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ScrawneyWallet said:   Despite a few references to Eastern, Buddhist, or Egyptian ontology in this thread, much of the rationale contained herein presupposes a Western (physical, materialistic, natural) understanding of reality (i.e. this life is all we have). Those who advocated this belief system were praised with a long green bar and their belief could be summarized as: "I did my best to help kitty die with dignity, knowing she was loved, prolonging her life as long as possible. I feel good about myself." Those of us who questioned these assumptions were rejected and punished with angry red bars. Our beliefs could be summarized as: "There's more to this life than meets the eye. Don't cling to life so tightly. Ending suffering appropriately can be a demonstration of mercy and compassion."

It was very common during Second World War (Great Patriotic War in ex-USSR) for wounded Russian solders to ask their comrades to end their life with a bullet so as not to suffer. It was a war time mercy comrades were supposed to do to help their friends to die quickly and with less pain. Most modern example may be Katrina hurricane when hospital workers had to euthanize some of the gravely ill patients not to leave them behind. There was no hurricane and no war 6/10/2011 here so I paid for that Cat to have that X-ray exam, and it had nothing to do with Western or Eastern or any other religion, philosophy or anything else of that sort. I did it because ďWTF, man, I can always end her life but it is too easy - I need to try to save it firstĒ. I do not speak cat language, so I don't know if she has asked me to die - I had to assume that she did not.
To add more, I can tell you something else. After I run over her and was looking for blood, I had 2 ideas - to grab a bucket of water to drown her or grab a large black plastic bag, place the cat inside and then attach the bag to my car muffler to end her life ASAP. I'm not Mother Teresa. But since the cat looked manageable I made myself to make an extra step - for me not to look behind later on and think that I did it too soon. I'm glad after all I did it, and many people say they are also glad that they sent their money to the Cat to help me to make that extra little step.
But you are very welcome to express your opinion and I'm glad that you can share it freely like I can share mine. It is United States after all.
Thank you

OP, you are the nicest stranger I have never met. Speaks a lot about your good intentions and character when you took the pain to reimburse all the money (atleast I got $10 back from you) that was donated to save the cat. I could have easily given more and you have made sure that next time I will be more open in just not trying to help fellow humans but also all the creatures on our planet. Thanks for starting this thread and making me be more introspective on things that go on around us and we pay too little attention to. You have unknowingly contributed to making me a better person. Thanks for that and may God bless you.

Rest in Peace
The End

The OP has shown enviable dedication to the completeness of thread. I hope we can all let it go and give him some rest. Now that the outcome has been finalized, I hope we can let this thread stand as it is, without it going off on tangents of unrelated discussion. Like life and death, morality ect. and let 77Rus put the final words to the tale.

Am I the only one who looked up stone markers with CATWALLET on it?

largeeyes said:   Am I the only one who looked up stone markers with CATWALLET on it?
I will get one later on and promise to post a picture of it so whoever wants to see it can see it. I'd like to spend my own money for that (I know many people want to volunteer) - 17 kind strangers asked me to keep their PayPal donations ($422.17) to cover all the bills ($372) and make a donation to a local animal shelter, so we didn't have any expenses after all and just want to buy something for Catwallet as well. Thank you all

OP, I was not online yesterday and I did not want the little contribution for catwallet back. You acted way too quick in returning it.

ScrawneyWallet said:   Despite a few references to Eastern, Buddhist, or Egyptian ontology in this thread, much of the rationale contained herein presupposes a Western (physical, materialistic, natural) understanding of reality (i.e. this life is all we have). Those who advocated this belief system were praised with a long green bar and their belief could be summarized as: "I did my best to help kitty die with dignity, knowing she was loved, prolonging her life as long as possible. I feel good about myself." Those of us who questioned these assumptions were rejected and punished with angry red bars. Our beliefs could be summarized as: "There's more to this life than meets the eye. Don't cling to life so tightly. Ending suffering appropriately can be a demonstration of mercy and compassion."

No, here's a more accurate summary of what happened:

OP fed a stray cat for two years, then accidentally injured the cat with his car. OP took the cat to a veterinarian since he had no reason to believe the cat had any health issues other than whatever damage was sustained from the incident with the car. Then the thread took off. It's that simple.

