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Buy land to lease to a company that would put up a building for their use.


mwa423 said:   You forgot about marketing for Bizatch Crane, book keeping, insurance and permitting, crane maintenance, etc. You can buy the crane, hire an operator/manager, secretary/book keeper and show up, collect the cash and write the checks but you will probably have lower returns and higher risk.

This For most businesses, so much resources go toward licenses, taxes, renting storage space, business phone lines, signage, dealing with tire kickers asking questions, training employees who end up leaving or getting fired within a month, seeking employees or paying agencies for referrals, office utility bills, credit card processing fees, shrinkage (employee and customer theft), security system, etc.


daw4888 said:   RedCelicaGT said:   I was thinking about snowcones the other day. Believe it or not, in Vegas, I've only seen one snow cone stand. No joke, there was a 1.5H wait to get a freakin snowcone. I stood in line with a family member who really wanted one. The place probably grosses 3K a day. The trailer was probably 10K. Probably another 5K to outfit it. A few hundred bucks to rent a space in a parking lot. 2 people making close to minimum wage running it.

I know a guy who does it. He bought a full setup for 16k, and grossed around 1k a day, in a small town. You buy the flavoring for pennies per serving, and the setup came with a freezer to make the blocks of ice. So the only overhead would be paying someone to run it, and maybe some lot rent to some small store to setup in their parking lot.

After mixing the flavors the per ounce cost is about 13 cents. To make a good "sno-cone" takes 2-4 ounces.
- 5 pounds of sugar + 1 oz of flavor concentrate + water yields 1 gallon of syrup. Concentrate costs 28 cents per ounce.
Cups, spoons/straws & napkins.
Electricity or generator
License & inspection (likely will have to have filtering system in place for water source used to make ice)

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It is hard to do it small scale because of the cost of concentrate. They used to sell pints but now the smallest is quarts. To have a good selection takes more initial cost and the shelf life for concentrate is now only about a year.


Get a Planet Fitness franchise - $200k to 500k and put it right next to an ice cream place.


SUCKISSTAPLES said:   Snowcone stand in Vegas sounds like a winner to me. Push credit cards to reduce employee theft of cash .

Set up in that walgreen/fatburger parking lot on the strip, where there is insane foot traffic

How much to bribe the police, city inspectors and pay walgreen/fatburger?


I have a friend who owns some vending machines. Don't know the details, but it sounds like relatively easy returns.


Food truck in a blue-collar zone, paired with a woman food slinger with a propensity for smiling and short shorts?


doubleplay362 said:   I have a friend who owns some vending machines. Don't know the details, but it sounds like relatively easy returns.

Yea problem is that most vending machine areas probably have people who are entrenched who don't take kindly to competition. Try to start one up and you might be getting a visit from Lenny who will make you an offer you can't refuse. We have had similar discussions about bar gaming machines.


loan shark, hire some thugs for the deadbeats that dont pay and good luck tough guy


Hypersion said:   Hard-money lending to RE investors.

+1


these options would depend on local competition I suppose, but I hear opening a Subway restaurant ($50k franchise fee last I heard) is like opening a printing press, same with a Little Caesars. Buy a franchise, work a bit to get it off the ground, then hire people and do almost nothing to keep it running. A mini-storage place is also very profitable... cheap to build, cheap to run - gotta be in an area with reasonable demand tho.

I also heard once that a Hooters franchise fee was like $500k, but that they almost never take more than 6 months to pay off by the owners (which sounds crazy and I can't verify).


From franchise experience, it is no where near as easy as you guys make it out to seem.


skarydrunkguy said:   these options would depend on local competition I suppose, but I hear opening a Subway restaurant ($50k franchise fee last I heard) is like opening a printing press, same with a Little Caesars. Buy a franchise, work a bit to get it off the ground, then hire people and do almost nothing to keep it running. A mini-storage place is also very profitable... cheap to build, cheap to run - gotta be in an area with reasonable demand tho.

I also heard once that a Hooters franchise fee was like $500k, but that they almost never take more than 6 months to pay off by the owners (which sounds crazy and I can't verify).

Do you realize how much time and effort a successful franchisee puts into their business?


Wasn't there a thread a while back about lending to u-haul franchisees to buy trucks to rent, with the loans secured by those trucks? Sounds like something right up OP's alley...


