I was wondering if you all could give some advice and provide some recommendations.
I recently applied for a job and after subsequently being successfully interviewed; I was awaiting the offer letter. It turns out the company uses a HR screening/verification service to verify past history right before sending out the offer letter. Everything checked out for the most part except one major item.
The HR screening/verification agency has somehow tied my name with someone with the exact same name to a criminal case twenty years ago. However, twenty years ago, I was never in the US and was much younger than the age of the person mentioned in the report (My age right now matches the criminal individual twenty years ago).
Due to the company’s policies they stated they cannot send an offer letter until the verification agency provides a clear report; namely, the removal of the criminal case. After requesting the verification agency to review the report they are claiming it is accurate.
I am highly considering legal action against the verification agency. I cannot understand how the verification agency can continue to list the criminal activity on my report simply by associating names despite the very obvious age discrepancy and lack of other identifying information.
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winter
Cranky Member
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 6:53a
Did you call the verification agency? ?
taxmantoo
Ancient Member
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 8:04a
My first thought is to get it in writing and then sue them for libel. They spread malicious or grossly negligent untruth about you, causing you to lose xxxxx per year in wages. How many months/years' wages could the plaintiff hope to get in such a situation?
xit
Loyal Member
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 10:01a
there are lots of companies that aggregate all kinds of data from public sources. They make associations of the data based on names, addresses and even SSN if they have that info.
You do need something in writing from the verification agency. look on their website for info on how to report incorrect info or challenge the accuracy of the info.
also see the privacy website on background checks https://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs16-bck.htm scroll down to the section called "There is an error in my background check report. They have me mixed up with another person with a similar name and a criminal record. What should I do?"
What did the company HR representative say? Is she aware that it is a grievous mistake and/or using common sense to see that you're not the criminal?
jkimcpa
Senior Member - 5K
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 2:46p
Al3xK said: What did the company HR representative say? Is she aware that it is a grievous mistake and/or using common sense to see that you're not the criminal?HR using common sense? lol.
mainomega
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 3:23p
One thing I've learned through all my life and countless jobs. Either large or small... the HR department is always the same. Pretty inept.
Claymore
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 5:10p
Chances are realy good the HR people are using a third party verificaiton company. There are laws in most states thhat govern adverse actions like this. You first should make it clear to the HR people that your intent is to clear up with the verification monkeys and ask them to be patient. Next, you need to get on the phone with someone in senior management at the verification company. Do NOT settle for the senior clerk in charge. They don't give a rip what happens to you they have to clear a mountain of other verifications. If they are not accommodating and helpful, you may need to lawyer up and go after them, but as a last resort you can reach out to the court they got their bad info from, ask the court to confirm you are not the guy, and bring that to the HR people AND the verification firm.
Doing all this crap yourself is not fun, can be expensive, and a real pain in the arse. But if you want the job.....
I'm a recruiter, primarily of automotoive engineers in SE Michigan. We have an OEM that requires us to use a third party verificaiton firm for all hires. I get that they had to do this, as many of our competitors faked verification results and got busted. Trouble is the firm they make us use is beyond incompetent, running their calls out of a call center somewhere where they don't speak english very well. Their own logs show they routinely call for employment verifications at about 6:30pm. -Drives us knuts. We end up doing the verification for them and then spoon feeding it to them so they can line a file and bill us a couple hundred dollars, which we have to pass on to our customer. Wow, good thing they're so much more efficient and saving a lot of money.
Muffinhead80
Handsome Member
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 7:10p
You are protected with the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA). See this link for your options.
In your case, OP, I think both your prospective employer and the background check company are incompetent and lazy. If I wanted a job candidate, it wouldn't take much to clear this up.
I ran background checks and credit reports for 600 job candidates for a Fortune 50 company. I've seen it all -- from mismatched background checks, to people with criminal histories, to positive drug tests, to complete fabrications of multiple college degrees. I've received a hit back on a similar names before (i.e. common names like "John Smith", even down to the middle name and state of birth) and I would always make follow-up calls with our very reputable background check vendor -- and we would fix this in under an hour.
A 20-year age discrepancy? Something is fishy here.
