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Dear All,
I hold a BSc degree in communication engineering and spent 14 months as a project manager at one of the mobile operators in my country.
Frankly, I disliked the job and the project management part and I was not good at it. I prefer a more technical role.
So I decided to quit my job and follow another direction by signing as a web development engineer in a non-profit banking organization (19 months to-date).
With no background or experience in the field, I personally rely on the self-learn basis and the assistance of a friend in the field.
My problem is that I am not interested in the field (although the feedback is extremely positive on my performance), the salary is a joke, and I do not have the complete qualities to qualify for a job as a web developer outside this organization (at least not yet).
Due to the lack of job availability and the ongoing economic recessions I decided to switch from engineering as I feel my patience is wearing thin.
I consulted a professional (in the banking business) and he advised me with the CFA program.
After a little bit of research about the program, I started studying for the CFA program.
Unfortunately due to my engineering background, I found life difficult as I am not familiar with most of the financial terminologies even though I regularly used search engines to be more accustomed to those terminologies.
To pursue a career in finance, my other options are either to apply for a diploma in finance or apply for a MBA program.

My questions are:
1) How do I decide whether moving into finance is the right move for me or not?
I love mathematics. I love working things out with my hands over a managing role. I love to analyze and search for different options to solve a problem (due to the nature of programming for web development).
2) How would employers look at me as a candidate who has already changed his major once?


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yehiahammad said:   2) How would employers look at me as a candidate who has already changed his major once?

Unless you can sell yourself as a quant Jedi, having an engineering background is pretty much the kiss of death for any front-office jobs in financial services.

Financial services is a lot more than math. It's all the stuff you're not grasping in the CFA.

And people skills.

If you did not like the nontechnical aspects of project management, you have no future in finance. Sorry.


You need to give the engineering a serious shot. Frankly, you have not had a core technical job for a significant period of time.
Project manager doesnt count and looks like the web development engineer position doesn't provide enough mentoring/support (is it a one/two person IT operation?).

In short, you are getting discouraged/quitting your field too soon.


yehiahammad said:   To pursue a career in finance


What do you mean when you say finance?

Asset Management? Investment banking? Quant?

It's important to know before sitting for the CFA exams because if you want to get into some areas, like investment banking for example, you shouldn't waste you time IMHO.


Change your major to math when you get tired of finance. Then change to something else. Rinse and repeat.


qcumber98 said:   Change your major to math when you get tired of finance. Then change to something else. Rinse and repeat.

batman confused. you already have a degree, why and how is OP changing majors? Changing careers you mean?
Or is OP talking about going back to school?


OP what is your Myers-Briggs?


jkimcpa said:   OP what is your Myers-Briggs?

Sounds like INFJ, if I had to guestimate from OP post.


Thank you for your post.
I need to think the whole thing through once more.


Unsure what type of strings you have attached where you current reside but if you cant nail a job where you are now..look out to other states/countries?


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Good luck regardless.


Actually this is what I need to figure out.
I have a lot of research to do and I am looking for any professional advice I can get, to make the right decision.


imbatman said:   qcumber98 said:   Change your major to math when you get tired of finance. Then change to something else. Rinse and repeat.

batman confused. you already have a degree, why and how is OP changing majors? Changing careers you mean?
Or is OP talking about going back to school?

My understanding is, he's going back to school to get a different degree and eventually, change careers.


yes I read the "Career Change from Engineering to Finance" article and everyone says that ENG+MBA is always a plus.
Which is opposing to what most of the opinions on this post.


Actually yes, but it is the last time I choose to change my career path


I can't change careers every now and then and expect to grow in a field


yehiahammad said:   yes I read the "Career Change from Engineering to Finance" article and everyone says that ENG+MBA is always a plus.
Which is opposing to what most of the opinions on this post.
Well, you did say Frankly, I disliked the job and the project management part and I was not good at it. I prefer a more technical role.


seems I am missing something here.
what does project management have to do with finance?


yehiahammad said:   I love mathematics. I love working things out with my handsSooo... you still count on your hands?

But seriously, what's a "BSc degree in communication engineering"? Does that mean you took courses on computer networks, security, communication protocols, etc? It just doesn't sound like something deserving of its own B.S. degree.


cryptography, modulation, EMW, antennas, radars, DVB systems, channel coding, etc...


If you did well in school, you must be good with logic and numbers, and it should be easy to go to any finance-related field. Maybe you're trying to learn too many acronyms too quickly.


yehiahammad said:   cryptography, modulation, EMW, antennas, radars, DVB systems, channel coding, etc...
Looks like an Electrical Engineering degree with a focus on communication systems. Is this degree from a US university (based on the terminology, I suspect this is from a foreign University).


uh get a technical position in a bank then become friends with sales and operations?


yes. it is a foreign university


actually I am currently juggling two career paths. building on my web development skills for the job I currently occupy, and studying FCA (code of ethics and interest rates, compound interest, factors of interest rates,etc...) for a possible future career


OP, I've changed industries/careers several times. Not by choice.