A new thread coming up, "neighbors calling the police on my giant crane in the backyard."


skarydrunkguy said:   but I hear opening a Subway restaurant ($50k franchise fee last I heard) is like opening a printing press, same with a Little Caesars. Buy a franchise, work a bit to get it off the ground, then hire people and do almost nothing to keep it running. A mini-storage place is also very profitable... cheap to build, cheap to run - gotta be in an area with reasonable demand tho.

No offense to the poster, but this might be the biggest use of misinformation I have ever seen on fatwallet. Opening a subway is NOTHING like a printing press. If you don't believe me, walk into ANY subway, and show me one that doesn't have the owner (and usually his family) in there almost every day- all day.


Logan71 said:   Food truck in a blue-collar zone, paired with a woman food slinger with a propensity for smiling and short shorts?

You need a string of plants in a row to turn a profit. Roach Coach territory is sacred - you need to get in on a plant that is just opening up, and there aren't many being built in the US. Good luck trying to get in on the San Diego shipyard market in National City.


A thread on self-storage would be good. The rents are pretty high in DC ($100+ for the small unit per month), and there is a large transient population (international college students, state department civilian deployments, etc) returning a few months or a year later to the DC area.

There is one in southwest DC with a car elevator so you can pull your truck up to your unit. Others you have to move your stuff on a dolly, take a freight elevator, go down a hall and to your unit (it's not drive up like in most of the country).

However, there is a large amount of vacant warehouse space in DC, and most people don't need to access their storage unit but once or twice a year. I always thought the boxcart model (http://www.boxcart.com/) was much better / more efficient in cities. You get a metal storage unit (like door-to-door storage) except they offer storage in their warehouse rather than just shipping it from one place to another. If you need access to it, you call ahead and they pull your unit out of the stack and it's waiting for you on the warehouse dock.

You have empty ones available at the dock for people moving stuff in their own truck, or you charge a $50-100 pickup and delivery fee to drop the unit at a house for people to load and unload without a moving truck.


skarydrunkguy said:   these options would depend on local competition I suppose, but I hear opening a Subway restaurant ($50k franchise fee last I heard) is like opening a printing press, same with a Little Caesars.

By any chance was the person who told you this trying to sell you his franchise?


Rent out a kiosk at the mall and sell something unique during the holiday seasons.

P.S. DON'T get into the franchises that sell subs. It's a very risky business with low margins. Dunkin Donuts instead, although if you're from the Northeast you'll be locked out as there are no more authorized store openings for new franchisees (or even existing ones if I remember correctly).


elektronic said:   Logan71 said:   Food truck in a blue-collar zone, paired with a woman food slinger with a propensity for smiling and short shorts?You need a string of plants in a row to turn a profit. Roach Coach territory is sacred - you need to get in on a plant that is just opening up, and there aren't many being built in the US. Good luck trying to get in on the San Diego shipyard market in National City.True, but nowadays there is a big difference between a "food truck" and a "roach Coach". And with gas being expensive, zooming around in a roach Coach isn't as profitable. Whereas finding a nice parking spot in a downtown with an upscale food truck has all the people coming to you. Heck, I even follow a couple trucks on twitter to see which are going to be close to me on a given day.


He said blue-collar zone which implies:

1-roach Coach and
2-set lunch hour at each plant

You're not going to make a profit in a blue collar zone with only a 15-30 minute window to sell each day unless you go from plant to plant hitting every lunch hour.


I am looking to buy a liquor store, anyone here owns a liquor store? I am looking for some insight/suggestions on profitability and effort needed.


http://www.nyunews.com/life/2012/04/25/25threading/
These kiosks are growing like crazy.


WhatTheWho said:   I am looking to buy a liquor store, anyone here owns a liquor store? I am looking for some insight/suggestions on profitability and effort needed.

Your question is pointless without more details. What state? In Ohio, everything is basically set by the state (prices, what can be sold, hours you can be open, etc.) and so that is much different than Kentucky where you have everything from tiny huts that sell bumwine to WalMart sized liquor stores with $50 million in inventory.

