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pthor1231 said:   DoctorDeals said:   LordB said:   Can you even change your username?

I'm wondering if some legal action took place to get the username changed...

If one's initial username can more or less uniquely identify someone, then the mods are pretty accommodating in allowing one to change it. I know, because back in the day, they did it for me (I was a bit nervous some of my crazier Hot Deals posts were going to get me blacklisted).


Your profile ID number is really the unique identifier in the backend, the display name that the mods can change is just for us. Interestingly enough the new display name for our most recent shill is "deleted_<profileID#>", so what SIS says about could have been a legal request makes a bit more sense.


I perhaps wasn't clear in what I meant by "uniquely identify." It had nothing to do with backend coding...I was referring simply to real life.

For example, some time ago, one of Hot Deals' frequent TCers openly admitted that he was cheating on his wife. Sure enough, a quick Google search revealed that his FW username was his username for everything else...including his Facebook profile with real name, home city, and wife's name. Smart.

Since it was quiet in this thread, I decided to check out what Referdia was up to. There's some interesting things I noticed.

1. Their site definitely looks nicer than it did the last time I viewed it.
2. You cannot view (even sample) deals by area unless you create an account. They have 6 sample deals posted on the deals page, but 3 are in Canada, 2 in Ohio, and 1 in Arizona. I have no plans of spending time in any of those places, so I'm not really impressed.
3. They now sell a premium membership level for $8/mo (discounted for 6 and 12 mo subscription paid up front). Without any way to view what deals are available (and the difference between regular deals and premium membership deals) who would want to sign up?

Groupon and LivingSocial don't charge for access to their sites. What makes Referdia think they can, especially without providing any relevant sample deals?

deleted_2510619 said:   MilleniumBuc said:   mquirk said:   MilleniumBuc said:   What is the current relationship between Invado, Referdia and the Mintz clan? Who is in charge at both of those companies at this time?

I can't comment on the relationship between Mr. Mintz and Invado simply because I don't know. I can tell you that he left the company in May of 2012. At this time, we're led by CEO Mike Thompson, a prominent mid-western businessman; COO Chris Thompson; and President Shawn Inks. If you like, I'd be happy to include their official bios here.


You might want to ask him to stop claiming he is still a Current Vice President & Co-Founder at Invado International



http://www.linkedin.com/pub/judd-mintz/b/a92/162


We have bigger things to worry about than getting Judd to update his linkedin page. lol.


Yeah, like the fact that you're a liar. Judd is intimately involved. There's a video posted on youtube (the offical InvadoTV channel), with Judd Mintz leading a sales pitch for this potential MLM pyramid scam (err.. I mean, "business opportunity")

Video was posted on Feb 6, 2013 and titled "Invado Business Opportunity Presentation 1-29-13"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1fKQ3Rue5U

civ2k1 said:   Since it was quiet in this thread, I decided to check out what Referdia was up to. There's some interesting things I noticed.

1. Their site definitely looks nicer than it did the last time I viewed it.
2. You cannot view (even sample) deals by area unless you create an account. They have 6 sample deals posted on the deals page, but 3 are in Canada, 2 in Ohio, and 1 in Arizona. I have no plans of spending time in any of those places, so I'm not really impressed.
3. They now sell a premium membership level for $8/mo (discounted for 6 and 12 mo subscription paid up front). Without any way to view what deals are available (and the difference between regular deals and premium membership deals) who would want to sign up?

Groupon and LivingSocial don't charge for access to their sites. What makes Referdia think they can, especially without providing any relevant sample deals?


Probably just another way to skim $8 a month off the front line soldiers. I wouldn't be surprised if they are required to get the premium membership to be able to sell the product. No freebies with Invado/Referdia.

Bump

Anyone know if Michael Quirk was fired?
I would love to get more shills on this.

Invado is a scam
Referdia is a scam

I spent money on this only because of the Daily Referral portion of the scam. 9 months or so after they said it would be up and running they changed their name to Referdia. The coupon deals I had set up with my customers never materialized. Then, the business model was going to change again.

