So here's the deal. Been with Chase for over 15 years. Received a letter in the mail they are closing my checking and credit line accounts. No reason, they just say they are exercising their right to close both my accounts. Please also note, they already charged me a $500.00 annual fee for the credit line last month. So, I have two questions. One, how do I get my $500.00 back since they just closed my account. Two, the majority of my credit cards (and limits - $65,000 over five cards) are with Chase. I no longer want to do any business with this horrid bank. But since the majority of my credit is from them. How do I slowly and meticulously move away from Chase in the credit card area?
Do you need 5 cards with 65k credit? If not apply for a card from somewhere else and close the other 5 cards. I'd call about the $500 bucks. Good luck!
b) Your credit lines may be cut/cancelled next, granting your wish.
c) Chase has a "reason" - think hard.
UtahDealSeeker
Addicted Member
posted: Aug. 29, 2010 @ 2:19p
dudetheobscure said: a) You're probably out the $500 fee.
b) Your credit lines may be cut/cancelled next, granting your wish.
c) Chase has a "reason" - think hard.
Yes. Checking and LOC's are slightly different from credit cards in that the underwriting is usually manual - and thus closures are less random. There should be a reason as the obscure dude said.
If you still have 5 credit cards with them for total $65k credit limit and that's most of your credit limit, you'd be cutting your nose to spite your face by closing those credit card accounts. Unless there are annual fees on those Chase card, you could simply sock drawer them.
But you'd also want to at least migrate some of that available credit over to other banks, preferably not concentrating on only one. Ideally, you'd want to increase your available credit by just opening a few more credit cards, maybe 4 to start with from Citi, BoA, AMEX and Discover, preferably taking advantage of cards you'd actually use for CashBack and/or for signup bonuses.
As far as the $500, I'm surprised they'd close the credit line a month after collecting the fee. For their credit card accounts that have annual fees, they usually refund the fee if you close the account within a month of the fee being collected. In other cases, they prorate the refund to the amount of time left in the year you paid the fee for. Say if you close the account 3 months after the annual fee was paid, they'll refund you %75 of the annual fee. It may be different procedures for credit lines, but I'd still ask for similar refund.
As far as the original negative action by Chase, I can't help but think there's more to the story than what OP told us. It makes little sense for them to get rid of juicy customers that pay $500 annual fee for credit lines. It would be interesting to ask why Chase decided to end business relationship when it seems to me that OP was a profitable customer. I've been doing business with Chase as one of my primary banks for 15 years as well and I've paid them less than $50 in fees over the years and actually milked their account opening offers at the tune of $100 or $150 more or less every other year. So there'd have to be something very negative in OP's customer profile for them to cut him off.
Not sure. Just last month, they gave me another 16k credit card. I called my banker and left 3 messages over the last 2 weeks. Not one call back. Called the 800 support, they said its in their right to do so and a letter will be explaining why. The letter sent only says they are in their right to close their account with no reason. I have since moved my savings account and both business accounts to another bank. My FICO's are all north of 800. I have no debt and pay the bill off monthly. The other credit cards I have aside from Chase are:
Citi Professional CitiFoward DiscoverCard WalMart DiscoverCard Fido AMEX Fido Visa PenFed Visa
I the process of writing a letter to JPMorgan Chase Chairman and CEO, Jamie Dimon. I am also a contributing writer for WalletPop. I will be writing a post on this whole situation in the coming weeks. In addition, some of my loyal friends, family and business associates have, in support for me and at my request, closed or are in the process of closing their JP Morgan Chase bank accounts.
They seriously screwed with the wrong person. They stirred up a hornets nest. Stay tuned and see what happens.
Can you detail what is the likely reason for these closures? Unusual money movement or payments sent to third parties which chase could consider risky?
