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twistedsciene said:   If it is a scam, how are the offering somethhing for free? I would appreciate if you did your homework before you commented on this forum. I dont see you referring to Group or Living Social as a scam. I certainly would not want to be your friend asking for your opinion.

I would take the advice of any of the regular forum users in this thread any day. If even one of them tells me this is a scam, then that is what this is. No amount of new members coming here shilling will change the opinion of the members of this forum.

It's amazing how a FWF thread attracts the cockroach shills like clockwork. I'm surprised it took several weeks for the Invado scam cockroaches to come out. We must be slipping!

Invado scam.

MAN.. i thought this was about those AWESOME INVICTA watches i was thinking about buying.. Found a few sites online that will sell them to me for like 95% off MSRP!! CAN YOU IMAGINE THE KILLING I'LL MAKE!!! $3,000 watches for <$300 bux.. SOOO RICH!!

Who wants in?

BEEFjerKAY said:   Quikboy4 said:   I can't wait for the band of shills to arrive!

Took 4 weeks. Jeez this place is slipping when it can't even attract a decent number of shills/trolls.

They were at the golf outing, don't ya know!

Anyone remember Mona Vie?? I am fairly certain Mona Vie was the brainchild of the author of that Poor dad book... I am fairly sure I also heard about this utility sales thing maybe two years ago or so in California somewhere. Amazing these people that have nothing better to do than create these MLM scams. I think Amway is based out of Fresno as well... edited to remove info that might come back to haunt me someday...

it is a bit pre-mature to judge if this is a scam. however, it works the same way like ACN, but with different new concept of product. the utility service is similar but they claim there is no contract (at least some safe guard there, but please read the fine prints before signing the forms). the main 'product' is the Groupon way of business. it is the trend and it seems to be working. some friends and i are buying those vouchers and enjoyed all of them. my consideration is if they will pay you the commission as they promise. i google and read many (too many) about ACN not paying their agents. apparently the founders of this company are ex-ACN. they claim they don't like ACN's way so they came out to do this in a away to make it a real business. they just started in canada. find out how they did in the USA then judge if they are real. the concept sounds. the trend is there. product is right. it is the management and the company's integrity we should look into. barking and bad mouth it is not fair. it may ruin someone's real opportunity to get into a good career. twistedscien is right about what he says. look and research before barking. saying something pertaining to be expert is a fool's behavior. i almost joined ACN and i am being invited to join this one. i like the concept but i need to see if management is doing what they say they will do. agreement may not be followed. what can u do about it? sue them? good luck. take sometime to do your research. however, i don't like the idea of the fee. the fee is used to pay the uplines and give incentive to recruit. i am very skeptical about this fee idea. anyway, be your own judge. don't just jump in or listen to god barks. dogs are dogs. they only follow traditional ways of doing things without knowing the world has changed so much, changed to beyond old timers imagination. (some of them may be young but i feel sorry for them that they minds are so close that they don't even know what is going on around them.

my point is - don't be subjective. i will go to their meeting and find out. i agree with most people that MLM is mostly bad in a way many innocent incapable people are recruited. then it turns out to be a 'scam' as those people say. there are also bad people out there who get people in even knowing it's bad. but there are still some (rarely but there are a limited number of ) good one's - say Amway is good but it takes a good business person to make it successful. BTW, my apology for some typo errors in my last post.

WhiteGuy said:   Invado International is a MLM deal similar to Avon.

99% of the people will spend about $500 in signup fees, materials etc and make maybe $20-$25.

1% of the people will spend abut $500 in signup fees, material etc and make maybe $100,000. These people are shown as examples to say "look...you could be this person".

Odds are better to spend the $500 on lotto tickets.


Thanks for the heads up guys, and THANK YOU google!

