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This information has been peppered amongst many threads, but occassionally when things such as The Citi Cashreturns card dies, or MBNA billpay dies, etc, people come out of the woodwork and admit they have been making $1000, $5000 or more per month using FWF tricks.


I'd like to hear from others who currently (or have in the past) make serious coin from FWF tactics. About $1000/month or more...preferably those doing a lot more. You dont need to post what your currently up to, perhaps you want to reminisce about some prior (closed) opportunities. If you dont even want to reveal your screename, Feel free to PM me.


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- Citi AA 75k Mile deal x2 - You can sign up for two cards at once, spend $1500 in 6 months and get a total of 150k miles - Value of ~ $1800. Link

- Chase Southwest - 1 Trip $500 in GCs x 2 - About $1600 in cash value assuming $300 per ticket value for free trip. Link

- Discover More Card $0 Fee/0% BT OR $250 Bonus for spending $1500/mo.

- Chase Continental One Pass - 50k mile offer - Equivalent of 2 round trip tickets after first purchase. Annual fee of $89 waived for first year. Link

Don't mind the conspiracy theorists in the thread, who ignore the fact that some of the "leeches" have posted the most lucrative deals on the forum.

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I'll go first...


I think my best month ever was a little more than $20k from one particular gift card deal (AAA Everyday Funds) I was making over $1500 per month during the heyday of 0% BT offers. I know some people here did a lot more, making $5-10k per month.


Not to sermonize but there is a line in the sand between taking advantage of generous offers when they pop up and blatantly exploiting them for near/criminal gain. A good example of this is the infamous micro deposit caper by a young enterprising person.

I'm not sure there was a law on the books that covered this particular scenario but the principle is on display.


BD929 said:   Not to sermonize but there is a line in the sand between taking advantage of generous offers when they pop up and blatantly exploiting them for near/criminal gain. A good example of this is the infamous micro deposit caper by a young enterprising person.

I'm not sure there was a law on the books that covered this particular scenario but the principle is on display.

There were definitely laws on the books that covered this scenario, the man used fake names, addresses, and social security numbers when opening these accounts.


The months after my 2nd App-o-Rama were all pretty good. The perfect storm of awesome 5%-6% savings accounts, maximizing and then consolidating credit lines with no BT fees, and generous credit card offers. My best month was between $1200 - $1600 and I was hitting $1000/month fairly regularly. I remember getting $100 checks (I had 7-8 Citi Cards between my wife, my father and me) from the Citi Credit Protector gas offer. Those came in 2-3 times a month. I still have two 0% for life BT still being paid back slowly, one from Discover and one from Citi. The 5% ATT Universal Citi Cards were fairly awesome; I remember applying for those in November and then maxing the $300 Cash Back per year by the end of December and then starting again in January.

I remember trying to explain to my father (who contributes to what I am doing with his credit but doesn't profit from it) how much money I was borrowing. I had $240,000 at my highest point. He would shake his head and say he would have done the same thing...

Now I'm lucky to make $300-400. I have an $18K capped fee BT sitting in a rewards checking account making 4.5%. I've just taken advantage of two Chase Sapphire promos ($600) but the BT offers are all dried up and that was where the big money for me was. I occasionally buy some coins to maximize a credit card offer (like the Citi ThankYou Premier). At least all the repaying of the credit really improved both of our credit scores and we were able to refinance to a 4.25% 20 year fixed mortgage from Citizens Bank. Shaved off 4 years and 1.25% from our rate, saving us nearly $100,000 over the life of the loan. I guess that was a pretty good month too!


When live.com/bing was running the CashBack promotion, I would stack CB among multiple sites, and buy/sell gold.

Had a very good run with that


I capped out at about $500/month during the AOR golden age.

I've still got about 20k out there at 0.9% for life.

I also bought several thousand dollars worth of quarters from the US Mint. Got a bunch of airline miles for that. I kept a couple of hundred pounds of quarters in my car trunk through the winter to improve traction on the road. (R.I.P., that deal)


In my best AOR in 2007 I had $255K of debt earning 12% for just over a year.

Most was at 0% but I think I had a $3500 card at 1.9% and I had to shell out about $1,200 in BT fees.