I'm guessing your profit will look something like:

Revenue
-Costs
=Profit


skarydrunkguy said:   these options would depend on local competition I suppose, but I hear opening a Subway restaurant ($50k franchise fee last I heard) is like opening a printing press, same with a Little Caesars. Buy a franchise, work a bit to get it off the ground, then hire people and do almost nothing to keep it running. A mini-storage place is also very profitable... cheap to build, cheap to run - gotta be in an area with reasonable demand tho.

I also heard once that a Hooters franchise fee was like $500k, but that they almost never take more than 6 months to pay off by the owners (which sounds crazy and I can't verify).

I agree with whoever said someone must be trying to sell you their franchise. FWIW, I've heard a 6-figure number for a Subway franchise license, plus it's hard or impossible to find a suitable area that doesn't compete with another Subway. Most franchises require a ton of work by the owner and are definitely not printing presses. I'll tell you what is a printing press though -- being the franchisor.


isobro said:   From franchise experience, it is no where near as easy as you guys make it out to seem.

Yeah the people I know who run franchises (McDonalds, subway, etc- even some hotels) do NOT have it easy. How reliable do you think your $5/hour pimple faced kid is? Sure you can always be overstaffed and have a manager running things for you, but this cost a lot of $$, their job is never as good as what you would do, and can you trust them? The McDonalds owner I know did well, but he was ALWAYS dealing with some crap.

I think your best bet is to talk to a upper level financial manager- they can often help you buy relatively safe preferred bonds/etc which will have a better return than putting your money in a bank cd. That requires little effort.


alpinewhite said:   Buy land to lease to a company that would put up a building for their use.

Buy a large amount of land in the middle of no where. Donate a portion necessary to build a college. Sell the land surrounding the college at its now much higher property value. Profit, corrupt politician style.


only thing i can think of that gives that much in return is a drug dealer LOL... or a loan shark...


skarydrunkguy said:   these options would depend on local competition I suppose, but I hear opening a Subway restaurant ($50k franchise fee last I heard) is like opening a printing press

... and handing the proceeds over to somebody else.


Use your 100k as a down payment on a loan for 23 million. Buy 23 million worth of merchandise from Nordstroms using FatCash. Wait until the FatCash clears, return the merchandise.


WhatTheWho said:   I am looking to buy a liquor store, anyone here owns a liquor store? I am looking for some insight/suggestions on profitability and effort needed.

Colorado might be the best state to open a liquor store. By law grocery stores and other establishments that do business other than liquor can't compete with you. A recent law change now allows major stores(like WalMart for example) to now have 1 liquor selling store in the state instead of zero, but that doesn't really change much.


How about a screen repair place for iDevices? You need a tech or to learn how to do it yourself. You can charge just above $100. Parts are in the $30s if you buy in bulk.

I see these places popping up everywhere. A kiosk in a mall that has an Apple Store would be ideal.


BilldaCat said:   soundtechie said:   The standard lazy-man's business recently is self-serve frozen yogurt. Cheap to start, can be run by 1 or 2 low level employees, easy to make a profit.


The trouble is, it's so easy to start one up that as soon as you start one in a good area, a dozen others will open up to compete with you. My advice is: start it up, show a stiff profit for 6 months, then sell before you hit the event horizon.


Seriously. There's probably a dozen within a 5 mile radius here.

I started one business that required little capital but lots of effort. Probably about to start a second and third too. Not much easy money out there.

It's like the early 90s again. I still haven't figured out how the rebirth of this fad happened again


Bizatch said:   I have money in the bank that is earning 2% or less. I want to invest it somewhere to make more money. Real estate in my area, as a general rule, will only earn about 5% on a yearly basis. That's better than 2%, but in a few years won't be as attractive.

So, are their any business ideas that might require $100k+ to get started, but can earn a couple hundred dollars a day with little effort. Perhaps something like buying a crane for $100k and renting it out for $500/day. Little effort, just show up with the crane.

Ideas?

I'm a real estate investor with multiple properties already in California (where I live) and I'm looking for capital. If you're interested in discussing a potential relationship let me know. Since this is online, most likely won't work, but if you live near California where we could meet, might be a possible fit.


elektronic said:   Logan71 said:   Food truck in a blue-collar zone, paired with a woman food slinger with a propensity for smiling and short shorts?