I was on my way to the meeting this morning but Im
certainly not giving anyone 499 dollars, especially
the state lotto which is a rip off as well. Your chances
are ten times better at the casino than they are
at winning anything by playing the lotto

The worse scammers are those who prey on people who
are looking for jobs. They obviously have no income
and need the money more than anyone else. They approached
me via craigs list as a job offer

If you think the $500 is going to automatically turn into thousands, you might as well believe it's a scam. You're not buying a money tree. The $500 starts you own business. If you treat this like starting your own business, you will make good money in a few months just like any other business. The difference is most franchises cost $30,000 - $100,000 to get started. This costs $500. You don't put $30,000 down to start a business if you're not serious about putting the work in. You shouldn't do that with this either. Either be all in, or all out. That's my advice to you as someone who's been in Invado for about a month.

BTW: Don't listen to people who just cry "SCAM" unless they actually have some credibility. It's amazing how everyone on the outside thinks they're the experts on something they know nothing about. I've been in this thing for only a month, and I've already heard it all... People who are losers don't want others to be successful. It takes a successful person to actually know what the real deal is. They teach multi-level marketing at Harvard for a reason. It has made more millionaires in the last decade than any other industry. Google the facts; not the opinions of ignorant people. If you have questions about Invado, you can email me (natkra90@gmail.com). I'd be happy to answer them. My mentor works directly with the owners of the company, so unlike others on here, I actually know how this works.

Just to give you one example, I have a contact who oversees a bunch of hotels. If I can save him money on his energy bills, I'll be seeing at least $2,000 a month more on my paycheck. That's without recruiting anybody. Recruiting people just multiplies that kind of income. One of my friends landed one deal that's making him $50,000 a year. Again, this is without recruiting one person. The difference between Invado and many other MLMs is that Invado's products actually sell. You can make money whether you recruit or not. We even offer a $100 plan for people who don't want to recruit, but it's silly not to recruit because you can multiply your income and help all your friends who get in. I don't even recommend the $100 plan but they have it for skeptics who don't think the products sell, but are willing to try.

I think it is hilarious that they are using living social and Groupon as their examples for how this isn't a scam.

I love how invariably all the shills say we need to do our homework.

you have to pay an entry fee of $499 in order to be able to get the highest potential reward. the fee is used to pay your uplines (most of it anyway). to do the daily referral business just go to Referdia directly and do it yourself. why go through Invado, pay them a commission for the work you do (after paying a fee to join)? they use Referdia to bring in the modern concept of marketing. in my opinion it's misrepresentation. they can be tricky when doing their presentation. but the mass effect will make the audience convincing one another and believe it is the deal of the century. "go in now. timing is everything" BS. A hype, scamy type of business model. the utility side of the business does not make sense. it is just like other ones in the past, paint rosy pictures and hurt you with the rose's thorn.

i have been in business for many years with failure and success. i have also been in MLM before, and almost got into something very similar to this. whoever knows me also knows my knowledge and experiences, and most of all my integrity. i have no time to make them look bad, but i just tried to save people from being sucked into a deal to feed the founders and the uplines. i bet most of the uplines don't even know what they are doing and get their friends in (then later regret). please google a company called ACN and see if it sheds some light to you. for those who signed up for less than 10 days(?) the grace period, go ASAP asking for a refund and get out, if you change your mind. they have to pay you back. be wise. you have to work obviously, but on your downlines to pay you with part of their fees.
see also this about the utility deals - http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2010/06/20/ener...

natkra90 said:   If you think the $500 is going to automatically turn into thousands, you might as well believe it's a scam. You're not buying a money tree. The $500 starts you own business. If you treat this like starting your own business, you will make good money in a few months just like any other business

That's my advice to you as someone who's been in Invado for about a month.