Your attempt to discredit the purely altruistic motives of the people who donated money to help the cat as self-serving can only be attributed to some ulterior motive. Those who received red bars consistently posted cruel comments about the cat, about animals in general, and about any humans who were trying to help the cat. They weren't being "punished" (to use your word - as if a little red line on a computer screen can somehow constitute punishment in any realistic way) for suggesting mercy and compassion. It was quite the opposite, really. Certain individuals had an agenda that consisted of diminishing the inherent value of the lives of nonhuman animals. This is a form of hatred that should not be tolerated. What these individuals hoped to accomplish by pushing this agenda is still a mystery to me, but I'm betting that it's in some way perverse.

"In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." - Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages." - Thomas Edison

"The squirrel that you kill in jest, dies in earnest." - Henry David Thoreau

Last time I checked, I believe this "Western (physical, materialistic, natural) understanding of reality (i.e. this life is all we have)" exists wherever there is mankind. That's just our, ironically, animal instinct to try to stay alive. Ok, some of us chose to kill themselves but that's another story for another day...

In the first Matrix movie, a little boy told Neo that "There's no spoon." Essentially, that's the underlying principle of the Buddhist teaching. You see, Budda is no god; instead he was just a human being (a rich prince in ancient India), no different than you and me. Though he was and still is the only one who reached nirvana.

After observing birth, aging, sickness and death, he realized that there was more to life. So he gave up all material things and lived a simpler life as a monk. He chose not to pursue questions like how on earth this world came about because that's simply beyond our comprehension (as human beings).

Instead, he taught people to live their life according to a set of moral principles. Believing in reincarnation, he believed if people followed his teachings this lifetime, their next life would be a step closer to nirvana. On the flip side, if you don't and do harmful things instead, you'd become a dog or a cat in your next life.

Like OP said, this is a free country but let's not try to tell someone else that "I'm right and you are wrong!" You ain't gonna be able to impose your belief system over theirs because they ain't gonna be able to impose theirs over yours either. So, let's not argue back and forth like we were teenagers, shall we?

Even though "There's more to this life than meets the eye", there's nothing wrong with some of us trying to help a kitty clinging to her life, willingly if I may add. I can't speak for others who helped also but I felt like I did a good thing and I slept better at night.

But then again, I'm just nobody...

wesleman said:    ... Believing in reincarnation, he believed if people followed his teachings this lifetime, their next life would be a step closer to nirvana. On the flip side, if you don't and do harmful things instead, you'd become a dog or a cat in your next life ....

this is why people should always be careful in not being too harsh in disciplining their animals ... as there is always a chance that the animal is a person really well-connected upstairs --- and they just screwed up a little bit

and the punishment for mistreating the animal may end up being quite a few lifetimes as a dog without food or a dog house

It all comes down to how we view other species. Some of us (many of who are on this thread) treat them just like our own kids and will spare (almost) no stone unturned (in terms of time, effort, money) to make them better.

While others say hey put them down. We are being compassionate but just put them down (and save the time, effort and money). Would you do the same with your kids? Oh wait but they are humans and your kids, surely there must be a difference between them and animals, right?

Well for some no, there is no difference and people have done extraordinary things for our pet friends.

If you can't understand or respect this love, please go piss somewhere else, leave this thread alone!!

wesleman said:   Believing in reincarnation, he believed if people followed his teachings this lifetime, their next life would be a step closer to nirvana. On the flip side, if you don't and do harmful things instead, you'd become a dog or a cat in your next life.

I understand that most human beings are speciesist in one way or another, at least to a limited extent. In most cases, it's only a matter of degree. For example, many vegans would save a human over a dog from a burning house if only one could be saved. Even Budda was speciesist when he created this hierarchy with humans at the top, "closer to nirvana," as you explained.

To my way of thinking, there's no shame in being a dog. Budda's speciesism is just one example of how pervasive speciesism is when it comes to human thinking. Because of this pervasiveness, speciesism has become ingrained in our collective thinking and behavior, but that does not make it an inalienable truth. It is anything but. Sadly, there are still people who demean, ridicule, and attempt to discredit as crazy anyone who doesn't unthinkingly accept the concept of human superiority and domination over animals. I realize Budda's intent was not malicious, but the general attitude of human superiority implied has manifested itself in negative ways that Budda himself probably never could have imagined.

Going back to the concept of the emergency of the burning house, this type of example is often used as justification for eating and/or wearing animals and animal products, but it's a faulty comparison. Just as people were wrong to condemn financial donations for Catwallet on the basis of saying that money should instead have gone to humans in need, it's not a zero-sum game. Saving a human over a dog or cat from a burning house in a real emergency is a rather uncommon situation. When people eat pork ribs, there's no "one or the other but not both" emergency. Eating pork ribs is not essential to human survival; in fact most doctors and health experts agree it's detrimental to human health.