You need a string of plants in a row to turn a profit. Roach Coach territory is sacred - you need to get in on a plant that is just opening up, and there aren't many being built in the US. Good luck trying to get in on the San Diego shipyard market in National City.

I'm not talking factory or plant, I'm talking hi-rise construction zone. I walk 5 blocks to work from the train station, and I'm always either walking with 30 hardhat dudes headed to the site, or in line behind 10 of them at the coffee shop. Certainly they dont take lunch all at the same time, and most would flock to something beside the local 7-11, which is the only retail/food presence nearby.


jcb193 said:   skarydrunkguy said:   but I hear opening a Subway restaurant ($50k franchise fee last I heard) is like opening a printing press, same with a Little Caesars. Buy a franchise, work a bit to get it off the ground, then hire people and do almost nothing to keep it running. A mini-storage place is also very profitable... cheap to build, cheap to run - gotta be in an area with reasonable demand tho.

No offense to the poster, but this might be the biggest use of misinformation I have ever seen on fatwallet. Opening a subway is NOTHING like a printing press. If you don't believe me, walk into ANY subway, and show me one that doesn't have the owner (and usually his family) in there almost every day- all day.

That was the way its been presented to me, so I apologize if mistaken. There are 3 Subway "restaurants" within 1 mile of my work and they are all always crowded (at least when I'm there -- not during lunch hours) and I've met the owners of each in passing. They all have very similar stories about pulling ~1 shift per week for paperwork and whatnot but otherwise they're living it up... or so they say. I do tend to take people at their word a little too often perhaps. I do personally know a LC franchise operator with 6 stores and he visits each one about once per month and spends the rest of the time chillin' at home. That one I can verify. His quote, "lots of work for the first year and a heavy initial investment, but the $5 hot and readys are a gold mine!" He opens a new store every 2 years because they're profitable. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but I know that if I could muster the initial cash, I'd ditch my 9-5 for turning $.65 worth of ingredients into $5 a few hundred times a day in a heartbeat!


HumDoHamaraDo said:   http://www.nyunews.com/life/2012/04/25/25threading/
These kiosks are growing like crazy.
Threading is growing in popularity, but that has to be one of the most misinformed articles I have ever read.


Be the host of the Dave Ramsey Show


CokeSlurpee711 said:   Be the host of the Dave Ramsey Show

But that would also require losing about 50 IQ points and being deemed legally retarded as well.


skarydrunkguy said:   jcb193 said:   skarydrunkguy said:   but I hear opening a Subway restaurant ($50k franchise fee last I heard) is like opening a printing press, same with a Little Caesars. Buy a franchise, work a bit to get it off the ground, then hire people and do almost nothing to keep it running. A mini-storage place is also very profitable... cheap to build, cheap to run - gotta be in an area with reasonable demand tho.

No offense to the poster, but this might be the biggest use of misinformation I have ever seen on fatwallet. Opening a subway is NOTHING like a printing press. If you don't believe me, walk into ANY subway, and show me one that doesn't have the owner (and usually his family) in there almost every day- all day.


That was the way its been presented to me, so I apologize if mistaken. There are 3 Subway "restaurants" within 1 mile of my work and they are all always crowded (at least when I'm there -- not during lunch hours) and I've met the owners of each in passing. They all have very similar stories about pulling ~1 shift per week for paperwork and whatnot but otherwise they're living it up... or so they say. I do tend to take people at their word a little too often perhaps. I do personally know a LC franchise operator with 6 stores and he visits each one about once per month and spends the rest of the time chillin' at home. That one I can verify. His quote, "lots of work for the first year and a heavy initial investment, but the $5 hot and readys are a gold mine!" He opens a new store every 2 years because they're profitable. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but I know that if I could muster the initial cash, I'd ditch my 9-5 for turning $.65 worth of ingredients into $5 a few hundred times a day in a heartbeat!

I would tend to side with the people saying that it's much harder than it looks...but I have a good friend from high school who owns 4 stores and he said (recently) that he works 4 hours a week - one in each store. I questioned him closely about all the headaches, etc, and he just said "I'm VERY good at this - the headaches are minimal." I gathered that he netted about $70k annually per store. Granted he has worked at subway since he started college, then took over a subway in the town that he went to college, and went from there.




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