Come back in a "few months" when you have NOT made "good money" and finally realize that all MLMs use the upfront fee to pay their uplines paychecks

You have a lot to learn since right now you are simply a parrot repeating all the sales lines they fed to you

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   Come back in a "few months" when you have NOT made "good money" and finally realize that all MLMs use the upfront fee to pay their uplines paychecks

You have a lot to learn since right now you are simply a parrot repeating all the sales lines they fed to you


Actually, I'm speaking from my own experience. I'm not parroting anyone. I've owned and operated three businesses. 90% of all businesses fail for the same reason most who get into MLM fail. I've already gotten most of my money back in the first month, and things are looking very good. You are correct to say that it's too soon to say I've been successful, but some of the people I spend hours of my time with are successful and making good money. It all hinges on your attitude towards this business. There are some who think it's free money, and there are others who think it's a scam. Neither one of those people will make a dime. Only the people who treat this like you should treat a real business actually do good. If I was just telling you what sounds good, I wouldn't be saying that. Unfortunately, most people who sign up don't actually do anything, so that's why they give you a seven day grace period so you can get your money back.

Your upline doesn't make anything until you actually start getting paid. When you put in $500 it's so they can train you to get started. If they charged $1, then I'd be wasting my time with a bunch of people who weren't serious, and then I'd get like $0.20 when they changed their mind. The training that I've had just in the first week is worth a lot more than $500, and my upline should get that money because they should get paid for their time. But they don't see a dime of it until I'm actually making money.

MLM works. At least that's what Donald Trump and Warren Buffet thinks, but what do they know right? lol Get real. You probably paid thousands of dollars to get trained at college so you could be stuck working 9-5 to survive, and you say this is a scam? I will be back in a few months, and I can't wait to share what happens.

natkra90 said:   MLM works. At least that's what Donald Trump and Warren Buffet thinks, but what do they know right? lol Get real.

Donald Trump gets paid by MLMs to shill their useless services. So I guess technically you are right: "MLM works" (for Donald Trump).

The way people make money in these multi-level marketing scams (or any other "get rich quick" scam) is by convincing rubes they have a get-rich-quick scam and selling it to them for $499 a pop.

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   natkra90 said:   If you think the $500 is going to automatically turn into thousands, you might as well believe it's a scam. You're not buying a money tree. The $500 starts you own business. If you treat this like starting your own business, you will make good money in a few months just like any other business

That's my advice to you as someone who's been in Invado for about a month.

Come back in a "few months" when you have NOT made "good money" and finally realize that all MLMs use the upfront fee to pay their uplines paychecks

You have a lot to learn since right now you are simply a parrot repeating all the sales lines they fed to you
Check challenge!

What I find amusing about these shills is how they're all alike: stupid.

And I don't mean stupid for falling for the MLM. I don't believe, for a second, that they did--I think they're the people behind the MLM themselves, furious that FatWallet's the #2 hit on Google, decrying their scheme as a, well, scam.

What's fascinating to me is how they all come flying in here, already defensive, spewing bile and venom at everyone on the boards, as if that's going to be convincing. Almost universally, they screech about "not doing your HOMEWORK!" (what is it with them and the selective all-caps thing, anyway?), as if that line's ever worked for anyone (I teach--it doesn't).

Then there's the wall-o-text. I wonder if they have that copyrighted or trademarked, because they use it so often. Paragraph breaks are your friends, people. So are transitions.

Next, there are the buzzwords, jargon, and gobbletygook. Shills' posts are full of weird terminology, sometimes ripped from the business sector ("uplines"), sometimes just made up on the spot.

Of course, what would a shill be without the internally-contradictory testimonials? "My friend will be making $50,000 a year off one deal", followed by "I've already gotten most of my money back in the first month".

Then there's the exhortation not to listen to doubters (designed to separate the rube from his or her reasonable friends who are telling him or her this is a scam).

Lastly, there's the sheer grammatical incoherence. Slogging through their posts is like grading my students' essays. There's a whole lot of verbiage, but none of it actually says anything substantive. Shills seem to think "longer" equals "more convincing".

[Edited for a grammar issue so minor, I'm probably the only one who noticed it. Muphry's Law in effect.]

swandown said:   Donald Trump gets paid by MLMs to shill their useless services. So I guess technically you are right: "MLM works" (for Donald Trump).

