Dangers of carrying large amounts of cash in/through Tennessee

psm321 said:   delzy said:   stanolshefski said:   

Audio recording is a crime in some states -- Maryland is one.

There are twelve states that require all party consent. They are:

...
Michigan
...My understanding (IANAL) is that Michigan law is unclear but is interpreted by most to only apply to people outside the conversation that are recording (because it refers to eavesdropping).
http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/michigan-recording-law

I have an opinion letter from the Michigan Attorney General's office stating the same thing. It considers MI to be a one-party state. IANAL.

ppatin said:   Kanosh said:   
1. You likely will have to invoke your right to remain silent multiple times. Don't get lulled into unrelated conversations with the cops and don't joke with them. If you invoke your rights, but later disclose information to the cops, you have just un-invoked your rights. Many cops are very good at interrogations and in getting confessions, even from hostile people, and in some cases, even from people who didn't do what they are confessing to! Play it safe, just ask for a lawyer and ask for one again each time you are questioned.


The answer to that one is long and complicated. Under some circumstances you as you say "un-invoke" your right to remain silent. In Maryland we have conflicting caselaw about this, with the Maryland Court of Appeals having struck down a confession that was later allowed in a separate federal case. Google the Leeander Blake case if you're curious.

There was a recent Supreme Court case about this actually... I believe the current interpretation is that if you wish to invoke your rights, you must explicitly request it, as in... "I wish to invoke my right to remain silent, please stop questioning me." From then on, they are not allowed to question you. If you implicitly request it by remaining silent, the police can question you indefinitely -- and anything you say is admissible in court no matter how long you remained silent prior to speaking. Since that was the Supreme Court, it should be applicable in all states and jurisdictions.

NOTE: I'm not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice, I just listen to CSPAN way too often.

hpmax said:   ppatin said:   Kanosh said:   
1. You likely will have to invoke your right to remain silent multiple times. Don't get lulled into unrelated conversations with the cops and don't joke with them. If you invoke your rights, but later disclose information to the cops, you have just un-invoked your rights. Many cops are very good at interrogations and in getting confessions, even from hostile people, and in some cases, even from people who didn't do what they are confessing to! Play it safe, just ask for a lawyer and ask for one again each time you are questioned.


The answer to that one is long and complicated. Under some circumstances you as you say "un-invoke" your right to remain silent. In Maryland we have conflicting caselaw about this, with the Maryland Court of Appeals having struck down a confession that was later allowed in a separate federal case. Google the Leeander Blake case if you're curious.

There was a recent Supreme Court case about this actually... I believe the current interpretation is that if you wish to invoke your rights, you must explicitly request it, as in... "I wish to invoke my right to remain silent, please stop questioning me." From then on, they are not allowed to question you. If you implicitly request it by remaining silent, the police can question you indefinitely -- and anything you say is admissible in court no matter how long you remained silent prior to speaking. Since that was the Supreme Court, it should be applicable in all states and jurisdictions.

NOTE: I'm not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice, I just listen to CSPAN way too often.
Happened to someone I know recently. I believe that they can even use your refusal to answer questions against you if you haven't invoked your right to remain silent.

cr3s said:   Check this out. If this guy wasn't a judge on the State Supreme Court, nothing would ever be done. And they said so themselves.
Police Officer struck State Supreme Court Judge in the Throat

I was once standing on the sidelines of a police formation as they were grouping to enter a crowd of partiers. As they began their march down the sidewalk , they held their batons horizontally , and they would swing left to right as they marched. When one of the officers passed me, he intentionally made sure his baton swing reached an extra foot or two , to strike me in my stomach as they all marched by in the formation .

I dare not say a word lest I be layed out in the ground by 20 officers . I didn't feel like getting arrested that night and unfortunately did not have a camera to record it. Now my camera is always on when the cops are nearby .

There's a reason they earn their reputation as pigs.

