Fatwallet and Dating

cr3s said:   
3) If you're a stud, the type that even other guys are jealous of, then you can take her girl anywhere and they'll be happy. Why? Because they're happy to just be with you.

Excellent point. If the girl likes you enough, you can take her to McDonald's and pay with coupons and she'll think, "What a charming quirk! He's unlike any man I've ever met!" Whereas if she's not into you and is just using you as filler until something better comes along, she'll find reasons to nitpick no matter where you take her.

cr3s said:   3) If you're a stud, the type that even other guys are jealous of, then you can take her girl anywhere and they'll be happy. Why? Because they're happy to just be with you. The trick, of course, is how to be a stud in her eyes...Please don't PM asking for tips. My book is coming out in about 6 months.

The issue is, this girl becomes disposable. She doesn't challenge you, and she's all about you because of your looks/success. It gets old fast and these are what I call "stable girls"...meaning, if you're bored on a weekend, which one are you going to pull out of the stable and ride.

The hard part is finding a smart/successful/attractive girl who is your equal I think. Otherwise...you will get bored.

I actively try to make sure the first date involves me using a coupon, although usually to a nice place. If she has a problem with me using coupons, we're not gonna work out.

If her daddy's rich, take her out for a meal
If her daddy's poor, just do what you feel

(speed along the lane, do a ton or a ton and twenty five...)

bargainhunter3 said:   I thought the restaurant I took her to was nice (Bravo), I just so happened to have a BOGO. But heres a good one, what about a gift card? Same as coupon? Or should I just stick to my black card. HAStop kidding yourself - there are no nice restaurants that do BOGO. "Nice" restaurants at most comp.

Now, there's nothing wrong with BOGO in a restaurant but please don't pretend that any place that does BOGO is nice. It means that the place is mismanaged, product is mis-priced and no one on staff has a clue.

A BOGO coupon for condoms is fine. What is not fine is using the condoms twice to slash cost in half.

I think people are arguing two things. Going on dates in general vs. the first few dates you go on.

Also, my expensive date was because it was an entire day noon-midnight of activities.

Al3xK said:   I think people are arguing two things. Going on dates in general vs. the first few dates you go on.
Why put on a show instead of being yourself at all stages of dating? Why is a steady girlfriend any less deserving of a good time than a prospective girlfriend?

qcumber98 said:   If the sex is good, then I'll take my date to dinner at Golden Corral.

If you take your date to Golden Corral too much, you might not want sex anymore.

To go on a date, you got to get a date first. Being cheap will scare the ladies away. They're worried your car may run out of gas, or that you'll use used condoms, or will "forget" your wallet at home.
You can be cheap, but be cheap to yourself, not to a nice lady.

Also, it is true the female side has been yearning for equality with the male side. They want to be treated no worse than men in all respects. That is fine. Every human should yearn to improve their lot.
The mating dance, however, likes to keep to old traditions. As a man, you are still looked upon with deep admiration by the women. Why let them down with a cheapskate mentality on a date-- of all places.
Treat a girl nicely, and see what a heavenly world she can create for you.

qcumber98 said:   svr411 said:   qcumber98 said:   If the sex is good, then I'll take my date to dinner at Golden Corral.

If you take your date to Golden Corral too much, you might not want sex anymore.Nah, it's just more cushion for the pushinYou won't be able to unsee it. I present you the people who did not select two hour top shelf open bar and instead went for the two hour apps.

Part of living the Fatwallet lifestyle is giving up things seen as normal or necessary by the conspicuously consuming masses.

Any woman who wouldn't feel uncomfortable at the wretched excess of a $150 dinner for two is someone whose values wouldn't be compatible with mine, assuming she isn't so loaded that she couldn't squander it all even if she tried.

Assuming a marginal combined federal/state/local/FICA tax rate of 35%, and assuming that $150 is inclusive of tip and sales tax, a $150 dinner represents a full day's wages for someone earning approximately $50k a year. That is a significant chunk of discretionary income.