So now you're trying to tear down Donald Trump's credibility because he's making money from it? You do realize he has his own MLM company right? No one's bribing him to do this. In fact, he was openly shopped for a MLM company for years. He obviously believes it's a good investment.

natkra90 said:   

You probably paid thousands of dollars to get trained at college so you could be stuck working 9-5 to survive, and you say this is a scam? I will be back in a few months, and I can't wait to share what happens.

Wrong assumption. I actually received a full tuition scholarship from Law school and work for myself . I'm definitely not stuck working a 9-5, and in fact I returned from Paris yesterday

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/c474c402.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/e08e3ddd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/ff3ffa79.jpg


Read some of the threads I've created in this forum, you'll see I own more than dozen properties , so even if I don't work
A day this month I'll get $15,000+ rent Checks In The Mail. I also taught people how to make thousands of dollars from credit. At no cost whatsoever.

This is not the first mlm to be discussed at this forum, nor the last. We have seen them all, and You are being scammed.

RWAnderson72 said:   What I find amusing about these shills is how they're all alike: stupid.

And I don't mean stupid for falling for the MLM. I don't believe, for a second, that they did--I think they're the people behind the MLM themselves, furious that FatWallet's the #2 hit on Google, decrying their scheme as a, well, scam.

What's fascinating to me is how they all come flying in here, already defensive, spewing bile and venom at everyone on the boards, as if that's going to be convincing. Almost universally, they screech about "not doing your HOMEWORK!" (what is it with them and the selective all-caps thing, anyway?), as if that line's ever worked for anyone (I teach--it doesn't).

Then there's the wall-o-text. I wonder if they have that copyrighted or trademarked, because they use it so often. Paragraph breaks are your friends, people. So are transitions.

Next, there are the buzzwords, jargon, and gobbletygook. Shill's posts are full of weird terminology, sometimes ripped from the business sector ("uplines"), sometimes just made up on the spot.

Of course, what would a shill be without the internally-contradictory testimonials? "My friend will be making $50,000 a year off one deal", followed by "I've already gotten most of my money back in the first month".

Then there's the exhortation not to listen to doubters (designed to separate the rube from his or her reasonable friends who are telling him or her this is a scam).

Lastly, there's the sheer grammatical incoherence. Slogging through their posts is like grading my students' essays. There's a whole lot of verbiage, but none of it actually says anything substantive. Shills seem to think "longer" equals "more convincing".


There's no contradiction. I am not my friend, and my friend is not me. Your English may be good, but your logic is not. My friend who's making $50,000 a year on one transaction has been in the business for about a year. I've only been in it for a month. He probably didn't make $500 his first month either. Most people who are making good money now actually had a worse start than me. Most people who start their own business don't get their investment back right away either. It takes a long-term commitment to generate residual income. This is not a get-rich-quick scheme.

Fancy words and your remarks on grammar don't make you smarter about money either. It just makes you sound stuck up. A good definition of stupidity is being willingly ignorant aka not doing your homework. So, maybe you should do more than just point out that we all say do your homework, and actually do your homework. Proper English doesn't necessarily make millionaires. English and money are two different languages. You can be smart about English and stupid about MLM. I bet you had to do your homework to learn English too.

The term "upline" is a common term in MLM. Just like n00b would be a common term for you if we spoke computer language. lol Again, you don't know that because you obviously haven't researched.

I do my best to present the truth. I'm sorry if you think there's too much verbiage, but there's a lot to express since MLM is foreign to most people.

natkra90 said:   RWAnderson72 said:   What I find amusing about these shills is how they're all alike: stupid.

And I don't mean stupid for falling for the MLM. I don't believe, for a second, that they did--I think they're the people behind the MLM themselves, furious that FatWallet's the #2 hit on Google, decrying their scheme as a, well, scam.