BradMajors
Ancient Member
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 8:36p
I am surprised that HR told you. I would have expected that they would just turn you down and not providing a reason. Providing a reason opens the possibility of a law suit.
nsdp
Dismembered Member
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 9:24p
Brad not giving a reason if the matter is criminal makes the employer subject to jail time of his/her own under 18 USC2511. Computer Matching and Privacy Amendment of 1988 and the Computer Matching and Privacy Protection Amendments of 1990 kick in if they used a computer data base to obtain the information. If they used the National Crime Information Center in El Paso then heaven help them and you. There is so much bad data there that no one should trust or use it. The 1990 amendments were aimed at users of NCIC. I have represented a couple of employers who didn't understand. OP you might start with filing a complaint with the FTC. Do tell the employer before hand so they can really screw this one up. Then wait a couple of days to file to see if they get scared and realize they have really messed up and want to settle. The third party has to be a licensed PI to do the work no legal assistants no secretaries. If not you may never have to work another day in your life.
Muffinhead80
Handsome Member
posted: Sep. 6, 2012 @ 10:09p
OP's beef is with the verification company. FCRA dictates that, after "adverse action", the prospective employer send out an FCRA notice letter to the applicant. In this case, that adverse action was the revocation of a job offer based on a [erroneous] criminal "hit" on a background check. OP has 60 days (I think) to *dispute* the matter with the background check company. That letter should be sent out by the employer to OP, and it's usually certified (with signature delivery confirmation), and sent quickly. That letter will have a 1-800 number for you to call and *dispute* the findings, and rectify them in your favor. I suspect the employer doesn't like this situation, but their hands are tied -- until that background check comes back "clean", they can't do anything, otherwise they would violate their policies, as well as HR rules/laws. There is still a chance you can clean up the background check and also get the job -- but if this doesn't play out well, that chance will quickly fade. Depends on the recruiter, the company, the job position, applicant, etc.
And if there is incompetence involved, then you've got a lawsuit on your hands (per nsdp's post above). I wouldn't prompt the employer about the FCRA letter. If they screwed up, the burden of proof is on them to prove they sent it, and you received it.
Crazytree
Senior Member - 9K
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 12:44a
This is probably done by LexisNexis.
I was hired to threaten them into removing some information that may or may not have been 100% accurate.
FCRA applies, as stated above. Research the law and send a debt validation letter. That's what I did and they cleared the record on the last day to do so pursuant to statute and the applicant was hired.
This was as easy as disputing an incorrect item on a credit report due to this type of report falling within the ambit of the FCRA.
computerquest
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 5:52a
A few months ago I switched jobs. The biggest hold up was the background check--the company that was hired was so inept I was flabbergasted. They told my employer that I never attended and did not graduate from a university. When I called the agency to "discuss" the matter with them, the CSR did not speak English very well. She said that she had personally called the university on 1/16/12 and was told that I did not attend school nor did I graduate from there. When I pointed out to her that that was not possible, she was insistant that she was telling the truth. Apparently she did not know that 1/16 was Martin L. King day and all offices were closed.
My background check still took another week to clear after I told her she couldn't have gotten that information on a holiday. I had already provided the HR department with official transcripts and the contact information for the director of the program I completed.
OP--I would sue the pants off of the verification company and see if I could get a criminal background check from the police dept. where I live to provide to the employer. Even a quick check would confirm that those charges are not yours since you are not the correct age.
bterwilliger
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 7:06a
Sue company.
Depending on the state, request a CERTIFIED criminal history report/letter from the local PD, OR from the state department of criminal justice (in MA it is an iCORI report - google). Then have it certified/apostelled by the secretary of state. They can't argue with that. You will need it for your lawsuit anyway.
It will also show if you are connected to the the criminal in the state system. If by chance you ARE, good luck getting that fixed.
saladdin
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 7:12a
I wish I believed in God. Because I know HR people would go to hell if it existed.
sfvera
Happy Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 7:50a
OP, remember also that HR is in no rush to clear this up. However, the hiring manager may if he needs the role filled and is happy with you. If you have a way to communicate to him, I would inform him of the situation and what you are doing to clear this up. He may be able (depending on his position in the firm) to demand another check be done with a different firm.
DarthEnol
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 8:12a
mainomega said: One thing I've learned through all my life and countless jobs. Either large or small... the HR department is always the same. Pretty inept.