I've heard a few situations of chase doing this, and it usually involved some large money movements they didn't like
Why were you paying a $500 annual fee for a line of credit, when you have $65k 'free' credit with them as well? (I know this sounds kinda smart-ass, but its not ment to be - either paying the fee to keep the line open really was a waste, or there are features that make it worthwhile that I'd really like to hear about).
Nope. Mostly only pay credit card bills from my then Chase account, as well as my investment account @ GS. All payments were to Fido, AMEX, Citi and ironically Chase. Interestingly enough, they only closed one of my accounts and credit lines, and left the others open. As soon as the month ends and I can get the final statement, I will be closing the others too. Since the Cash Back with Chase sucks now, I couldn't care less about the credit cards. However, I do not want to close then an risk upsetting the other credit card companies.
I moved to a regional bank. They are much nicer and actually seem to care about their clients more than the mega banks. That is true, in the scheme of things, it probably doesn't matter to them. However, I would be surprised if someone in the Chairman's office does not take a look.
comptalk said: Not sure. Just last month, they gave me another 16k credit card. I called my banker and left 3 messages over the last 2 weeks. Not one call back. Called the 800 support, they said its in their right to do so and a letter will be explaining why. The letter sent only says they are in their right to close their account with no reason. I have since moved my savings account and both business accounts to another bank. My FICO's are all north of 800. I have no debt and pay the bill off monthly. The other credit cards I have aside from Chase are:
Citi Professional CitiFoward DiscoverCard WalMart DiscoverCard Fido AMEX Fido Visa PenFed Visa
I the process of writing a letter to JPMorgan Chase Chairman and CEO, Jamie Dimon. I am also a contributing writer for WalletPop. I will be writing a post on this whole situation in the coming weeks. In addition, some of my loyal friends, family and business associates have, in support for me and at my request, closed or are in the process of closing their JP Morgan Chase bank accounts.
They seriously screwed with the wrong person. They stirred up a hornets nest. Stay tuned and see what happens.
Gee, I'm gonna Short Chase stock! That will be some easy money for me!!! Reckon they can survive this RUN on the bank? If they don't, think of all the money I will make!~!!!!
Glitch99 said: Why were you paying a $500 annual fee for a line of credit, when you have $65k 'free' credit with them as well? (I know this sounds kinda smart-ass, but its not ment to be - either paying the fee to keep the line open really was a waste, or there are features that make it worthwhile that I'd really like to hear about).
Its was a 50k line of credit. They gave it to me a few years ago. Every year they waived the fee. This year though, my banker never called me back. Amazing customer service.
comptalk said: Its was a 50k line of credit. They gave it to me a few years ago. Every year they waived the fee. This year though, my banker never called me back. Amazing customer service.
It costs money a bank to maintain a line of credit for you. If you don't use it, it'll generally be closed. ING Direct told me they'll close my line of credit if I don't use it for 18 months.
leno
Member
posted: Aug. 29, 2010 @ 7:37p
Make sure you apply new credit cards as soon as you close out Chase's credit cards. It will take several weeks before the Credit bureaus getting the report from Chase.
FWMember00
Member
posted: Aug. 29, 2010 @ 7:37p
comptalk said: Nope. Mostly only pay credit card bills from my then Chase account, as well as my investment account @ GS. All payments were to Fido, AMEX, Citi and ironically Chase. Interestingly enough, they only closed one of my accounts and credit lines, and left the others open. As soon as the month ends and I can get the final statement, I will be closing the others too. Since the Cash Back with Chase sucks now, I couldn't care less about the credit cards. However, I do not want to close then an risk upsetting the other credit card companies.
I moved to a regional bank. They are much nicer and actually seem to care about their clients more than the mega banks. That is true, in the scheme of things, it probably doesn't matter to them. However, I would be surprised if someone in the Chairman's office does not take a look.
GS = Goldman Sachs?
redwing99
Happy Member
posted: Aug. 29, 2010 @ 8:38p
SlimTim said: The answer is easy if you take it logically.
