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Hello everyone,
I'm wondering if this is a common practice. Re-finance rate jumped from 4.375% to 4.875% on the day before closing. I'm steaming right now. I feel like I've been a victim of a bait-and-switch tactic.

Here is the situation. I've been working with x company to refinance my townhouse for over a month now. my current rate is 5.25% 30 yr and the new rate is suppose to be 4.375 no cost. I have excellent credit (800s) and my LTV is below 80%, all documents, income, etc.. verified. Appraisal completed and HOA questionnaire completed (together cost around $700 out of pocket already) + new content insurance coverage is required so I also purchase a year of that as well (around $200).

Everything is set for closing and then today I received an email from the loan officer that my rate have changed from 4.375% to 4.875% because they JUST realized that my townhouse is under a condo policy (we have a master policy for the building structure which is common) and they knew this property is under a master policy from the beginning. I'm upset that after spending close to 1k, they are just now telling this. Has this happened to anyone? Last time I check, A condo: you own only the interiors while a town house you own the land as well as the interiors plus any yard or deck (which is what I have).

Any advice or suggestions is greatly appreciated.

Thanks



its a refi, right?

You can either refuse to close unless they honor the rate (some loan reps will make adjustments bc their commission is on the line) or you can sign the refi then IMMEDIATELY rescind. You have 3 days to do so, read the right of recission docs carefully in your closing papers.... and if you rescind youll get all your costs back.

You may not get what youve spent so far if you just walk without signing then rescinding.

You should NAME the company after all this is over so others dont use them


SUCKISSTAPLES said: its a refi, right?

You can either refuse to close unless they honor the rate (some loan reps will make adjustments bc their commission is on the line) or you can sign the refi then IMMEDIATELY rescind. You have 3 days to do so, read the right of recission docs carefully in your closing papers.... and if you rescind youll get all your costs back.

You may not get what youve spent so far if you just walk without signing then rescinding.

You should NAME the company after all this is over so others dont use them

Be careful about relying on the right to rescind. If you are refinancing with the same lender and not taking cash out, then they don't have to give a 3 day rescission option. Sounds like OP is refinancing with a different lender, so he can rescind within 3 days, but just a heads up for others who are refinancing with their current lender.


I will give them a chance to correct this. If they decide to take advantage of the situation, I will file a BBB complain (if that does anything) and disclose the company so others don't use them. I've refinanced many times, and never heard of increasing the rate just because the property has a master policy (which they knew from the start). I thought the rate is mostly based on your LTV and credit score... and once it's locked (for over a month now), you can't change it (provided that you qualify for the loan, which I do).

SUCKISSTAPLES said:

its a refi, right?

You can either refuse to close unless they honor the rate (some loan reps will make adjustments bc their commission is on the line) or you can sign the refi then IMMEDIATELY rescind. You have 3 days to do so, read the right of recission docs carefully in your closing papers.... and if you rescind youll get all your costs back.

You may not get what youve spent so far if you just walk without signing then rescinding.

You should NAME the company after all this is over so others dont use them


They aren't raising your rate because of the condo policy. They are raising your rate because they think they can get away with it.

Excerpt from mortgage lender handbook:Day before closing:

Call borrower and tell them, "I'm sorry, something has just come up and we are going to have to write your loan at a higher rate because ________(insert bullsh1t here___________."

Hold their feet to the fire and don't budge.


Hi, Contrary to popular belief we Brokers are not all crooks! There is a difference between what banks pay for Single family DETACHED, single family ATTACHED, and Condos. I'm on one of my bank pricing calculators now and with the only difference in the loan scenario being from a single family attached to a Condo the pricing increases by .1375%. So if they are hitting you for .500% that is a large jump. I'm in MA and you can rescind after the closing and get all your costs back including the appriasal, credit fee, etc. So if they won't compromise then you have a good option. Hope this helps! Thanks, Pat


rcho said: Hello everyone,
I'm wondering if this is a common practice. Re-finance rate jumped from 4.375% to 4.875% on the day before closing. I'm steaming right now. I feel like I've been a victim of a bait-and-switch tactic.