In other words, never stop thinking, never stop questioning, never stop learning, and don't be afraid to go against the grain of society. Moral relativism is nothing more than an excuse that gutless people use to take the easy way out. If everyone else is jumping off a bridge, that doesn't mean you should jump off with them.

castaline said:   Rest in Peace
The End

The OP has shown enviable dedication to the completeness of thread. I hope we can all let it go and give him some rest. Now that the outcome has been finalized, I hope we can let this thread stand as it is, without it going off on tangents of unrelated discussion. Like life and death, morality ect. and let 77Rus put the final words to the tale.


Concur fully. Please allow CATWALLET to rest in peace and allow the OP to put closure to the honored thing he started. Allow the thread to stay truly as it was meant to be, please.

"A long time ago Iíve heard a story about Angels coming to us not to help, but to change us. They come in different, usually not the most unattractive shapes, and patiently wait for us to step forward and do something good Ė something that we usually never do. If that story is true, then who knows, maybe this little ugly cat was sent to try to change me and my wife. She came to the front door of our house two weeks before our daughter was born, 17 month ago, and since then, under rain, sun and snow, was patiently waiting on us to step forward - to see her not like an ugly annoying stray cat, but as a helpless creature that also needs love and attention. For many long months, she has taught us to share food, provide a little bit of care, to notice unattractive and annoying poor things that we usually donít see or donít want to see around us while busy with our own, more important stuff. And when kitty has finally found that she is loved, that all her efforts to make me and my wife a little bit better are finally successful, that there are actually many, many people in this World that can love her the way she is, that sent their money to help her, that were thinking about her for all these days, she got satisfied and went somewhere else - on her new assignment.
It is Catwallet story I will remember and will teach my daughter when she gets older. Thank you all"

Words of wisdom. Well said OP and sure hope (and feel) that you and yours did find an angel!

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I have worked with mentally retarded animals for several years. One of my greatest successes has been with Uglycat ("RAWR!"), who I have adopted as my avatar and personal mascot.

He is profoundly retarded and requires a large male orderly to escort him at all times in order to prevent him trying to eat his paws or mate with dangerous household appliances. Please send Bitcoins.

77Rus said:   This is the final report, full report and the final receipt. The Vet has actually done the surgery but didnít charge for it Ė I do apologize for my suspicion that he could have helped the cat to die. They didnít know that Catwallet has a tumor before they tried to insert endotracheal tube. The Cat had a weak heart - malnutrition, illnesses, injuries, rough life outside - very common for many stray cats I was told...Who did you believe was behind this conspiracy to allow Catwallet to die on the table?

Crazytree said:   77Rus said:   This is the final report, full report and the final receipt. The Vet has actually done the surgery but didnít charge for it Ė I do apologize for my suspicion that he could have helped the cat to die. They didnít know that Catwallet has a tumor before they tried to insert endotracheal tube. The Cat had a weak heart - malnutrition, illnesses, injuries, rough life outside - very common for many stray cats I was told...Who did you believe was behind this conspiracy to allow Catwallet to die on the table?
Delzy is the resident conspiracy "expert".

delzy said:    Who the F are you to tell others what to think?

Hey Delzy that's rich coming from you! You, who is telling others where to spend their time and money, is now complaining that others are telling you how to think. Hypocrite??

Crazytree said:   77Rus said:   This is the final report, full report and the final receipt. The Vet has actually done the surgery but didnít charge for it Ė I do apologize for my suspicion that he could have helped the cat to die. They didnít know that Catwallet has a tumor before they tried to insert endotracheal tube. The Cat had a weak heart - malnutrition, illnesses, injuries, rough life outside - very common for many stray cats I was told...Who did you believe was behind this conspiracy to allow Catwallet to die on the table?

I think when things don't pan out as expected (particularly when emotions come into play), the first instinct is to blame someone--anyone--for the outcome. That's human nature. You're an attorney--you make a living adjusting expectations, surely you realize this.

OP likely had the presence of mind (after the suddenness of Cawallet's death) to step back and take a long, hard look at the realities of this situation and realize that 99% of vets would never actively euthanize an animal without the OP's explicit consent.

Rescue animals and strays often come with a wealth of medical/behavioral baggage that even a clinician might not be able to initially diagnose. Most people taking on a pet that has been a stray or abused/neglected realize that fact pretty quickly out of the gate.