I also got a free portable hard drive and a free flight from Newark, NJ to San Francisco from an AMEX gold card.


i never made $1000+ in a month. I did 2 AOR's and made about $4000 on each during the 12 months on each. and i've done various checking/saving/online trading account sign up bonuses and Citi Thank you Points on credit card sign up offers. I did the US mint coins a few times but my local bank was anal about taking the coins (sometimes they'd want them rolled, other times they'd want them in bags). that's about it.


therivler1 said:   When live.com/bing was running the CashBack promotion, I would stack CB among multiple sites, and buy/sell gold.

Had a very good run with that

Ditto, I was clearing 2-3K monthly during Bing heydays, north of 20K total only on Bing CB plus other rewards sites stacked , plus CC rewards/miles plus being educated in PMs - priceless.

Now I'm at $$600-700 range, no sweat, but no excitement either.


neophyte said:   therivler1 said:   When live.com/bing was running the CashBack promotion, I would stack CB among multiple sites, and buy/sell gold.

Had a very good run with that

Ditto, I was clearing 2-3K monthly during Bing heydays, north of 20K total only on Bing CB plus other rewards sites stacked , plus CC rewards/miles plus being educated in PMs - priceless.

Now I'm at $$600-700 range, no sweat, but no excitement either.

how do you get $600 - $700 per month...do share!


FatWalletLurker said:   I capped out at about $500/month during the AOR golden age.

I've still got about 20k out there at 0.9% for life.

I also bought several thousand dollars worth of quarters from the US Mint. Got a bunch of airline miles for that. I kept a couple of hundred pounds of quarters in my car trunk through the winter to improve traction on the road. (R.I.P., that deal)

Quarters?


I think I topped out around $500/month as well doing AORs with the additional mile/sign-up bonus thrown in. I've been moderately successful the last few months with sign-up bonuses but there was definitely a dead period about two years ago where I felt like the opportunities were very small.


highest was about $12k with BT in 07, now only consistently make $10/month from discover credit balance refund LOL


I did two AORs (thanks suckis!) several years ago and did well before my spendaholic spouse caught wind of all the cards we had and I decided the risk of having them overcharged was too great. But while I remained under the cover of secrecy from said spouse, it was all good. (Thanks again, suckis!) I would be interested to hear from other people with saving/moneymaking-type habits who are married to people withOUT those habits - and how THEY'VE fared. We get along in most ways, but that is one way where there is truly no common ground. Anyone know if there's a thread like that round here? Couldn't find anything in search.


maxfleischer said:   I did two AORs (thanks suckis!) several years ago and did well before my spendaholic spouse caught wind of all the cards we had and I decided the risk of having them overcharged was too great. But while I remained under the cover of secrecy from said spouse, it was all good. (Thanks again, suckis!) I would be interested to hear from other people with saving/moneymaking-type habits who are married to people withOUT those habits - and how THEY'VE fared. We get along in most ways, but that is one way where there is truly no common ground. Anyone know if there's a thread like that round here? Couldn't find anything in search.

You start that thread and I will join it immediately


My AOR's for 2008 netted 20K+ for the year with about 450K in 0% money Averaging $1666/mo
2009, AOR was used to pay off the 4% mortgage thus continued to return 4% on the AOR money and about 2.5% on the rest averaging $600/mo
2010, AOR was used to continue the float on the mortgage thus continued to return 4% on the AOR money averaging ~$300/mo

Looking for the next homerun because 2011 looks horrible relative to past results.


2007 AOR1 - $25K (archived thread)
2008 AOR2 - $50+K (negotiated a 35% face value settlement for 2 largest accounts - archived thread)
2009 CCR - $45K (GCO)
2010 Schwab - $15K (gold & Bing)


Unfortunately the time I was able to join the credit game the AOR golden age had passed. However, right now I'm averaging about $250/mo from mint coins, bank bonuses, and using subsidized student loans for free interest money (as close to the AOR golden age as I'll get now). The extra money is definitely nice to have. I use some to cover my monthly train pass, then the rest I can use for fun without hitting my savings.


EdMcK515 said:   Unfortunately the time I was able to join the credit game the AOR golden age had passed. However, right now I'm averaging about $250/mo from mint coins, bank bonuses, and using subsidized student loans for free interest money (as close to the AOR golden age as I'll get now). The extra money is definitely nice to have. I use some to cover my monthly train pass, then the rest I can use for fun without hitting my savings.