I graduated in 1979 with a BS in Mechanical Engineering, wanting to work in alternative energy. Reagan killed the field.

I then went into defense work in 1983. I found out that that's regular layoffs and crazy pressure. I had to relocate to Utah and then Maine to follow the jobs. I got an MBA in 1990 to broaden my choices.

In 1991, I changed fields and went into risk analysis for the nuclear industry. I figured that the industry was headed toward environmental remediation and got a MS in Environmental Engineering. I was surprised when the company declared it didn't have enough money to do environmental restoration and in 1995 I had to fall back on my defense background. In 1998 I lucked into the high tech boom, and had a great career until it busted in 2001. Again I fell back on my defense background and relocated to Colorado Springs. Another layoff, and then I found myself doing data analysis in the pay TV industry.

My suggestions to you:

1. All jobs suck, some less than others. Sounds to me like you're not going to be happy wherever you land. Suck it up.
2. Changing industries/fields is HARD. New learning curve, and your previous industry contacts become worthless.
3. Just get a job and commit to it.


yehiahammad said:   seems I am missing something here.
what does project management have to do with finance?

Both project management and many finance positions have the following attributes in common:
1. Strong attention to detail
2. Intensely logical focus
3. Ability to accomplish goals by influencing others

Sure, there are lots of differences. But those 3 are in common. And I'm guessing #3 is not one of your strong suits.


jkimcpa said:   OP what is your Myers-Briggs?

Totally off topic (feel free to red me for it) but am I the only one is thinks Myers-Briggs is complete and total non-sense?


agreed


I did not take the Myers-Briggs test, as I was unaware of it until now.


actually yes
if this is what you mean by INFJ is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=INFJ


Have you considered being a patent agent? Not sure of the demand for patent agents now nor the pay but it's worth considering. It's very technical. You will need to take the Patent Exam.


thank you for your feedback, after a skim-research a patent agent is a patent lawyer. I am not interested in a career were law is the main focus.


yehiahammad said:   thank you for your feedback, after a skim-research a patent agent is a patent lawyer. I am not interested in a career were law is the main focus.

A patent agent is NOT a patent lawyer.

Patent lawyer = technical background + law degree + patent exam
patent agent = technical background + patent exam


ok, I will double check and see. thanks for the clarification


yehiahammad said:   actually yes
if this is what you mean by INFJ is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=INFJ
So you took the test and you got INFJ or you just think based on the description that's you? Because I was going to suggest actuary as you sound like an INTJ. It's odd that you'd have an engineering degree with an F.


jkimcpa said:   yehiahammad said:   actually yes
if this is what you mean by INFJ is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=INFJ
So you took the test and you got INFJ or you just think based on the description that's you? Because I was going to suggest actuary as you sound like an INTJ. It's odd that you'd have an engineering degree with an F.

I have an engineering degree and I got INFP.
What sort of career path should I consider?


dynosksf said:   jkimcpa said:   yehiahammad said:   actually yes
if this is what you mean by INFJ is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=INFJ
So you took the test and you got INFJ or you just think based on the description that's you? Because I was going to suggest actuary as you sound like an INTJ. It's odd that you'd have an engineering degree with an F.


I have an engineering degree and I got INFP.
What sort of career path should I consider?
What kind of engineering?


BEEFjerKAY said:   yehiahammad said:   2) How would employers look at me as a candidate who has already changed his major once?

Unless you can sell yourself as a quant Jedi, having an engineering background is pretty much the kiss of death for any front-office jobs in financial services.

Financial services is a lot more than math. It's all the stuff you're not grasping in the CFA.

And people skills.

If you did not like the nontechnical aspects of project management, you have no future in finance. Sorry.

Well, I partially agree and partially disagree with this assessment.

1. Traders make the most money in finance. Some of them are very technical. But they don't program platform software. They program software that facilitates trading,

2. Front office IT folks are treated poorly. Job might be interesting, pay might be good. But this is a trade-off that should be considered,

3. There are a lot of quant jobs. Some of these jobs are quant trading jobs, some are trading support and research jobs, and some are in risk. Quants who trade have very good technical skills, but also a lot of finance. Some or a lot of the finance can be learned,

4. I don't think you necessarily need management skills. I think you need networking skills and need to be able to get along with people you work and do business with.

But, the most important thing is this: if you have SUPERB technical skills, you can probably find a dozen jobs with very technical trading firms.


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CFA exams will not help you get a job. Period. And this is coming from someone who's been in finance for a while and have seen countless resumes with people who passed CFA L1 or L2. It can only complement your existing experience in finance, but it does not work if you are trying to break in.

I think the below article sums up the pros and cons quite well.

http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/cfa-investment-banking/




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