Ever wonder why Johnny can't save? It's because things like $150 dinner dates are seen as essential and unavoidable like a rent payment or a water bill.

EvilCapitalist said:   Al3xK said:   I mentioned $150 because it wasn't like she took me for a couple drinks during happy hour and the bill was $12. I think $150 is a large amount for a date, especially when both parties are under 30. It is a huge amount for a date if you live in a dump where Olive Garden or TGI Fridays is considered a place to go.

In major metros on east and west coast in places where you won't get food poisoning the prices tend to be:

Wine - 9-16/glass, 8 being a fantastic deal.
Apps - 7-19 each, under 10 is a fantastic deal.
Entrees - 17-37/each, under 27 is a fantastic deal unless you or your date order the most pedestrian preparations of chicken or are blown away by tilapia
Coffee/espresso - 1.5-3
Deserts - 9-17

So on average a decent 1.5-2 hour dinner for two people will be about $150 including tip.
jeez, if she drinks multiple glasses of wine and eats an app, an entree, coffee and desSert, then she must be a hoss. most girls i know are filled up by a dinner salad.

svr411 said:   Part of living the Fatwallet lifestyle is giving up things seen as normal or necessary by the conspicuously consuming masses.Living FatWallet lifestyle means not overpaying for crap. It does not mean minimizing the outlay for the sake of minimizing the outlay. If that were the case, FatWallet folks would be living in a ghetto and eating ramen noodles for lunch and dinner and picking up hookers for a McDonalds cheeseburger (which if we are to listen to Maury seems to be the going rate).

And if you consider spending money on your partner to be "squandering", you have serious issues. Luckily for the partners of people like that, they seem to have just as many, which is why the fireworks of their breakups or divorces are so spectacular.

svr411 said:   Part of living the Fatwallet lifestyle is giving up things seen as normal or necessary by the conspicuously consuming masses.

Any woman who wouldn't feel uncomfortable at the wretched excess of a $150 dinner for two is someone whose values wouldn't be compatible with mine, assuming she isn't so loaded that she couldn't squander it all even if she tried.

Assuming a marginal combined federal/state/local/FICA tax rate of 35%, and assuming that $150 is inclusive of tip and sales tax, a $150 dinner represents a full day's wages for someone earning approximately $50k a year. That is a significant chunk of discretionary income.

Ever wonder why Johnny can't save? It's because things like $150 dinner dates are seen as essential and unavoidable like a rent payment or a water bill.

Someone who can't appreciate a $150 meal is someone whose values are not compatible with mine. I can appreciate the TX BBQ (as can my wife) and the $5.95 Pho (which we both love), but I can also appreciate the House of Prime Rib in SF where dinner for two is $200 or Dean Fearing's in Dallas or Madame Jeanettes in Aruba (unbelievable meal).

I am not above using a coupon or hitting up Maggianos for an evening out, but not on a first date and those don't compare to some of the finer restaurants in the US.

To me a first date is about making it for the woman. Make it memorable and make it about her. You are on the same level as every other first date until she learns about you and knowing that you should want to make it as memorable as you can.

svr411 said:   solarUS said:   jeez, if she drinks multiple glasses of wine and eats an app, an entree, coffee and desSert, then she must be a hoss. most girls i know are filled up by a dinner salad.

Or a bulimic.

Paying $150 for a dinner date is wasteful as a rule, and even more wasteful if your thin date is playing by Roman rules.

You must not do fine dining much. More $ does not mean more food. it means better quality food. Wife is 5'6" 125lb and we constantly eat 5-7 course meals. Not to mention while I wish I could act like my palate is great it is nice to have someone who knows how to pair various wines throughout a meal enhance the meal by doing so.