What's fascinating to me is how they all come flying in here, already defensive, spewing bile and venom at everyone on the boards, as if that's going to be convincing. Almost universally, they screech about "not doing your HOMEWORK!" (what is it with them and the selective all-caps thing, anyway?), as if that line's ever worked for anyone (I teach--it doesn't).

Then there's the wall-o-text. I wonder if they have that copyrighted or trademarked, because they use it so often. Paragraph breaks are your friends, people. So are transitions.

Next, there are the buzzwords, jargon, and gobbletygook. Shill's posts are full of weird terminology, sometimes ripped from the business sector ("uplines"), sometimes just made up on the spot.

Of course, what would a shill be without the internally-contradictory testimonials? "My friend will be making $50,000 a year off one deal", followed by "I've already gotten most of my money back in the first month".

Then there's the exhortation not to listen to doubters (designed to separate the rube from his or her reasonable friends who are telling him or her this is a scam).

Lastly, there's the sheer grammatical incoherence. Slogging through their posts is like grading my students' essays. There's a whole lot of verbiage, but none of it actually says anything substantive. Shills seem to think "longer" equals "more convincing".


There's no contradiction. I am not my friend, and my friend is not me. Your English may be good, but your logic is not. My friend who's making $50,000 a year on one transaction has been in the business for about a year. I've only been in it for a month. He probably didn't make $500 his first month either. Most people who are making good money now actually had a worse start than me. Most people who start there own business don't get their investment back right away either. It takes a long-term commitment to generate residual income. This is not a get-rich-quick scheme.

Fancy words and your remarks on grammar don't make you smarter about money either. It just makes sound stuck up. A good definition of stupidity is being willingly ignorant aka not doing your homework. So, maybe you should do more than just point out that we all say do your homework, and actually do your homework. Proper English doesn't necessarily make millionaires. English and money are two different languages. You can be smart about English and stupid about MLM. I bet you had to do your homework to learn English too.

The term "upline" is a common term in MLM. Just like n00b would be a common term for you if we spoke computer language. lol Again, you don't know that because you obviously haven't researched.

I do my best to present the truth. I'm sorry if you think there's too much verbiage, but there's a lot to express since MLM is foreign to most people.
Q.E.D.

Keep talking, my friend.

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   natkra90 said:   

You probably paid thousands of dollars to get trained at college so you could be stuck working 9-5 to survive, and you say this is a scam? I will be back in a few months, and I can't wait to share what happens.

Wrong assumption. I actually received a full tuition scholarship from Law school and work for myself . I'm definitely not stuck working a 9-5, and in fact I returned from Paris yesterday

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/c474c402.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/e08e3ddd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/ff3ffa79.jpg


Read some of the threads I've created in this forum, you'll see I own more than dozen properties , so even if I don't work
A day this month I'll get $15,000+ rent Checks In The Mail. I also taught people how to make thousands of dollars from credit. At no cost whatsoever.

This is not the first mlm to be discussed at this forum, nor the last. We have seen them all, and You are being scammed.


That's good to hear. Glad you're having success. I have a friend who does the same kind of thing and makes $5,000 a week so it definitely works. That's not to say MLM doesn't work though. Your success in one area doesn't make you an expert in all other areas.

There is more than one vehicle to financial freedom. You definitely have not really "seen them all" because as I said before, it is documented that MLM has created the most millionaires in the last decade. That means more than real estate too. Discussing MLM companies is not understanding MLM companies. Most "discussions" amount to ignorant accusations.

I have been introduced to many MLM opportunities, but I never saw a product that actually appealed to me as a former business owner. I would have killed to have a tool like Referdia to market my business. It does copy the Groupon idea to an extent; however, there are many more tools, and it doesn't make you lose tons of money to get customers. HUGE difference. That's not even mentioning the energy that we offer and the new travel club.