THIS IS AN MLM SCAM. Don't waste your money or energy.

Why do they call themselves an INC as in Invado International Inc when their business record for Ohio says they are an LLC. See Ohio Business Search Result See Document # 201109601058 in that record changing name to Invado, Mintz is the signer.

If an entity only has an LLC filing can it call itself an INC? Can you hold your entity out to have a different liability status than it in fact does based on its filings? Anyone know?

(Edit: fixed link since FW was converting part of pasted link into smile face code)

acroBios said:   Why do they call themselves an INC as in Invado International Inc when their business record for Ohio says they are an LLC. See Ohio Business Search Result See Document # 201109601058 in that record changing name to Invado, Mintz is the signer.

If an entity only has an LLC filing can it call itself an INC? Can you hold your entity out to have a different liability status than it in fact does based on its filings? Anyone know?

(Edit: fixed link since FW was converting part of pasted link into smile face code)


I am not an attorney, but frequently negotiate contracts on behalf of an LLC (which had converted from a corporation). My attorney made it clear that I am always supposed to refer to the entity as a company (not a corporation). I'm not sure if she's just being cautious/specific, or if there's really an issue.

civ2k1 said:   acroBios said:   Why do they call themselves an INC as in Invado International Inc when their business record for Ohio says they are an LLC. See Ohio Business Search Result See Document # 201109601058 in that record changing name to Invado, Mintz is the signer.

If an entity only has an LLC filing can it call itself an INC? Can you hold your entity out to have a different liability status than it in fact does based on its filings? Anyone know?

(Edit: fixed link since FW was converting part of pasted link into smile face code)


I am not an attorney, but frequently negotiate contracts on behalf of an LLC (which had converted from a corporation). My attorney made it clear that I am always supposed to refer to the entity as a company (not a corporation). I'm not sure if she's just being cautious/specific, or if there's really an issue.


Paging a Fatwallet Business Attorney......

Please please be careful. If you google Kevin Roser who is a director of this company you will find that he is a convicted felon. He is very dangerous and a sociopath. He has stolen money from many women and elderly people besides what he was caught for securities fraud and convicted for. He lied about being married to his wife Julie for 15 years and claim they have 4 children.... He was in prison then and proir to prison he was on a rampage of theift! He is very slick and abusive and has left so many screwed over.. Any companies or people associated with this creep I would stay very very far away!!!! I hope Julie his wife if that is true is safe.

mandygirlgirl said:   Please please be careful. If you google Kevin Roser who is a director of this company you will find that he is a convicted felon. He is very dangerous and a sociopath. He has stolen money from many women and elderly people besides what he was caught for securities fraud and convicted for. He lied about being married to his wife Julie for 15 years and claim they have 4 children.... He was in prison then and proir to prison he was on a rampage of theift! He is very slick and abusive and has left so many screwed over.. Any companies or people associated with this creep I would stay very very far away!!!! I hope Julie his wife if that is true is safe.

Thank you for this info. I now know to stay far far away from the INVADO scam.

Terrell Owens is apparently now affiliated with this scam group:

http://pinterest.com/pin/283937951477039000/

It looks like maybe Invado/Referdia has finally crashed and burned (or maybe Andre Maronian - formerly of the Invado scam - wants people to think that).

It looks like Maronian launched a new MLM called MyLife, and posted on Facebook about a failed negotiation to transition Invado/Referdia reps over to his new MyLife company.

Check this out:

https://www.facebook.com/MyLifeNetwork/posts/461255820615008

Andrew Maronian said:
Dear MyLife Network Family,

As MyLife Network announced our exciting prelaunch this month, we also engaged in good faith discussions with InVado International in regards to offering a home for the InVado representative base and something that would be beneficial for both companies. Both parties, jointly, wanted to work together to make a smooth transition but we knew we were working against the clock.