There must be fifty ways to leave your lender. You just fill out a new slip, Flip Get a new vault, Walt Grab a new bank, Frank Just get yourself free . . .
Chase seems to be playing defensive in a haphazard way: they cut my overdraft line of credit by 1k first and then couple months later another 5k (down to 1k) ; they cut 5k from a previous 6k CC line, BUT they left intact my other CC's of 24k, 17k, 5k ,1.5k and 0.5k ... go figure...
The same week Citi approved me for a new 15k credit line which is not reflected in the credit report yet
comptalk said: In addition, some of my loyal friends, family and business associates have, in support for me and at my request, closed or are in the process of closing their JP Morgan Chase bank accounts.Why not simply leave your friends and family out of it? You don't know their exact situations, and closing these accounts could seriously impact THEIR financial future. Dam that's selfish.
curtisekarr said: comptalk said: In addition, some of my loyal friends, family and business associates have, in support for me and at my request, closed or are in the process of closing their JP Morgan Chase bank accounts.Why not simply leave your friends and family out of it? You don't know their exact situations, and closing these accounts could seriously impact THEIR financial future. Dam that's selfish.
Never asked them too. They just said they did or were going too. Most are small biz owners and can understand the effect of having Chase do this to someone. Thus, instead of having the same possibly happen to them, they they are being pre-emtive and just choosing to move to another bank. I never asked or suggested for anyone to leave on my accord.
comptalk said: curtisekarr said: comptalk said: In addition, some of my loyal friends, family and business associates have, in support for me and at my request, closed or are in the process of closing their JP Morgan Chase bank accounts.Why not simply leave your friends and family out of it? You don't know their exact situations, and closing these accounts could seriously impact THEIR financial future. Dam that's selfish.
Never asked them too. They just said they did or were going too. Most are small biz owners and can understand the effect of having Chase do this to someone. Thus, instead of having the same possibly happen to them, they they are being pre-emtive and just choosing to move to another bank. I never asked or suggested for anyone to leave on my accord.Seriously? Did you inhale? Did you have sexual relations with that woman? Are there WMD's? Have you found the Real Killer?
Think what you like. Most of you have already formed your opinions; regardless of how misguided or misunderstood they may be. Talk amongst yourselves, as I am no longer participating in the thread.
comptalk said: Glitch99 said: Why were you paying a $500 annual fee for a line of credit, when you have $65k 'free' credit with them as well? (I know this sounds kinda smart-ass, but its not ment to be - either paying the fee to keep the line open really was a waste, or there are features that make it worthwhile that I'd really like to hear about).Its was a 50k line of credit. They gave it to me a few years ago. Every year they waived the fee. This year though, my banker never called me back. Amazing customer service.A $500 annual fee for a $50k LOC? Was this an unsecured business line? Were you using it? How was the fee paid?
I have to ask, too, what is this reference to "my banker?" Who has their own banker these days? Are you talking about some branch manager? Or do you have some kind of private banking officer assigned to you?
As others have mentioned, trying to "stick it to the bank" isn't going to be very productive. If you really need or want to preserve the banking relationship, go see "your banker" and figure out what is going on. If you really want the $500 back, start lobbying for that. The #1 rule for any kind of customer service rant is to figure out what you want, and then ask for it. Just trying to hurt or smear the company isn't very productive.
I will resist the urge to pile on and question the OP's story and what he may have left out of it.
But I am continually puzzled by the personal way in which people take these 'slights' by a bank. People, it's a business relationship. It's not a marriage. So, Chase closed some of your accounts. Get over it. To close other potentially beneficial accounts with Chase because they closed others is just silly. Of course, if there isn't anything else of value in your Chase relationship that's of value to you, then, sure, sever the relationship. That's not slighting Chase any more than they slighted you. It's simply a business decision based on sound financial reasoning.
