I can definitely understand this answer if I had started a thread in Travel or HD stating that I had tickets and was selling them. But when someone posts a request thread, and someone posts to try to help someone else out, that should be allowed, WITHIN the thread. A great example of this right now is in the Nissan thread in Hot Deals, where people are posting about organizing group buys, and even a post or two I believe are from dealers, all meant to HELP FW MEMBERS. I believe that we must allow for reasonable leeway with the rules, especially if someone is answering a request from another FW member. What also set me off is the reaction of 1 or 2 members who rudely posted in reply to my posting, accusing me of "self promotion". FW was a place founded on the basis of people helping people save money and find deals. I really hope we have not gotten to the point were rules fly in the face of common sense and helping others.

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Hey, joelfreak

Tim forwarded your email to me, and I want you to know we're giving it careful consideration. Right now, I have to run, but I promise we'll discuss your concerns and make any changes that benefit our community. Good idea to get others to weigh in here, though; that's what FW forum is here for.

Peace ~Steve

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Thats why I posted it here.

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Next time do what everyone else does; use PM to help others.

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Next time people will just request; 'Anybody got spare DDR RAM pm me", 'Anybody got extra $20 coupon pm me', 'I am going to DisneyWorld, and need cheap tickets'. Basically there is a loophole for things like this. If you want to help you could just point to location to buy cheap ticket or usage of coupons by buying certain things, price comparison, discounts or things to look for.

I can see people selling everywhere then. Every thread somebody can just write a quick request and tons of replies will come, 'If you need xxx pm me, i can sell cheaper' etc..

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joelfreak said:I am a charter FW member, a regular reader and contributor to the Hot Deals and Travel board, and I just had an experience that has come close to turning me off completely to FW. A member made a posting in Travel asking for help getting him arrangements to see the Mets and Yankees in NYC this weekend. He stated he was looking for travel, and tickets to the games. I replied, IN THE THREAD, stating that I am a season ticket holder, and would be happy to help the guy out by selling him tickets at face value, since I don't go to every game of the year. This post was deleted due to "self promotion", and the fact that FW isn't here to promote "consumer to consumer sales". I can definitely understand this answer if I had started a thread in Travel or HD stating that I had tickets and was selling them. But when someone posts a request thread, and someone posts to try to help someone else out, that should be allowed, WITHIN the thread. A great example of this right now is in the Nissan thread in Hot Deals, where people are posting about organizing group buys, and even a post or two I believe are from dealers, all meant to HELP FW MEMBERS. I believe that we must allow for reasonable leeway with the rules, especially if someone is answering a request from another FW member. What also set me off is the reaction of 1 or 2 members who rudely posted in reply to my posting, accusing me of "self promotion". FW was a place founded on the basis of people helping people save money and find deals. I really hope we have not gotten to the point were rules fly in the face of common sense and helping others.Thanks for posting this in here. It opens up the door for us to offer a bit more clarity as to the “why” behind things that happen on our end.

When I looked for your deleted message, I found that the reason for the deletion was that “buying and trading is not one of FatWallet’s core competencies. Therefore, we decline to be involved in the process in any way.” So the issue wasn’t really one of self-promoting. If that’s what you heard, I apologize for the miscommunication; indeed, you weren’t doing that at all. The reason your post was deleted was for offering to sell publically on our site.

According to my understanding, there is also another reason beside the issue of core competency that leads us away from allowing users to sell to one another. We want to facilitate a certain kind of communal spirit. We want users to gather primarily to share freely their knowledge and insight with the community so that all can be enriched. This is contradictory to the spirit of selling, which usually (though not always) has the goal of enriching the one rather than the many. Those two goals (enriching the community, enriching the one) can often (though not always) run at odds with each other. So our guiding principle here is the promotion of a communal spirit nurtured by a sense of mutuality.

Don’t get me wrong. I appreciate your willingness to help out a fellow FatWallet member. That’s great! It sounds like you were promoting the communal spirit we are seeking. And unfortunately, your goodwill got ran over as we continue down the path we’ve chosen in order to pursue that kind of community.

We really don’t want community goodwill to get trampled. So, if anyone has any thoughts as to how we might be able to open the door to selling in a way that strongly promotes the overall wellbeing of the community, I sure would like to hear it. After all, If it can truly strengthen the community, then maybe we could work toward making it one of our key competencies.

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VBMcGB said:...So, if anyone has any thoughts as to how we might be able to open the door to selling in a way that strongly promotes the overall wellbeing of the community, I sure would like to hear it. After all, If it can truly strengthen the community, then maybe we could work toward making it one of our key competencies. In respect to joelfreak, I'm bumping for more opinions. Where shall we go from here? Drop it? Hot Deals inquiry? In any case, I want to be sure it's the community driving our actions.
Thanks

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I don't know how many people actually read this board...much less this posting...

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Agreed... wondering about bringing it up in Hot Deals. Will think about it over the weekend.

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Well, somebody obviously read this thread.

I was contacted by a user saying she is a sales representative for Focalprice.com. She wants me to post deals for them. I refused.

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Sure, this may work fine in the OP's isolated case. However, allowing the announcement of reselling opens a whole can of worms that I would rather not see in the forum, including: spamming deals for profit, members crying when a transaction goes bad, resellers creating accounts just to pawn their wares, etc.

In my opinion, it's something that is nice in theory but adds too many unneeded headaches.

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But as replies to other peoples posts, especially those users who have a long history and are not 1st timers...it ads value to FW.

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joelfreak said:...it ads value to FW.
Typo or Freudian Slip?

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I think it would work as long as you make some requirements where only people who have been an active member for say at least 90 days or longer and have contributed to the site by making other posts.

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Self promotion is when you are selling something yourself. For example, if I said to visit my blog and buy stuff, that would be self promotion. Fortunately, my blog does not sell anything, but just contains my musings, and underwater photographs for your viewing pleasure. So I am not really promoting anything. Visit. Leave comments.

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DavidScubadiver said: Fortunately, my blog does not sell anything, but just contains my musings, and underwater photographs for your viewing pleasure.
I second that, visit Davids blog site. It's so good I bookmarked it.

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This thread is a bit old and I am new this summer to the site...but why couldnt there be a general requests thread. If someone wanted or needed an item they could post what they were looking for. Fellow members could then offer up their own items to sell or they could guide people to the cheapest/best place to get that item.

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jthueter said:This thread is a bit old and I am new this summer to the site...but why couldnt there be a general requests thread. If someone wanted or needed an item they could post what they were looking for. Fellow members could then offer up their own items to sell or they could guide people to the cheapest/best place to get that item. because this site would be filled with scammers trying to make a buck. Yes, most around here could figure out someone was trying to scam someone else, but the influx of "new members" trying to sell stuff overpriced, or taking the money and running would be overwhelming.

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