ACN once had killer products like Invado does now. That's when it boomed and people could get in and make tons of money. They were offering cellular services 30% cheaper than anyone else, but when they lost that, they had to resort to other things. That's when a lot of people came out of ACN to join 5linx and then Invado. Those people don't call ACN a scam because they were making good money. There are other good MLM companies too such as LegalShield. People are making good money there too because it's a good product. As long as you offer a desired product, there is money to be made. You have found your niche, so that's good, but that doesn't mean no one else can make money doing something else. It's ridiculous to say that.

If it was a scam, why are there so many changed lives? Why are there so many people who are financially free. I went to Invado's international event, and talked to a lot of people face-to-face making 5 or 6 figures a month whether they work or not. How do you explain that? I'm sure you can explain anything away... but I'm still interested to see your response.

I realize Agape World was a ponzi and this is a simple MLM scam, but whats funny is you can almost copy and paste the exact same generic shill replies from the Agape thread here and vice versa ("do your homework", shills pretending to be curious customers just "scoping out the product," "financial freedom," etc.) Its as if there is a universal scam language, no matter what the particulars are.

natkra90 said:   If it was a scam, why are there so many changed lives? Why are there so many people who are financially free.

It is easy to throw out things like "so many" but the devil is in the details... how many is "so many" that you speak of? What percentage of people in an MLM scam make profit, verses the general population? And how do they do it?

One could also say that "many people" have changed their lives and made significant sums of money by other unethical means, say like, selling drugs. But how many, how, and in the end, was it worth it or the right thing to do?

The truth is MLMs exist to steal money from many people into the hands of a few, and the huge percentage of people (99.99%+) end up losing money. The "good" MLM scams only take so little that they don't get sued or get on the wrong side of the law. All MLMs count on recruiting new, naive members to make the first few in the scam wealthy.

So yea... people sure have changed their lives with MLM scams, but almost always for the worse, and that is why this board and anyone with intelligence will not recommend to anyone to join an MLM. Invado International is an MLM scam, and no one should join.

You know, A LOT of people got rich by becoming local warlords in Sudan too. Most of them ended up dead though. Invado may not kill you, but it will take $500 and massive amounts of time from you.

I realize Agape World was a ponzi and this is a simple MLM scam, but whats funny is you can almost copy and paste the exact same generic shill replies from the Agape thread here and vice versa ("do your homework", shills pretending to be curious customers just "scoping out the product," "financial freedom," etc.) Its as if there is a universal scam language, no matter what the particulars are.Yup, that's pretty much what I was saying, too. These guys are plug-and-play. It's like MadLibs: Scam Shill Edition. (Ooooo, hey, maybe that's marketable! For $499, I'll get you in on the ground floor!)

gludlow said:   natkra90 said:   If it was a scam, why are there so many changed lives? Why are there so many people who are financially free.

It is easy to throw out things like "so many" but the devil is in the details... how many is "so many" that you speak of? What percentage of people in an MLM scam make profit, verses the general population? And how do they do it?

One could also say that "many people" have changed their lives and made significant sums of money by other unethical means, say like, selling drugs. But how many, how, and in the end, was it worth it or the right thing to do?

The truth is MLMs exist to steal money from many people into the hands of a few, and the huge percentage of people (99.99%+) end up losing money. The "good" MLM scams only take so little that they don't get sued or get on the wrong side of the law. All MLMs count on recruiting new, naive members to make the first few in the scam wealthy.

So yea... people sure have changed their lives with MLM scams, but almost always for the worse, and that is why this board and anyone with intelligence will not recommend to anyone to join an MLM. Invado International is an MLM scam, and no one should join.


These aren't official numbers, but from what I've been able to figure out, about 20% of the people who joined Invado have made a profit. This is mostly because they put in their $500 and then don't even go out to make sales. Because of this problem, we have been told by the company to act as a filter so people don't get in who won't be successful. I've already signed up seven businesses to Referdia in about six hours of work. That's more than one per hour. I just started going out to businesses that qualify for gas yesterday and I already have three businesses who are showing interest. One of my contacts overrides 150 hotels.