There is no such thing as a free "anything" and strays/rescue animals are no exception.


And I have to point out one thing--and I offer this up from the perspective of a person who has had animal companions her entire life: I look at animals as they are--creatures that have been domesticated to the point where they have become dependent; and as such it is my responsibility to provide care to creatures I take in--even to provide care to those coming to me for help. That may not be a perspective shared by everyone--but it seems to be one shared by many who joined in with the OP to help.

As an aside, I've made great judgments in the care I've provided--and in retrospect, I provided care that perhaps was more in my best interests than the animal's; that is par for the course when you are a sentient human being. You do the best you can and hope you're right more often than you are wrong.

I admire so much what the OP did. It takes a lot of self-awareness to get past a lot of the stuff that obfuscates the decision-making process and do what he could based on the information he had and his own feelings about the little cat.

The outcome wasn't what many of us following along had hoped but I am 100% confident the decisions were made with a great deal of consideration as to what was best for the little cat, his family and himself.

My .02

The pet, divorce, and gun threads always draw out all the wacos. Pretty sure this thread will be under moderation or locked this week.

bigcat007 said:   The pet, divorce, and gun threads always draw out all the wacos. Pretty sure this thread will be under moderation or locked this week.

perhaps any further discussions in the thread could be limited to those with cat avatars

MsWho2 said:   I think when things don't pan out as expected (particularly when emotions come into play), the first instinct is to blame someone--anyone--for the outcome. That's human nature.This is a particularly American trait. Not 100% analogous to the instant discussion, but when something goes wrong it is certainly someone's fault. But never yours.

germanpope said:   bigcat007 said:   The pet, divorce, and gun threads always draw out all the wacos. Pretty sure this thread will be under moderation or locked this week.

perhaps any further discussions in the thread could be limited to those with cat avatars


but then you'd have only the biggest weirdos of the bunch, oh wait...

RXC96 said:   germanpope said:   bigcat007 said:   The pet, divorce, and gun threads always draw out all the wacos. Pretty sure this thread will be under moderation or locked this week.

perhaps any further discussions in the thread could be limited to those with cat avatars


but then you'd have only the biggest weirdos of the bunch, oh wait...
I was like... "what kind of loser would have a cat avatar...?"


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bigcat007 said:   ...draw out all the wacos.Too soon!

wilesmt said:   BostonOne said:   Just because the outcome was bad doesn't mean the decision was wrong. OP made the proper decision given the information he had.

No, he didn't. Per the OP himself:

77Rus said:   The Cat had a weak heart - malnutrition, illnesses, injuries, rough life outside - very common for many stray cats I was told...

Even if the OP wasn't told this specifically until the poor animal passed away, it doesn't take a genius to figure out stray cats ALWAYS have issues.


My mother took in a stray who kind of adopted her. When Mom passed away, I inherited him. I held him and cried as he died when he was around 14.

May you have someone love you as much as I loved that cat.

Crazytree said:   RXC96 said:   germanpope said:   bigcat007 said:   The pet, divorce, and gun threads always draw out all the wacos. Pretty sure this thread will be under moderation or locked this week.

perhaps any further discussions in the thread could be limited to those with cat avatars


but then you'd have only the biggest weirdos of the bunch, oh wait...
I was like... "what kind of loser would have a cat avatar...?"


Wondering if other ancient members remember my old avatar (my orange cat passed out next to a can of Bud Light)...

Can't say it any better. Concur with you as well.

castaline said:   Rest in Peace
The End

The OP has shown enviable dedication to the completeness of thread. I hope we can all let it go and give him some rest. Now that the outcome has been finalized, I hope we can let this thread stand as it is, without it going off on tangents of unrelated discussion. Like life and death, morality ect. and let 77Rus put the final words to the tale.

If we still do thread of the year around here, I'd like to nominate this one.

what an amazing course of events. best wishes to everyone who donated...its touching, inspiring.

Gosh, it's like the Calvin & Hobbes raccoon in real life.

http://calvy.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/best-of-calvin-and-hobbes/

I was surprised to get my $50 back from you but I found out the cat has passed away. Given that the cat might had cancer spread and other ailments, death was the best thing for her. I wouldn't let animal suffer. However, your effort is appreciated and is not lost.

How much is your out of pocket cost? You can keep the $50 if you want. Go buy something to make yourself comfortable.