InVado International announced today that the deal was no longer a viable solution for either party and the loss of financing. Although we accept InVado Internationals decision to walk away from the deal, we are saddened that the deal did not have the time needed to finalize properly. It was never either parties intent to hurt the representative. We are still in communication for the potential of marketing energy and referdia and will keep you abreast of that progress as we can.

It is important for me to clear up any confusion that may have resulted from this announcement with respect to MyLife. MyLife, as a company, is properly financed and has a strong foundation for growth. As stated in previous communications, MyLife Network is in prelaunch with a May 2013 launch date. Based on our company name, mission, purpose, dedication to lives, commitment to philanthropy, broad product/service strategy, and compensation plan, we are already seeing unbelievable interest and involvement. A buzz is spreading across North America about MyLife Network and it confirms that our purpose to make YOUR SUCCESS our flagship product is what this industry so desperately needs.

I want to assure you that MyLIfe Network is progressing rapidly as our official launch will be here in no time. Stay tuned as we continue to give you sneak peaks on what your life will be with MyLife.

Sincerely,
Andre Maronian
President & CEO

While searching for any more Invado updates, I stumbled across the video I created/posted almost a year ago.

Thought I'd repost it here just for fun: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13367824/is-invado-international...

Andre here is a better idea ... Go with a company with 50 years of strength and proven record. If you are in it for the network capabilities go to Newtork 21.

civ2k1 said:   It looks like maybe Invado/Referdia has finally crashed and burned (or maybe Andre Maronian - formerly of the Invado scam - wants people to think that).

It looks like Maronian launched a new MLM called MyLife, and posted on Facebook about a failed negotiation to transition Invado/Referdia reps over to his new MyLife company.

Check this out:

https://www.facebook.com/MyLifeNetwork/posts/461255820615008

Andrew Maronian said:
Dear MyLife Network Family,

As MyLife Network announced our exciting prelaunch this month, ....
Sincerely,
Andre Maronian
President & CEO

There already is a company called MyLife. The wikipedia page for the company lists such awesome things as spoofing email, a BBB F rating, an Attorney General lawsuit against them, and class action lawsuits against them.

Sounds perfect for Maronian.

mandygirlgirl said:   Andre here is a better idea ... Go with a company with 50 years of strength and proven record. If you are in it for the network capabilities go to Newtork 21.

I love it!
The shills are back, and they can't even spell the name of their company correctly.

For the purposes of google,

Network 21 is a scam
Invado is a scam
Mylife is a scam

civ2k1 said:   It looks like maybe Invado/Referdia has finally crashed and burned (or maybe Andre Maronian - formerly of the Invado scam - wants people to think that).

It looks like Maronian launched a new MLM called MyLife, and posted on Facebook about a failed negotiation to transition Invado/Referdia reps over to his new MyLife company.

Check this out:

https://www.facebook.com/MyLifeNetwork/posts/461255820615008

Andrew Maronian said:
Dear MyLife Network Family,

As MyLife Network announced our exciting prelaunch this month, we also engaged in good faith discussions with InVado International in regards to offering a home for the InVado representative base and something that would be beneficial for both companies. Both parties, jointly, wanted to work together to make a smooth transition but we knew we were working against the clock.

InVado International announced today that the deal was no longer a viable solution for either party and the loss of financing. Although we accept InVado Internationals decision to walk away from the deal, we are saddened that the deal did not have the time needed to finalize properly. It was never either parties intent to hurt the representative. We are still in communication for the potential of marketing energy and referdia and will keep you abreast of that progress as we can.

It is important for me to clear up any confusion that may have resulted from this announcement with respect to MyLife. MyLife, as a company, is properly financed and has a strong foundation for growth. As stated in previous communications, MyLife Network is in prelaunch with a May 2013 launch date. Based on our company name, mission, purpose, dedication to lives, commitment to philanthropy, broad product/service strategy, and compensation plan, we are already seeing unbelievable interest and involvement. A buzz is spreading across North America about MyLife Network and it confirms that our purpose to make YOUR SUCCESS our flagship product is what this industry so desperately needs.

