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I drive a 2004 Mercury Grand Marquis.

Reasons to drive a Crown Vic (or G Marquis, or Town Car):
-outstanding safety, 5 out of 5 stars in all 5 categories
-cheap labor, cheap parts, easy to repair, won't need to be repaired if maintained
-can hold 6 people
-my grand marquis has 3 child safety seat locks in the back
-can tow
-GREAT value (Grand Marquis depreciates quicky - get one afterwards)
-ultimate road-trip machine

Concerns:
-gas (but not as bad as you would think)
-harder to drive in snow

I don't own a Crown Vic, but I do own a Caprice Classic that rolls a LT1 (Corvette V8 engine). Fixed the tranny and never had a problem since 1996.

its dark and we're wearing sunglasses

ppatin said:   foche911 said:   Early 2000 and later Buick LeSabre is better and will get 29-30 Mpg Hwy for most drivers. I gave $2800 for my 2002 with 78,000 miles and average 28 City and Highway. These and Regal are arguably best vehicle GM ever made.

One great thing about used Buicks is that they're generally bought by old people (not a stereotype, I believe the average Buick purchaser's age is 70) who treat them fairly gently.


Another concern is that the car thieves like the older Buicks too. Easy to hot wire?

delzy said:   wp746911 said:   The spotlight goes through the a-pillar, but you are very accurate in describing how everyone yields and gets out of the way. When you pull up to a 4-way stop, it's sometimes a pain because people who have the right of way will sit and wait for you. I think it's a very deep psychological nature to worship authority in such ways.

I think most people just don't want the hassle of dealing with the average police, no "worship" involved.

kelle1202 said:   its dark and we're wearing sunglasses
106 miles to chicago...

Buy a civilian version with 2.71 gear ratio in the back so you get better gas mileage... Local cops do beat the crap out of their cars. Highway patrol cars are probably better.

I drove a Grand Marquis and I got 27-28mpg on the freeway.

TTAC
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BlueEr03 said:   TTAC
Go to this website and read their "Panther Appreciation" posts. You will learn all you need to!
Invalid link. I also suggest crownvic.net

I have owned a Crown Vic as a daily driver since 1997 (just about to get rid of it this month). I bought it as a five year old used card (1993 model built in 12/1992) for $8500. It was the second year of the new body style that was used until manufacturing was discontuined. I took it from 62k to 187k miles. It was a loaded for the time LX with the HPP (higher performance package). Pros, great ride, decent handling with the HPP, huge trunk, safe, interior space decent but not as good as you would expect for this size car, particularly the back seat. It was fairly cheap to operate. Insurance is very low because you will be one of the 2% of drivers under the age of 50 driving one (except cabbies and cops).

My 1993 was reliable to a point. I think the later ones were better. But I did have to do a few major repairs in the time I had it. The transmission required a $1000 repair arond 110k miles (known issue with early vics), I had to spend $1500 to have the valve seals replaced at 140k (could have done it myself but was lazy). Other repairs that I mostly did myself, alternator (175k), entire AC system other than evaperator at 165k (did this myself and it still cost me $750), rusted out brake lines, power windows (more times than I care to count), replaced the stereo head unit twice (bought cheap junkyard pulls on eBay), EGR valve and tube (110k, tube is know to crack and leak on earlier vics). It sounds like a lot but all in all spread out of 13 years not too shabby. That said my wife 2000 Taurus Wagon with 152k miles on it, has been MUCH more reliable. How a 2000 or later Vic would be I don't know but I assume more reliable. Many of the problems I had were unique to the earler years, other than the electric windows which Ford should be ashamed of. I went through three power windoow repairs on the driver's window and all the other windows failed at least once. I am getting rid of it now because the clearcoat has totally failed, the air suspension has a leak and the driver's window has failed for the 4th time and the air bag light is now on for a faulty clock spring in the streering wheel. The latter two issues would not let me pass the state safety inspection.

Personally I'd really look closely at the numbers. I think if you can get a cheap vic then it will make up for the, at best fair gas mileage you will get. I averaged 19 in mixed driving, but then my car was 18 years old though it was about 300-400 pounds lighter than later Vics. Predicting fuel prices is probably a fools errand but with millions of Chinese and Indian's starting to drive I think they are more likely to rise than fall. That wouldn't eliminate a Vic from consideration but it would give me pause for thought.

Oh and as has already been mentioned the Vic is sooo easy to work on. Lots of space and simple for a modern car. Even if you don't do your own work it will be reflected in the labor you pay.