I'm glad it happened to this guy. He says he was a police supporter for years and was concerned for the cops, the only people likely to have guns in the situation. Like I said, police are so out of control now, it doesn't matter if you are white and the cop is black, if you are old, young, or a state supreme court judge. You too may have your rights violated.

Asked whether he intended to sue, Justice Raffaele said, “At this point, no, I don’t.”
Apparently the judge hasn't learned his lesson.

When they first came upon the crowd, the judge said, he was immediately concerned for the officers and called 911. After he made the call, he said, he saw that one of the officers — the one who he said later attacked him — was repeatedly dropping his knee into the handcuffed man’s back.His actions, the judge said, were inflaming the crowd, some of whom had been drinking. But among others who loudly expressed their concern, he said, was a woman who identified herself as a registered nurse; she was calling to the officer, warning that he could seriously hurt the unidentified man, who an official later said was not charged.

What the crap? You get handcuffed and have knees dropped on you like it is WWF and you aren't even charged??? Good grief, the NYC cops have been out of control for decades, but this is absurd.

codename47 said:   I'm glad it happened to this guy. He says he was a police supporter for years and was concerned for the cops, the only people likely to have guns in the situation. Like I said, police are so out of control now, it doesn't matter if you are white and the cop is black, if you are old, young, or a state supreme court judge. You too may have your rights violated.

Asked whether he intended to sue, Justice Raffaele said, “At this point, no, I don’t.”
Apparently the judge hasn't learned his lesson.

When they first came upon the crowd, the judge said, he was immediately concerned for the officers and called 911. After he made the call, he said, he saw that one of the officers — the one who he said later attacked him — was repeatedly dropping his knee into the handcuffed man’s back.His actions, the judge said, were inflaming the crowd, some of whom had been drinking. But among others who loudly expressed their concern, he said, was a woman who identified herself as a registered nurse; she was calling to the officer, warning that he could seriously hurt the unidentified man, who an official later said was not charged.

What the crap? You get handcuffed and have knees dropped on you like it is WWF and you aren't even charged??? Good grief, the NYC cops have been out of control for decades, but this is absurd.

I agree with CN, file a lawsuit against the bully. Appeasement does not work.

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   elektronic said:   cr3s said:   SUCKISSTAPLES said:   I've been pulled over twice within 500 feet of each other, and had to point to the cop behind me pulling out to tell the current officer that his buddy just finished harassing me..,,

Profiling is alive and well. And it's not just race ,it's the kind of car you drive too.

don't drive a candy apple green w/ sparkles Caprice on 24 while dressed like a crack dealer and you won't get pulled over.


but Bubbleking puts flakes in the paint for no extra charge

Speaking of which, slightly off topic, is there are good forum for the early 2000s Cadillac Devilles? They seem like a lot of car for the money, and edmunds doesn't list a whole lot of mechanical problems on them. I see a lot of folks from Soufeast DC and PGC driving them.
I just picked up a northstar Lac at the auction , bubble king pricing couldn't resist . They have a headgasket problem very common to them

Interesting - "head gasket deville" turns up a lot of hits. The same engine block is still being used today in the DTS - there is no mention of them fixing the problem in later revisions. Looks like they made a Rev in 2000, and 2004 that fixed the problem, but no idea if the 2004 really fixed it or they haven't gotten the milleage on them to have the problem.

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   EvilCapitalist said:   SUCKISSTAPLES said:   ppatin said:   fatwalletkat said:   Last time I went through Tennessee the cops were waiting for you to cross the border so they could ticket you. Maybe if Tennessee devoted more man power to actual crime they wouldn't be high on the list for most dangerous state due to the murder/crime rate. If you decline to be searched, they will just detain you until they get a warrant. They win either way.

You cannot get a search warrant without probable cause, and you also can't detain a motorist for an extended period of time for no real reason.
Yes but they will create a reason if you refuse

I've never heard of anyone who refused consent to search who was then simply allowed to leave. Never .