I want to assure you that MyLIfe Network is progressing rapidly as our official launch will be here in no time. Stay tuned as we continue to give you sneak peaks on what your life will be with MyLife.

Sincerely,
Andre Maronian
President & CEO


Wow, we can watch a new MLM "opportunity" grow from a seed. Out of all the BS on that Facebook page, I saw two mentions of a product. A home alarms system and some sort of Coffee Bean .

You can view Kevin Roser's extensive criminal history on the Summit County Clerk of Court's website at:http://www.cpclerk.co.summit.oh.us/welcome.asp

Go to the website and click on "Multijurisdictional"
Click on "Public Search"
Click on "Agree"
Enter the first and last name
Under "From Agencies" check all agencies
Under "From Case Types" click on "All Case Types"
Press the search button.
Viola

thenewfsc said:   
Their website is: http://www.invadoinc.com/
A sister website with a few videos at: http://www.invadokingdombuilders.com/

And a youtube video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBgFERhusCU&feature=youtu.be

Like I said I just want some second opinions about it. I hate to see a friend fall for a scam like this. Thank you.


All above links appear to be dead.

Did Invado finally crash?


JacksonX said:   thenewfsc said:   
Their website is: http://www.invadoinc.com/
A sister website with a few videos at: http://www.invadokingdombuilders.com/

And a youtube video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBgFERhusCU&feature=youtu.be

Like I said I just want some second opinions about it. I hate to see a friend fall for a scam like this. Thank you.


All above links appear to be dead.

Did Invado finally crash?


Ding dong invado is dead !!!

Where are all the fervent believers in this mlm scam now ?? Someone might want to pm some of them so they get alerts to come back and update how they got screwed

imbatman said:   http://www.businesslink.referdia.net/invado-energy

When you try to click on "sign up" it says the system is off-line.

So sad...

Right from one of the believers, posted March 31. Rest of the website is shut down.

http://www.invadokingdombuilders.com/invado-shuts-down-without-w...

Interestingly, referdia still "exists."

They have some sort of relationship now with the entertainment book people, such that their "deals" are essentially the entertainment coupons.

The difference being that you can buy an entertainment book for $10 or less on clearance, or even potentially sign up for a free online account, whereas for referdia you spend $8 per month, every month.

What a scam!

But they had an A- on the Better Business Bureau website.

How could it be!

http://www.bbb.org/cleveland/business-reviews/marketing-home-bas...

1 year from the original post. I honestly thought it would have taken less time.

Interesting cast of characters at mylife.net Mylife Founders

What do you guys think?

Did you know you can even signup now at Mylife.net Signup with Invado ID and enter your old Invado RepID. I bet you get a special bonus!

Here's a press release announcing the new Referdia. From what I can tell from Facebook, the person quoted appears to be in bed - literally - with some higher up at the company. Nice independent viewpoint there, eh? http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10661780.htm

boecknerdan said:   Here's a press release announcing the new Referdia. From what I can tell from Facebook, the person quoted appears to be in bed - literally - with some higher up at the company. Nice independent viewpoint there, eh? http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10661780.htm

Referdia press release said:
Referdia’s unique membership subscription plans give shoppers the ability to claim an unlimited number of retailer discount offers without the need to pay for them upfront.


It's so unique ... I believe the rest of the world call this a COUPON.

boecknerdan said:   Here's a press release announcing the new Referdia. From what I can tell from Facebook, the person quoted appears to be in bed - literally - with some higher up at the company. Nice independent viewpoint there, eh? http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10661780.htm

Yeah, you'd think the President of such a successful and brilliant company could offer his girlfriend something worth more than $100 in "smart dollars."

So Referdia is now "powered by Entertainment"

That essentially means that they have subcontracted out content from the people who make those Entertainment books you get for $5 midway through the year, or can periodically get a free online subscription to.