Isn't the biggest Crown Vic question "How do I remove the bio-hazard stains from the rear passenger compartment?"

There's no smell like perp smell.

BEEFjerKAY said:   Isn't the biggest Crown Vic question "How do I remove the bio-hazard stains from the rear passenger compartment?"

There's no smell like perp smell.


Lol, a friend of mine who's a DC cop has this "great" story about a schizophrenic homeless woman who took a dump all over the back of his patrol car and then made a comment about how she shouldn't have had KFC that day...

secstate said:   I have owned a Crown Vic as a daily driver since 1997 (just about to get rid of it this month). I bought it as a five year old used card (1993 model built in 12/1992) for $8500. It was the second year of the new body style that was used until manufacturing was discontuined. I took it from 62k to 187k miles.

My 1993 was reliable to a point. Personally I'd really look closely at the numbers. I think if you can get a cheap vic then it will make up for the, at best fair gas mileage you will get. I averaged 19 in mixed driving, but then my car was 18 years old though it was about 300-400 pounds lighter than later Vics. Predicting fuel prices is probably a fools errand but with millions of Chinese and Indian's starting to drive I think they are more likely to rise than fall. That wouldn't eliminate a Vic from consideration but it would give me pause for thought.

Oh and as has already been mention the Vic is sooo easy to work on. Lots of space and simple for a modern car. Even if you don't do your own work it will be reflected in the labor you pay.


Thanks. My reason for starting the thread was I saw a 2001 Street Appearance Package P71 Crown Vic with 68,000 Miles on it. Dealer price is $6000. My main concern is the prior department put window tint on it to the point it probably won't pass DC inspection. I had to figure out what it's going to take to remove it. Since I'm going to have to do work on any vehicle I'm going to buy I've been looking at auctions which have much lower cost to acquire.

You are right about having lots of room in the engine compartment. I used to own a 93 Nissan Maxima which allowed me to change the alternator myself. Compared to my sister's 2001 Jetta which looked like a solid block of metal and plastic under the hood and I couldn't even see half the components without taking off a bunch of plastic.

elektronic said:   Compared to my sister's 2001 Jetta which looked like a solid block of metal and plastic under the hood and I couldn't even see half the components without taking off a bunch of plastic.

I swear VW intentionally designs their cars to be difficult to work on so you'll take them to the dealership for their profit motives. I help out a friend with a VW Jetta...it took me something like 45 minutes to swap out a headlight... had to remove all kinds of plastic and ridiculous stuff.

BEEFjerKAY said:   Isn't the biggest Crown Vic question "How do I remove the bio-hazard stains from the rear passenger compartment?"

There's no smell like perp smell.
The departments remove the plastic seats and replace them with the original vinyl when they dispose of the cars. If you think a brand new vinyl seat is a problem, you probably are just prejudiced against the car to start with.

Just poking some good-natured fun, my friend.

I don't care enough about cars to be prejudiced one way or another. And I really don't care what anyone else wants to drive.

Except for SiS, of course. I can never get enough pimp-mobile stories.

Paging chief Mucky Muck - please get a $3-$4k Vic deck it out in full FW regalia. Company car right there. Employee of the month can drive it and people here would cry when it was seen. Make it happen, lets pass a hat!

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   ColbyS said:   I thought the whole Crown Vic thing was a joke.

Gas is going to be $5 soon.

Just sayin.

It's not a joke. It's one of the cheapest, safest , roomiest, and most reliable cars ever made. It's also rear wheel drive built on a full frame, so it can tow.

And it will get 25mpg highway which isn't much worse than many imports. And better than almost ANY import SUV or sports car. My friends g35 gets 18mpg overall and a crown Vic can do better.


No it will not impress enthusiasts or snobs. But it's one of the best overall used car values.

Another standout for reliability and economy is any GM car with the 3800v6 engine. These get 30+ mpg so the fuel economy argument is a fallacy - these full size family haulers get better mpg than an econobox, while in roomy, leather lined comfort
I totally agree that the GM 3800 series is a great, super reliable engine, though as an owner of a '93 Bonneville and an '05 Grand Prix, I contest the 30 mpg part of your post. I will say that if you want a full size car like a Crown Vic but want better gas mileage and an overall fancier looking ride, a Bonneville is the way to go though.

nycll said:   firsttimelongtime said:   fasttimes said:   kamalktk said:   Cop shocks, cop tires...

And a half pack of cigarettes



And an empty box of donuts
no! A full tank of gas. Geez.


FIX THE CIGARETTE LIGHTER



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