Thanks,

I realize that this is a thread for Catwallet--but since many of you have mentioned wanting to see donations going to assist animals in a bad spot, I thought I'd post this story in case anyone wants to take their returned donations and use the funds to help out another animal who has been through a lot in the past few days.

Lucky

Back in the WLS glory days of Animal Stories with Ol' Uncle Lar' and Snotnosed Lil' Tommy, the story would have gone like this ... with a funereal music background ...

Lil Tommy: So is the cat going to be alright Uncle Lar'????

Uncle Lar': Well, no, Little Tommy, the cat's best days are behind it and it's not going to be getting any better.

(Let it be known that "death of animal" stories were treated respectfully and never got requests for photos. Whereas "intermingling of the species" stories ALWAYS had photos ... and Ol' Uncle Lar's attempt to politely, verbally describe the animals and act for the benefit of Tommy and the listeners.)

I'm so sad, this was supposed to be a happily ever after ending. But it was happy anyway, it really was. It's like a classic novel with a terribly unsatisfying ending, that was still the best life-changing story you ever read. Aesop's Fable #1008: Fat & Catwallet.

God bless the little people who make a big difference.

I received my $10 back from the OP and he was kind enough to return the money after Catwallet's unfortunate death. I promised the OP, Catwallet and the rest of the FWF that I'll donate the money. If you would like to make a donation in memory of Catwallet, you can do so at the Humane Society online.

http://www.humanesociety.org/

No disrespect meant, but I don't think it's appropriate to list specific charities.


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I have posted an update on the first page about $50 I had left after all. After much thinking I've decided to adopt the ugliest cat that PETsMART and local animal shelters had for adoption. So, we have Lacey since yesterday. Thank you all again
P.S. And no, she is not ugly

Wish I'd seen this thread when all this was going on. Kudos to the OP for the effort and dedication to do this. I honestly believe the true measure of our character is how we treat those we think the least of. To do all this for a stray cat shows a true heart of gold.

MsWho2 said:   And I have to point out one thing--and I offer this up from the perspective of a person who has had animal companions her entire life: I look at animals as they are--creatures that have been domesticated to the point where they have become dependent; and as such it is my responsibility to provide care to creatures I take in--even to provide care to those coming to me for help. That may not be a perspective shared by everyone--but it seems to be one shared by many who joined in with the OP to help.
I have a more pragmatic viewpoint on this, one which I believe is relevant even to those who don't think highly of pets. I've owned three dogs who have since passed. They were my companions in life from when I started grade school until my mid-30s. After my third dog died, a friend saw the grief I was going through and mentioned that this was why he could never own a pet.

There's an implicit assumption in what my friend said, and what MsWho2 wrote - that we are the giver and the pet is receiver of our magnanimity. But as any pet owner can tell you, that is far from the truth. We receive as much as we give, if not more so. And I don't mean just in touchy-feely ways like love and affection. Owning and taking care of my dogs has taught me so much about life, sharing, planning ahead, how my actions and decisions can affect others, responsibility, generosity, sacrifice, priorities, how to decide trade-offs between inherently incomparable things like the material and the intangible, and ultimately about death.

Most of these are lessons we eventually learn even without pets, but a pet's shorter lifetime and closeness to our lives starting from a younger age accelerates the learning process IMHO. The day my first dog died when I was a teen, I grew up far more than others my age. Abstract concepts of life and death which I was hearing on the news and reading in history books up til then, suddenly crystallized with a new, deeper, real meaning. An insight shared only by the small fraction of my friends who had also lost a pet or a close loved one at that early age.

So while the grief my friend saw in me was heart-wrenching, it was totally worth it for the years of companionship and the education and new-found perspective about life I gained. I became a better man for it, and it was an experience I would highly encourage all parents give their children as they are growing up. As OP discovered, even in death a pet can teach us a lot about ourselves, the world, and those who inhabit it with us. As well as of the ephemeral fleeting nature of life, and the importance of friends, family, and loved ones over material possessions.

FWF teaches us how to scrimp and save as much money as we can. But topics like this one remind us that the money is not an end in itself, but rather a means to an end. The true goal is being able to spend more quality time and do more things with our loved ones in the time we have on Earth.

Congrats on adopting Lacey, she's gorgeous! I'm sure Lacey will have an amazing home and good luck to you and family.

PS fair warning, it's hard to stop at 1. Case in point, I had one. He passed away sometime ago. Next I got siblings, a brother and a sister.

Thank you OP that really touched my heart...I too have adopted a stray cat when it unexpectedly showed up in my yard. What a beautiful example to give your child.



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