Here is the situation. I've been working with x company to refinance my townhouse for over a month now. my current rate is 5.25% 30 yr and the new rate is suppose to be 4.375 no cost. I have excellent credit (800s) and my LTV is below 80%, all documents, income, etc.. verified. Appraisal completed and HOA questionnaire completed (together cost around $700 out of pocket already) + new content insurance coverage is required so I also purchase a year of that as well (around $200).

Everything is set for closing and then today I received an email from the loan officer that my rate have changed from 4.375% to 4.875% because they JUST realized that my townhouse is under a condo policy (we have a master policy for the building structure which is common) and they knew this property is under a master policy from the beginning. I'm upset that after spending close to 1k, they are just now telling this. Has this happened to anyone? Last time I check, A condo: you own only the interiors while a town house you own the land as well as the interiors plus any yard or deck (which is what I have).

Any advice or suggestions is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

You should first demand that they honor the rate. If they do not, file a complaint with the BBB and if you used a mortgage broker report him/her to appropriate agency. Then file small claims court to recoup your out of pocket expenses.

If you do not have time then just close the loan and refi into what's available today which is much better than the four and seven eights coupon you got.


Hi all, thanks for all the responses. I was able to talk with the broker again and we managed to work out something that is competitive with the current rates. My original contract was better when they quoted me as a townhome but i'm only slighly more at closing to get that rate. I decided to take the offer and we closed today. What PatTovey said makes sense that lenders do charge slight more (but no .5 point more) for properties that are considered as a "Condo" even if it's physically a townhouse (multi-floors, own the land, no condo fee, etc..). It's unfortunate that builders chose to recorded it as a condo to cut cost and the home owner end up taking the hit later.
I'm happy with my refinance and my monthly saving is around $300 compared to my previous payment (5.25%, now @ 4.375 30yr/fix). Thanks everyone.


PatTovey said: Hi, Contrary to popular belief we Brokers are not all crooks! There is a difference between what banks pay for Single family DETACHED, single family ATTACHED, and Condos. I'm on one of my bank pricing calculators now and with the only difference in the loan scenario being from a single family attached to a Condo the pricing increases by .1375%. So if they are hitting you for .500% that is a large jump. I'm in MA and you can rescind after the closing and get all your costs back including the appriasal, credit fee, etc. So if they won't compromise then you have a good option. Hope this helps! Thanks, Pat


the fact your lender was able to "work with you" with you juat payiong more closing costs suggests they were lying just to make more money by this last minute change.

Next time stick to your guns or make them eat the costs.

Thanks for updating


He has bigger things to worry about, such as roomate's gf


rcho said: Last time I check, A condo: you own only the interiors while a town house you own the land as well as the interiors plus any yard or deck (which is what I have).This statement, combined with the fact that the broker was supposedly able to keep the lower rate as long as you paid up a little more closing costs, makes be think that you got the "townhouse rate" because that's what you have, not because they "worked something out."

Real estate terms vary by region. Get in a discussion here of condo, townhouse, duplex, multi-family, apartment, co-op, etc., and you will find that the terms mean different things depending on where you are located. Whay you have sounds like an attached single-family residence, not a condo, for rate-setting purposes.

As an aside, the last "townhouse" I owned, I owned the land, the inside, and the outside. Every case is different.


I recently refinanced my condo and two brokers quoted me a higher price because it was a condo, but my local credit union gave me their advertised rate without question (which was also better). When I went to closing the title agent told me that because of the recent financial overhauls, that the fees at closing could not be more than 10% above your GFE and any changes to the contract had to be completed at least 48hours before scheduled closing (I had to sign that I received and accepted an updated appraisal).
I'm not sure if your lender was allowed to make changes to your contract that close to closing, looks like a money grab.




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