How are you getting $250/ mo from mint coins?


AOR I netted $6K

AOR II - netted $16K - got cocky and went hog wild

AOR III - netted about $4-$6K was changing from HY reward accounts every 2 months rate chasing.

Wife has seen me make side money for years in a variety of ways and was totally on board after she started to get a few $250 statement credits (AMEX), $100 gift cards, $100 credit protector checks, and $500 option express.

Ultimately, while satisfied with the extra income, I regret I did not get MORE aggressive and pay off entire mortgage using AOR funds (with a heloc as security blanket) - I could have really cleaned up and with a little sacrifice paid off mortgage (my only debt) over 5-7 years.

I still have some AOR funds in two 5% reward accounts now that will probably make me about $4K new this year.

Like everyone here, still looking for new opportunities. And, I know they are out there.

I also trade stocks - but that is another thread and I have, thankfully, never fallen and allowed my natural greed to entice me to mix AOR funds with investments funds.


Although not finance related as such, the buying and selling a Nintendo Wiis was a big money earner for many people for the first 3 years since it's release. I've done okay with AORs in the past and averaged $500/month, but those days are gone for a while since the 5 to 6% CDs/savings are gone along with the 0% rate/0% fees. Now, I open accounts (checking and cc) for bonuses and points. The points I convert to either cash, gift cards or free vacations. Still doing one free vacation per year which means about $6000 to $12000 depending on where we go (free air/hotel/food). Average $200 extra cash/month between my wife and I with bank offers. The next big resale item that will be sold out and therefore worth money to resellers is the Nintendo 3DS which will be released this spring. It's the first 3d screen (portable game player) that you don't need 3d glasses. They will not be able to keep up with demand on that all the way thru next Christmas.


A steady $15.79/month from small balance credits!

In reality, anything I could mention would pale in comparison to the CashReturns days. These days, even the "big" scores feel like pocket change. Although they do still add up.


Not mine, but a somebody I know netted about $300K. Maxed out CC for cash, then left the country.


Now every Christmas I get nostalgic for the mall rewards promo from Discover.

Having a black trash bag full of cards in my trunk, driving to my next mall, hoping that the available credit would free up from the previous days return.

good times.


eaken said:   Not mine, but a somebody I know netted about $300K. Maxed out CC for cash, then left the country.Now that simply doesnt count. We could all score 6-figures if fleeing the country was part of the strategy.


eaken said:   Not mine, but a somebody I know netted about $300K. Maxed out CC for cash, then left the country.

That's just theft. Theft that we're all paying for now. You, me, all other taxpayers.

If the banks refused to give credit to Chinese/Indians/whatever BECAUSE their ethnicity made them a greater risk for fleeing the country, people would scream discrimination!

I forget the amount I made but I bought a big tranche of PenFed CDs on CashBack credit cards back when they allowed that. I was going to buy the CDs anyway, the CashBack was gravy. Gallons of gravy


ganda said:   eaken said:   Not mine, but a somebody I know netted about $300K. Maxed out CC for cash, then left the country.

That's just theft. Theft that we're all paying for now. You, me, all other taxpayers.

If the banks refused to give credit to Chinese/Indians/whatever BECAUSE their ethnicity made them a greater risk for fleeing the country, people would scream discrimination!

I forget the amount I made but I bought a big tranche of PenFed CDs on CashBack credit cards back when they allowed that. I was going to buy the CDs anyway, the CashBack was gravy. Gallons of gravy

And you are saying Americans cannot flee the country? Heard of a little country down south called Mehico? When loonies kidnap their own kids during a divorce or commit murder, thats the first place they flee towards. Why bring ethnicity into this discussion.


What does AOR mean?


ahmadcpa said:   What does AOR mean?
Red


I did $6,500 in one month Cash Back on the Citi Cash Returns deal. RIP.

There was a grocery chain gift card opportunity a few years back where they were adding 10% to gift cards purchased, AND they were allowing gift card purchases with gift cards. It lasted 30 days before the loophole was closed. Best 24 hour period for me was $1700. That one never made it on the deal sites .

Currently, there is still good money to be made even with 3% uncapped BT. Sure, it's a lot more work than simply sticking money in a 6% account. For me the game is and has been importing. Example: Buy something for 30 cents sell for $1. Repeat this hundreds of thousands of times in 3 months and the 3% BT fee is not a big deal.