So, for $8 auto-renewing per month, you get SOME access to a service which normal people can get for $5/free on sale ($35 if you're clueless and pay retail)

I can't believe this is still going and hasn't crashed like it's parent group, Invado, has.

Oh, and I take it they fired Michael Quirk as they get their "editorial content" directly from Entertainment.
(Although it's still listed on the good professor's Linked-In )

Entertainment filed BK a while back. Entertainment Book goes bankrupt! Really? Yes! http://www.canadiandealsassociation.com/entertainment-book-goes-...

But our financial geniuses are at work! "Coupon book publisher Entertainment has emerged from bankruptcy with a newowner and chief executive: Lowell Potiker, son of the company’s late founders." http://www.freep.com/article/20130425/BUSINESS/304250147/Coupon-...

"Curiouser and curiouser" Said Alice.

Oh, and I take it they fired Michael Quirk as they get their "editorial content" directly from Entertainment.(Although it's still listed on the good professor's Linked-In )

Hello again! Michael Quirk here - to clear the air of assumptions and speculation, I wasn't fired from Referdia. I left for a better opportunity at the beginning of March. I'm currently the Products Editor for Dental Products Report and I love it. I'm not going to trash my former employers here, if only because I've moved on and could care less about Referdia or Invado at this point. I really don't think they deserve much of my head space. BUT - I would like to apologize for just disappearing. I can assure you it wasn't my choice. I've followed this thread since our initial conversation, and have seen some pretty nasty things said about me. Here's the truth: I'm generally a kind, ethical person who has experienced a few setbacks in my life. I've overcome those setbacks, and, like everybody else on this rock hurtling through space, I just want to build a better life for my family. When Referdia offered to pay me more than I was making doing the adjunct hustle, I jumped on the opportunity. Despite what you think about the company, it did provide me a stepping stone to get to where I am now. Nevertheless, while I don't regret it, I'd certainly never want to relive the experience. I never signed a non-disclosure agreement during my time there, and I'm not giving away any company secrets, so I figured it was ok to stop back here and check in. Take care.

I considered making a new thread for this, but figured it was better to just ask my question here:

Is Invade Internationally Inc, led by CEO Adolf Hitler, a scam?!?

DoctorDeals said:   I considered making a new thread for this, but figured it was better to just ask my question here:

Is Invade Internationally Inc, led by CEO Adolf Hitler, a scam?!?


I always enjoy a good Hitler rant. Cute.

BradisBrad said:   DoctorDeals said:   I considered making a new thread for this, but figured it was better to just ask my question here:

Is Invade Internationally Inc, led by CEO Adolf Hitler, a scam?!?


I always enjoy a good Hitler rant. Cute.

Thanks. While this was a project I started (then for a while abandoned) over a year ago, your Shill O Meter helped immensely in several areas. I had about 80-90% of the high points in place, but overall organization and some dialog was definitely a result of your work, so you deserve credit for that. civ2k1 also deserved credit for sparking the initial idea with the XtraNormal video.

Is anyone on here a former employee? As in, a non-shill? If so, let's hear what you have to say.

I truly think it is amazing the amount of positive impact this community can have when working together. I'd like to think that there were plenty of people who saw the google search links to here and were able to avoid losing money they otherwise would have been parted with/scammed out of.

On the opposite note, I think it somewhat humorous to think from the perspective of invado. Think about it. They came here to stir [shill] up interest, expecting to gain new members. Instead, their business collapsed. I'd like to think that FatWallet at least played some part in that.

Just wondering - as the MyLife "opportunity" is currently being pitched to us. It's being pitched as a "ground floor" opportunity in a company with a founder who has great MLM acumen and is a person of integrity and morality. Christian, even. My thoughts are that MLM is distasteful, but that comes from an earlier experience, many many year ago, with Amway. That being said, get-rich-quick is pretty enticing! So, if you can put your ethics on a shelf, IS IT POSSIBLE to make money on MyLife if you get in now???



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