They call in the k9 car and of course he will alert, giving them justification to search or impound .And if that happens, I will gladly settle for a few hundred thousand dollars from the police department for a day ( at worst a weekend) in jail.
If you have nothing, you don't end up in jail. The k9 alerts, cop searches your car and then you're in your way (if nothing is found ) or impounds it and you get to walk home. You'll be getting no settlement money for that

For the most part, people with nothing to hide consent to a search.

Even people who value their rights consent to search when they are told the k9 car will come out, again assuming they have nothing to hide

HORSESH!T!

People who don't want to be further inconvenienced, who do not want some stranger rifling through their personal belongings, who do not want their car trashed and left for them to clean up, will typically refuse consent to search.

You will be more inconvenienced, and delayed longer if you refuse the search. They will interrogate you as to why you are refusing. They may play the power trip card and handcuff you.

They do not tear up your car when you voluntarily welcome the search . I'm not saying you should welcome the search, ESP if you disagree with it. I'm just saying it's most often more inconvenient to refuse. Than to just let them have their fun and be on your way.

JaxFL said:   As the driver for this stretch, I had sheriffs deputies, wiith shotguns out, just south of Jackson Mississippi, on the way to Mardi Gras ( #2 or 3). Two cars boxed us in on a 2 lane road. I'm sure they saw open container once stopped, but luckily they didn't search, as I was traveling with others and who knows ( I do). Drunkin friends no doubt. To a certain degree luckily a loud mouth drunk friend was involved, and got jailed, or it coulda been me. Things were never the same. So close yet so far.

Though it didn't happen that time, always watch out for... You don't mind...?

I just read this and just wanted to let you know that you can drive around with open containers in Mississippi. As long as the driver isn't above the limit you're good to go.

marketingmike said:   062703 said:   
Call me old fashioned, but I'd much rather someone forcibly butt rape me than tell them to do whatever they want.

I'd prefer neither. YMMV
Whatever floats your boat. I don't like k9s and I don't like waiting around . I also wouldnt like being butt raped and I don't have drug remnants or guns in my car , so they can play their game if they Want.

BradisBrad said:   SUCKISSTAPLES said:   it was candy burgundy and only on 20s.

Heres a long video, but shows the underside of cops...especially telling is the part where the guy asks how to file a complaint

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmGWLsn0iM&feature=related

I watched the whole thing. I feel sick.

I have to believe that this and other videos like it are referencing the broken <1% of the police force. I have to or else I could lose faith in this country.

I'm a young, clean looking, and even well spoken white male and I feel like I'm in danger after watching this. It's scary as shit.
I can tell you it's definitely not 1% of cops who are like that. This is common . It's happened to me multiple times so it can't be a tiny outlier , and I'm well spoken and don't fit the profile of a criminal .

Hard to hazard a guess but I'd say that's typical behavior for 30-50% of them . And the part about asking how to file a complaint and getting the runaround or harassed must occur a majority of the time -heck it just happened to that Judge in the article linked above

Another thing that is disturbing is how quickly and easily cops lie for each other.

BradisBrad said:   SUCKISSTAPLES said:   I can tell you it's definitely not 1% of cops who are like that. This is common . It's happened to me multiple times so it can't be a tiny outlier , and I'm well spoken and don't fit the profile of a criminal .

Hard to hazard a guess but I'd say that's typical behavior for 30-50% of them . And the part about asking how to file a complaint and getting the runaround or harassed must occur a majority of the time -heck it just happened to that Judge in the article linked above

So logically thinking, how are we not inching towards revolution? I feel like I should be looking for one during my lifetime. Not just because of a power-abusing police force, but in the many other ways that this country has moved away from it's original principles. I simply don't understand. I really feel like I'm missing something.

You are missing medication. Go buy a cabin in Montana.