I'm always impressed by the heavy hitters. I got over $1K/mo only twice (live CB + reselling). My best AOR was $500/mo. Even with dealpass I only made+saved <$400/mo, and that was a lot of work. Right now it's just $5-7/mo in small balance credits.


Vanilla10 said:   There was a grocery chain gift card opportunity a few years back where they were adding 10% to gift cards purchased, AND they were allowing gift card purchases with gift cards. It lasted 30 days before the loophole was closed. Best 24 hour period for me was $1700. That one never made it on the deal sites .Dayam. What were the limiting factors?


scripta said:   Vanilla10 said:   There was a grocery chain gift card opportunity a few years back where they were adding 10% to gift cards purchased, AND they were allowing gift card purchases with gift cards. It lasted 30 days before the loophole was closed. Best 24 hour period for me was $1700. That one never made it on the deal sites .Dayam. What were the limiting factors?

What do you mean?


why only 1700 in 24 hours? Buy 10K of GCs with CC. Buy 11K of GCs with GCs, repeat til infinity. I'm guessing there were limits on something?


I've enjoyed reading about FW deals like AORs and U.S.Mint purchases, but I've never taken advantage of them. I just haven't had the time or inclination. I'm happy to simply receive my cc CashBack..........


scripta said:   why only 1700 in 24 hours? Buy 10K of GCs with CC. Buy 11K of GCs with GCs, repeat til infinity. I'm guessing there were limits on something?

I had to keep transactions to about $1200 because it was tied to loyalty card. But you could rinse and repeat ad infinitum. I didn't spend all day in one store so as not to draw attention. Another limiting factor was sleep. These were 24 hour stores so I didn't get much of it.


That's pretty epic, Vanilla. Did you throw in a few token items with each purchase, and if not, did anyone ever ask why you were buying gift cards with gift cards?

As a much smaller but amusing aside, I've found a couple of grocery store infinte loops with checkout coupons. One was 10-packs of Paper Mate pens for three for a dollar. The store also had a promo where if you bought at least 10 participating items, you got a $4 off your next shopping order checkout coupon. So spend $3.33 plus tax, get a $4 checkout coupon. Rinse; repeat. Limiting factor there was inventory of pens, and the fact that your order had to exceed $4 before you could use the $4 coupon. Found a can of beans or something that was about right to make up the diff. I did clear my metro area stores out of pens, and I donated sacks of them to every public school within five miles of my house.

Another was almost identical, but it was Post cereals. They had Toasties or something marked three for five dollars, and if you bought three participating post cereals, got $5 off your next grocery order. That one benefitted my local homeless shelter, where they are probably still eating the stuff. I always tried to mix it up, going through self-check some and then through different regular lines. When the coupon spat out, I'd always say, "Wow, look at that."


At this point I feel like nothing will be as good as the fresh-out-of-gradshool 0% offers. At one point I had over 250k in <0.5% BT money earning >4%.

The best deal I ever had, though, was using BT money to sell reverse mortgages to patients at a local hospice. I suppose I paid a little more than a bank would, but high turnover was also basically guaranteed (plus after the first one I just used the same contract and didn't have to pay the lawyer as much).

Between coins, bank bonuses, and bill pay shenanigans I sometimes feel like it's not even worth it. Sad times indeed.


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There is a prepaid card called Upside. They used to have it so that you could have funds direct deposited into your account easily. They gave you a routing and account number as soon as you signed up. You got one point for each dollar loaded onto the card. $4500 equaled $50 CashBack.

This version of the card was for teens so I signed my brother up and my "teen" self and easily made $50 a week on both cards. Unfortunately the party only lasted three months before they blocked the accounts due to "fraud". Luckily there were no funds in there at the time and I did not feel like dealing with it so I just shut it down.

Now you have to send in a copy of your drivers license before they will give you the routing and account number for direct deposit. You can still load funds by credit card (150 max load at 2.50 per load/1000 per month. I have a 1.75% visa so I was coming out on top) or by bank transfer through their site(you have to fill out a form and send it in and it can take a week for the funds to be available). I tried signing up again to see if maybe I can get the routing and account number anyway but I am banned.




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