The overall goal is to make as many sales as possible. That's where the real money comes from. Out of the $500, $100 is supposed to go back in your pocket and $390 to your upline for training. The company actually only gets $10 of the $500. Believe me. They make a lot more on the actual products. The math just doesn't add up if it's all about recruiting. With other companies it might, but not with Invado.

You cannot get paid just by recruiting. You have to get at least 8 points which means sales or you won't be qualified to receive any money for training, and with that you're limited with how much you can get until you get more points. To get to higher positions, you have to have a certain amount of team points too which means your team has to be producing, and not just recruiting. It would be too lopsided if the whole system revolved around recruiting. It takes a very long time to train someone, and the compensation you get isn't as much as you would get working a regular job until sales are actually made. Why would they make it that way if it was just about recruiting? I had all the same suspicions because there are many scams out there, but the company wouldn't make hardly any money on this setup if the product wasn't being sold. No one would.

Should FW charge these guys a commission for posting Ads?

Riddle me this, natkra90: If you're not a shill for this scam, why haven't you posted in any other thread on the board? Like the shills for every other scam, you've only posted in the thread that calls your scam a scam. That tells me a) you're a shill and b) it's a scam.

natkra90 said:   



I have been introduced to many MLM opportunities, but I never saw a product that actually appealed to me as a former business owner. I would have killed to have a tool like Referdia to market my business. It does copy the Groupon idea to an extent; however, there are many more tools, and it doesn't make you lose tons of money to get customers. HUGE difference. That's not even mentioning the energy that we offer and the new travel club.

ACN once had killer products like Invado does now. That's when it boomed and people could get in and make tons of money. They were offering cellular services 30% cheaper than anyone else, but when they lost that, they had to resort to other things. That's when a lot of people came out of ACN to join 5linx and then Invado. Those people don't call ACN a scam because they were making good money. There are other good MLM companies too such as LegalShield.

but I'm still interested to see your response.

It seems you are quite experienced with the various mlm out there....so why haven't you learned that unless you're at the 0.01% who are at the top of the pyramid , you'll most likely end up like the 99.9% who Lose money, or make a pittance and move on?

It is virtually impossible to rise to the top of mlm pyramid scheme...you said you have an upline and mentor so that means you are nowhere near the top

No one in your tier ever makes it to the top, but like I said just come back in a few months and let us know how you're doing. Some people actually are honest and admit their failure, most simply never return.

natkra90 said:   BTW: Don't listen to people who just cry "SCAM"

.. People who are losers don't want others to be successful.

. Google the facts; not the opinions of ignorant people.

You can make money whether you recruit or not.

it's silly not to recruit because you can multiply your income and help all your friends

who .

I just wanted to highlight these lines, as they are emblematic of every pyramid scheme shill and the script they have been taught to parrot over and over.

The "do your homework", "Donald trump" etc are used by every mlm shill

Real businesses do not require recruiting or selling to friends and family ...only scams.

RWAnderson72 said:   Riddle me this, natkra90: If you're not a shill for this scam, why haven't you posted in any other thread on the board? Like the shills for every other scam, you've only posted in the thread that calls your scam a scam. That tells me a) you're a shill and b) it's a scam.

I googled "invado scam" and this was one of the first results. I just wanted to see if there was misinformation going around about the company, and so I figured I'd at least get the truth out there among all the nonsense. I'm speaking my mind because I care about my company. I've only known the people in Invado for a few weeks, yet they have given me so much support not just with the business, but just with life. What you guys can't understand, and I don't expect you to understand is that Invado is a very close-knit family. I got into the company simply because of the system that I saw. I knew no one when I joined, but I already feel like I've known these guys my whole life. If that makes me a shill, I'm a shill. It certainly doesn't make this a scam though. I know scams when I see them, and I think I've given a fairly thorough explanation on why it isn't a scam already.