ETA: I have never had a scotch in my life, but would love to try a good one someday. From what I hear many people who drink scotch regularly tell you better quality is worth it meaning more $ spent. It does;t mean they drink liters of it.

jd2010 said:   EvilCapitalist said:   BarryAndLevon said:   Wretched excess. You gotta lay down the law: "Wine, appetizer, coffee, dessert: pick one!"Thanks, but some of us prefer to go out with women who don't fit into the mold of Jerry Springer guests.
Also, it's a shame that some people don't consider BBQ joints and other greasy spoons to be respectable places to go.That's because they 99% of the greasy spoon places offer nothing other than pathetic, barely edible food re-heated in microwaves delivered with utensils that are in fact greasy.

There's simply no comparison between a place that does terrific Pho for $5.75 , which gets you full when you ( and which you can only find in major metros with Vietnamese population ) and a real french restaurant that does chef's tasting menu of 7 courses at $120 per head. And none of them compare to a hot dog cart where you can get $1.25 hot dog.

We get it, you're fancy.Nope. I simply refuse to pay $40 for a dinner that I can make in twenty minutes for $10 while being out. That's the calculation that sane people engage. There's no value in it. So going to a place where two people can have a dinner for twice to three times the cost of what it would be to have identical if not superior meal at home is blowing money.

Getting a meal in a restaurant that one objectively cannot make at home for less is value.

EvilCapitalist said:   That's because they 99% of the greasy spoon places offer nothing other than pathetic, barely edible food re-heated in microwaves delivered with utensils that are in fact greasy.

There's simply no comparison between a place that does terrific Pho for $5.75 , which gets you full when you ( and which you can only find in major metros with Vietnamese population ) and a real french restaurant that does chef's tasting menu of 7 courses at $120 per head. And none of them compare to a hot dog cart where you can get $1.25 hot dog.

That's a flying fish that was flown from Japan that day. $17

Live scallop flown from Japan that day. $19

I once ate a fresh Moonpie...presumably flown THAT DAY from the Moon. $.99

Washed it down Gatorade, which according to the internet, is squeezed only from Florida alligators who voluntarily wear monacles. $1.50

Drove home in my Peugeot...which in case you didnt know, is f%$#(*g FRENCH yall. $1200.

EvilCapitalist said:   jd2010 said:   EvilCapitalist said:   BarryAndLevon said:   Wretched excess. You gotta lay down the law: "Wine, appetizer, coffee, dessert: pick one!"Thanks, but some of us prefer to go out with women who don't fit into the mold of Jerry Springer guests.
Also, it's a shame that some people don't consider BBQ joints and other greasy spoons to be respectable places to go.That's because they 99% of the greasy spoon places offer nothing other than pathetic, barely edible food re-heated in microwaves delivered with utensils that are in fact greasy.

There's simply no comparison between a place that does terrific Pho for $5.75 , which gets you full when you ( and which you can only find in major metros with Vietnamese population ) and a real french restaurant that does chef's tasting menu of 7 courses at $120 per head. And none of them compare to a hot dog cart where you can get $1.25 hot dog.

We get it, you're fancy.Nope. I simply refuse to pay $40 for a dinner that I can make in twenty minutes for $10 while being out. That's the calculation that sane people engage. There's no value in it. So going to a place where two people can have a dinner for twice to three times the cost of what it would be to have identical if not superior meal at home is blowing money.

Getting a meal in a restaurant that one objectively cannot make at home for less is value.

The problem is that you can't cook for 2 for 10 dollars... economies of scale... you will have to buy way too much and have shit go to waste. And in 20 minutes, lol, it takes 20 minutes to boil a pot of water or preheat an oven.

Not to mention mr fancy pants I value my time at more than 40 dollars an hour, and Im not a venture capitalist snooty dbag eating 150 dollar meals like you.

But whatever you want to tell yourself to legitimize your insanity.

I go out because I enjoy my time and enjoy the food and the outlay is comparable to the time/effort investment of cooking at home.

Eating a 150 dollar meal with 7 courses is plain insanity. My delicate little palate can't tell the difference, and I wouldn't enjoy the atmosphere anyway. To each their own.

hebron1427 said:   it's all about leverage. whoever wants it more will pay.

The difference is that men can tell the difference between condoms. Letting her buy is a crap shoot akin to having a blind person color coordinate your living room.