My current Chase relationship includes 3 checking accounts, an IRA, a couple of investment accounts, and nine credit cards. In the past, I've had other checking accounts, savings accounts, a mortgage, a HELOC, and more. If Chase were to close all of my accounts tomorrow, I'd...bank elsewhere. If Chase were to close half of my accounts tomorrow, I'd continue using Chase for the accounts for which it's useful and find other options for the accounts which they closed.
As far as customer service at local institutions versus the 'mega-banks' like Chase, well, YMMV. I've banked with several local hometown banks (2-3 branches), regional banks, and credit unions (currently member of about 6). I have never had better and more personal customer service than at Chase.
Chase assigned to me a specific personal banker, Ilene, at my local Chase branch. I can call Ilene directly any time I have a question or an issue. I'm also on a first name basis with two other bankers (Wendy and Melanie) at my local branch. They've been most helpful in getting me the best deals from Chase and best exploiting my accounts not managed by Chase. They've also been helpful through several mortgage refi's, one of which was out of state, and another case where a Chase banker hand-delivered my cashier's check to the title company when I was out of state. Ironically, that one was when we were moving our mortgage away from Chase. They didn't take it personally. In fact the banker noted "heck, you're getting a great rate; better than anything we could offer you. Congratulations."
All that to say, if my Chase relationship ceased being of value, I'd drop them like a bad habit. On the other hand, if Chase determined that aspects of their relationship with me were not of value to them, why should I be insulted if they closed some or all of my accounts? It's just business.
Chris.
mademanscott
New Member
posted: Aug. 31, 2010 @ 7:13p
Citi is on the rocks as well. Bank of America is doing the same thing. I would try and find a small bank or credit union. Some one who took no tarp moneyGboogie America
cpaynter said: People, it's a business relationship.
And probably a random decision at that. Or even one based on a typo. Or some peon's misunderstanding of some mid-level VP's brainf@rt. Or closed by accident when they were trying to process a valid close for someone else with a similar name or account number.
There's a reason why banks are not entrusted with the nuclear launch codes.
I'm always surprised how the word "relationship" is misused in the context of banking business. You see, the bank is the prostitute and you are the "John". The pimp is the investment branch of the mega-bank. If you truly want a banking "relationship", you need to be doing your banking with a small, locally-owned operation where you have access to the bank president.
I had to chuckle when OP said he was writing a letter to Jamie Dimon. That's hilarious. I do know that some people have gotten results doing that, but I really can't imagine he'd take a personal interest in OP's satisfaction.
delzy said: I'm always surprised how the word "relationship" is misused in the context of banking business. You see, the bank is the prostitute and you are the "John". The pimp is the investment branch of the mega-bank. If you truly want a banking "relationship", you need to be doing your banking with a small, locally-owned operation where you have access to the bank president.
I had to chuckle when OP said he was writing a letter to Jamie Dimon. That's hilarious. I do know that some people have gotten results doing that, but I really can't imagine he'd take a personal interest in OP's satisfaction.
This is probably the most idiotic post I have ever seen on FatWallet.
comptalk said: Nope. Mostly only pay credit card bills from my then Chase account, as well as my investment account @ GS. All payments were to Fido, AMEX, Citi and ironically Chase. Interestingly enough, they only closed one of my accounts and credit lines, and left the others open. As soon as the month ends and I can get the final statement, I will be closing the others too. Since the Cash Back with Chase sucks now, I couldn't care less about the credit cards. However, I do not want to close then an risk upsetting the other credit card companies.
I moved to a regional bank. They are much nicer and actually seem to care about their clients more than the mega banks. That is true, in the scheme of things, it probably doesn't matter to them. However, I would be surprised if someone in the Chairman's office does not take a look.
Sorry but if you have a measly $65k credit line from 5 different banks you do not have an investment account at GS, I call bullshit. To have an investment accountat Goldman you need minimum $5MM cash and your CL would be at least $250k per card (more like $1 or $2 MM per card) not $65k over 5 cards. How do I know? Lets just say that I know.
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