The great thing about this forum is that it is one of the worst places on the internet to threaten to sue posters for defamation... certain posters especially.

RWAnderson72 said:   What I find amusing about these shills is how they're all alike: stupid.This is one of the few ways you can make some real money if you are dumb: by convincing your dumber friends and relatives to get into these MLM scams and bilking them for as much money as possible before they realize that the videos of idiots on jets are not indicative of their future likelihood of success with the company.

natkra90 said:   RWAnderson72 said:   Riddle me this, natkra90: If you're not a shill for this scam, why haven't you posted in any other thread on the board? Like the shills for every other scam, you've only posted in the thread that calls your scam a scam. That tells me a) you're a shill and b) it's a scam.

I googled "invado scam" and this was one of the first results. I just wanted to see if there was misinformation going around about the company, and so I figured I'd at least get the truth out there among all the nonsense. I'm speaking my mind because I care about my company. I've only known the people in Invado for a few weeks, yet they have given me so much support not just with the business, but just with life. What you guys can't understand, and I don't expect you to understand is that Invado is a very close-knit family. I got into the company simply because of the system that I saw. I knew no one when I joined, but I already feel like I've known these guys my whole life. If that makes me a shill, I'm a shill. It certainly doesn't make this a scam though. I know scams when I see them, and I think I've given a fairly thorough explanation on why it isn't a scam already.
Uh-huh.

SiS, you're assuming that anything naktra90 says about her/his background and/or involvement with this scam is true. Why would someone on the bottom tier be Googling "invado scam" in the first place?

No, it's far more likely that naktra90 is an insider, one of the 0.01% who will profit off of the scam by convincing rubes that it's not a scam. The insiders have a motive for Googling "invado scam": then they sign up to the message boards where their company is being revealed as a scam and sew confusion. It's damage control. Only insiders are going to want to Google "invado scam" to see what potential rubes find, and then they're going to try to head off claims that their company is a scam by posting things much like what natkra90 is posting here.

natkra90, do you know the last time I Googled "University of California Writing Program scam"?

Oh, yeah. NEVER. Res ipsa loquitur.

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   It seems you are quite experienced with the various mlm out there....so why haven't you learned that unless you're at the 0.01% who are at the top of the pyramid , you'll most likely end up like the 99.9% who Lose money, or make a pittance and move on?

It is virtually impossible to rise to the top of mlm pyramid scheme...you said you have an upline and mentor so that means you are nowhere near the top

No one in your tier ever makes it to the top, but like I said just come back in a few months and let us know how you're doing. Some people actually are honest and admit their failure, most simply never return.


Actually, the man that is one of my two mentors made it to the top of ACN. When he got started, he was from the Philippines, and barely knew how to speak English. He was so successful, they featured him with Donald Trump, but when the owners of Invado told him that he would have personal access to them, he started over to have this opportunity. Both times he started in a tier lower than I am now. He is someone who I talk to on a daily basis so I'm using him as an example, but there are many more. If a guy with all those limitations, can do this twice, how is it virtually impossible? If you're looking for failure stories, they're all around you, but the few who work and are persistent do achieve financial freedom. Most people don't even work let alone be persistent. There's your 95% right there.

Also, it's not a pyramid scheme any more than your average company. In any company, there are positions and ways you can move up the ladder. The difference is this is directly based on your production. Technically, it is not a pyramid scheme though because a pyramid scheme pays out for recruiting. This doesn't pay out until your recruits are actually making money.

natkra90, keep talking.

The more you post, especially with the word "scam" in your posts (and, darling, you're fixated on that word), the higher this thread goes on Google's search. The next time someone Google's "invado scam", the more likely they are to find this thread. And, let's be honest with one another--you're not going to stick around here in perpetuity. If you're true to form, you'll be gone in a week or two, having only succeeded at spiking the thread on Google. Want proof? Google "Agape World Inc scam". See the first two results?

So, please, keep talking.



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