The weakest link, by far, in any organization in HR. Flame away, but it's where the flunkies gravitate to. What's scary is that they wield power, as witnessed by the OP, to disrupt one's life and livelihood.
Personally and professionally, I eliminate dealing with them as much as possible, i.e. deal directly with the hiring manager, project manager, etc. It might be bucking the chain of command, but cutting HR out seems to lead to less f**k ups.
ceobeaver
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 8:13a
saladdin said: I wish I believed in God. Because I know HR people would go to hell if it existed.
The irony is they are usually among the best paid employees in the company.
nsdp
Dismembered Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 11:44a
Arrest records are only as good as the data entry clerks. Garbage in garbage out. The only data base I ever trusted was the US Marshall's Service. I wound up on the TSA no fly list when they tied in to NCIC. Maybe I belonged there, some lazy cops think so. I was going to Montreal once on Court business and it took the Marshall's service 3 days to get my boarding pass straight. When NCIC shows a criminal history for one of the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals Judges( Hispanic but not a common Hispanic name) that tells you a lot about how much garbage is in the criminal files.
Why any employer is dumb enough to trust those data bases I'll never know. Maybe it says something about management in American business.
smbbalt
New Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 1:42p
I had an incident when I first joined my current company. The geniuses who ran my background check reported back that I was 'On Probation', a very different meaning than the reality and a fireable offence to the new company. I had to do all the legwork to prove my innocence. When I questioned how to get the verifiers to fix the info on me, I was told that I can pay them to run a background check on me and then show them what they got wrong when I get it back.
What actually happened to me -- I live in MD, a state where you can get PBJ, Probation Before Judgement for a speeding ticket -- ie, if you were caught speeding and have a good record, the judge can give you PBJ. You get no points and pay only court costs, but should it happen again soon, they will not be as lenient. Whoever did the background check saw the word probation and could not differentiate this regularly occuring incident in this state with an actual criminal offense. I contacted the courthouse and was told that the court no longer had it in their records as PBJ is like 'innocent' to them, had to get official documentation for the Motor Vehicle Association stating that they date they claimed I was on probation matched exactly with MVA records for my PBJ.
markbyte
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 7:39p
HR can simply overlook it if you can write them a letter stating that it is not you. Contest it in writing to the company and provide proof that it could not be you. That should be sufficient. The HR person can override anything they want. It's entirely irrelevant what the report says if what it says is not true. You can't be penalized for something that is not factual provided that you can prove it is not factual.
Crazytree
Senior Member - 9K
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 8:28p
The only correct answer here is to write a validation letter.
The clock is ticking.
R4M0N
Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 9:33p
smbbalt said: What actually happened to me -- I live in MD, a state where you can get PBJ, Probation Before Judgement for a speeding ticket
I'm glad you cleared that up, because I was starting to wonder why the hell MD was giving out Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches...
saladdin
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 7, 2012 @ 9:49p
markbyte said: HR can simply overlook it if you can write them a letter stating that it is not you. Contest it in writing to the company and provide proof that it could not be you. That should be sufficient. The HR person can override anything they want. It's entirely irrelevant what the report says if what it says is not true. You can't be penalized for something that is not factual provided that you can prove it is not factual.
HR would never, ever do that. First, it makes too much sense. Second, their first thought is protection. They would never do anything that opened them or the company to a lawsuit no matter the odds. They would never take the chance to ok a hiring of someone whose background check did not come back clean. HR people truly stifle common sense thinking and retard growth. HR is actually anti-employee in all aspects, bar none.
dirtrat
Ancient Member
posted: Sep. 8, 2012 @ 5:19a
I'm a little confused here. This isn't a credit report but a background check that shows past criminal history. How does the FCRA apply in this case?
Muffinhead80 said: You are protected with the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA). See this link for your options.
codename47
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Sep. 8, 2012 @ 5:00p
dirtrat, There are many, many, many different types of reports and such that are covered by the FCRA. Everyone knows about the big 3, but you have check reporting companies, most background check companies, insurance CLUE reporting companies,etc.
If a company assembles for resale of credit information or other information on consumers they are a CRA. Read the law. It doesn't matter if they come from public records or otherwise. That link posted might be a good place to start.