If you want to get an idea of the percentages - go to the flyertalk travel safety and security forum - this is just the TSA, they aren't even cops.

saladdin said:   BradisBrad said:   SUCKISSTAPLES said:   I can tell you it's definitely not 1% of cops who are like that. This is common . It's happened to me multiple times so it can't be a tiny outlier , and I'm well spoken and don't fit the profile of a criminal .

Hard to hazard a guess but I'd say that's typical behavior for 30-50% of them . And the part about asking how to file a complaint and getting the runaround or harassed must occur a majority of the time -heck it just happened to that Judge in the article linked above

So logically thinking, how are we not inching towards revolution? I feel like I should be looking for one during my lifetime. Not just because of a power-abusing police force, but in the many other ways that this country has moved away from it's original principles. I simply don't understand. I really feel like I'm missing something.

You are missing medication. Go buy a cabin in Montana.

Do they sell medication at cabins in Montana?

codename47 said:   The Philly police dropped a bomb on a house, killed 11 people nearly half of them children, and the resulting fire burned down 65 houses because the police refused to let the firefighters put out the fire and nobody was charged, much less went to jail.

I remember as a kid in the Philly 'burbs thinking the whole MOVE incident made no sense whatsoever. Now as an adult, it makes even less.

DoctorDeals said:   codename47 said:   The Philly police dropped a bomb on a house, killed 11 people nearly half of them children, and the resulting fire burned down 65 houses because the police refused to let the firefighters put out the fire and nobody was charged, much less went to jail.

I remember as a kid in the Philly 'burbs thinking the whole MOVE incident made no sense whatsoever. Now as an adult, it makes even less.

Did you know that the Philly police department was the only metropolitan police department that attended the SALT2 talks?

No, there are some checks in place, and it depends on if you are talking about administrative action such as firing, suspensions, or reprimands vs criminal indictments vs civil rights claims.

The union aspect is huge. They protect bad cops and make it nearly impossible to fire/discipline cops.

If you are harassed by a cop, you could complain to the local prosecutor, state police, or FBI. You would need a very good case, particularly with the FBI, video or audio evidence plus severe damages like someone injured in the hospital or dead before the FBI opens a CRIMINAL civil rights case. A bad traffic stop typically won't cut it unless it is part of a larger pattern of abuse/harassment (Think sherrif Joe in AZ)

Beating the cops down in Federal court on a 42 USC 1983 case is usually the preferred approach and most promising for the majority. It can result in a judgment against the individual officer. That will typically give them pause as well as the city forking over money tends to change policies and illegal practices from what I have seen. Look at Philly where they arrested a guy at gun point who was legally open carrying. They paid him 50k and had multiple retraining and police notifications sent out to try to avoid that.

riznick said:   Happened to someone I know recently. I believe that they can even use your refusal to answer questions against you if you haven't invoked your right to remain silent.

That's why you invoke the Fizzifth.

NikeFace said:   
I start screaming "this is an illegal search. You had reason to search as my glovie and trunk were locked. Illegal!" I wasn't really sure if I was right. I just kept screaming "illegal."  The cop came back, uncuffed me, dropped the bag in the storm drain, threw my license in my car, and simply left w/o a word. I'm free!

I know someone who got stopped by CBP, but not at a border. Apparently CBP has jurisdiction a certain number of miles from the border, which includes 75% of the US population because it includes water borders, and this happened quite a bit in from the border at a CBP checkpoint. They had never left the country.

He was stupid, and his passengers were stupid (they were all upper class white and not used to dealing with the popo, federal or otherwise), so through a variety of circumstances that never should have happened if they were smart, the drug dog ended up sitting inside their car and pointing to their weed. The CBP officer let them throw the weed in a dumpster or other irretrievable place and let them go on their way. I wonder if that would have happened if they had darker skin, although at least most immigrants and their kids have dealt with CBP (or its predecessors) off the Boeing and probably wouldn't have been dumb enough to end up in this scenario.