MidnightLight
Senior Member
posted: Sep. 9, 2012 @ 2:01a
dirtrat said: I'm a little confused here. This isn't a credit report but a background check that shows past criminal history. How does the FCRA apply in this case?
Muffinhead80 said: You are protected with the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA). See this link for your options. The name of a legislative statute is often little more than just a marketing term. Just because this law is named the "Fair Credit Reporting Act" doesn't mean that it only deals with credit reports. On the contrary, it actually covers a fairly broad range of consumer reporting agencies.
joedaddy123
Broke Member
posted: Sep. 9, 2012 @ 6:31p
FYI...
theworknumber.com was used by my current employer for my background check. They called my old employer to verify. But since it's a major corporation with a 1-800 verification line, there was a hold time. I found out that they didn't hold and just informed my current employer that I never worked there. I pulled a theworknumber.com report for history, my old employer was in my employment history.
My old employer provided my new employer with a typed letter informing them of my previous employment.
I would call the agency that shows the criminal record and see if you can get a written letter saying your record is clean..
StevenColorado
Stand up guy
posted: Sep. 9, 2012 @ 9:06p
ceobeaver said: saladdin said: I wish I believed in God. Because I know HR people would go to hell if it existed.
The irony is they are usually among the best paid employees in the company.
The Golden Rule. He who makes the rules, ends up with the gold.
OP, your problem is that you're dealing with HR and some third party verification system, neither of whom cares if you get hired or not. The hiring manager is the only one who cares if you get hired or not. Bring him/her into the party with the following letter:
Dear <Hiring Manager>: I am looking forward to working with you as soon as possible. However, the verification agency used by HR has botched up their report and confused me with someone twenty years older than I. Could I have a meeting with you and the HR rep so we can figure out how to clear up the agency's mistake and get me onboard ASAP?
The meeting should consist of thew hiring manager telling the HR rep to fix the mistake and do it NOW.
Mickie3
Ancient Member
posted: Sep. 9, 2012 @ 9:24p
StevenColorado said: ceobeaver said: saladdin said: I wish I believed in God. Because I know HR people would go to hell if it existed.
The irony is they are usually among the best paid employees in the company.
The Golden Rule. He who makes the rules, ends up with the gold.
OP, your problem is that you're dealing with HR and some third party verification system, neither of whom cares if you get hired or not. The hiring manager is the only one who cares if you get hired or not. Bring him/her into the party with the following letter:
Dear <Hiring Manager>: I am looking forward to working with you as soon as possible. However, the verification agency used by HR has botched up their report and confused me with someone twenty years older than I. Could I have a meeting with you and the HR rep so we can figure out how to clear up the agency's mistake and get me onboard ASAP?
The meeting should consist of thew hiring manager telling the HR rep to fix the mistake and do it NOW.
Never worked in a major corp, have you? The HR person would: a) never attend the meeting or b) tell the hiring manager to pound sand
HR departments are notoriously independent and the head of that area usually reports to the SEVP or CEO. They are more interested in keeping labor costs low than anything else.
OP should use the FCRA route to get this resolved in a hurry.
marketingmike
Cranky Member
posted: Sep. 9, 2012 @ 10:29p
dirtrat said: I'm a little confused here. This isn't a credit report but a background check that shows past criminal history. How does the FCRA apply in this case?
Muffinhead80 said: You are protected with the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA). See this link for your options.
A report is covered by the FCRA if it's used in making a decision whether to grant credit, issue insurance or to extend an offer of employment. It's not the type of report so much as the use to which it's put.
JBoskins
New Member
posted: Sep. 10, 2012 @ 4:19a
I would like to thank everybody for their response. Someone in the HR verification agency had a brain after all and had the criminal case removed. If this would have dragged on any longer, I would have definitely hired an attorney and would have filed a dispute with the FCRA.
Thanks again for the support!
codename47
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Sep. 10, 2012 @ 1:11p
FYI, you still may have some recourse under the FCRA. I read several cases of this nature where people were flagged as money laundering suspects when they were not and so forth. I would personally want to be very sure that whatever the "mistake" was is fixed for good, lest we see a repeat of this thread in 6 months when you try to buy a car or are evaluated for a promotion, pulled over by the cops, etc...
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