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nsdp said:   Technologist if you are as ancient as you claim what was Arlo sent to the Group W bench for? "You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant exceptin Alice".

I believe you'll have to refer to the twenty-seven 8x10 color glossy photographs for that information.

nsdp said:   Crazytree said:   hebron1427 said:   a lot of this sounds like petty theft, not FWF techniques...but, then again...huehuehuehue I am not sure FW techniques are always just petty. Sometimes they are grand.

We should pitch in to put you on retainer. You'll get paid with small lots of gift cards, of course

nsdp said:   DamnoIT said:   One time in jail the arses who got me in would not pick up my collect calls to get bailed out so I found that when the dumbo operator system asked to press 1 to connect I could do it from originating line. I called them all day, and when it hit voicemail I left messages. I didn't get rich but they got a nice karma kick in the behind on their phone bill. In the end I think they would have saved cash to come and get me after the 20 or so calls they got at $5 each.

Your friends were just trying to keep you from being drafted. Just like Arlo Guthrie you would have been sent to the Group W bench. Technologist if you are as ancient as you claim what was Arlo sent to the Group W bench for? "You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant exceptin Alice".
Littering on Thanksgiving.

longwood8 said:   AOL had a credit card that earned points toward free AOL service. It also had free balance transfers that posted and earned points as purchases.

That's right, I didn't pay a penny to talk to your momma in the AOL chat rooms at 56k plus got an extra month of float. Suck on THAT!!!!


thats lame. it was much easier to get free aol just by asking people in chat rooms for their passwords. 1 out of 10 would give it to you. lol

$250 compusa gift card for AOL signups

/thread

I dont understand how most of you were using the online casino bonuses to make thousands (multiple accounts always seemed to earn a call or getting blocked), but I made $35k in 1 month (actually $50k but they wouldn't give me the other $15k) by changing my bets, right before the govt shut down the whole online casino thing. heh, they fixed it though, I tried to do it in Europe but it didn't work anymore...
i had about 2-3 ways to actually change my bets, but in the whole process I also learned a way to actually beat the online casinos while taking notes during the whole thing.. sucks that there is no real safe online casino these days... they can just say they wont give you the money these days..

Technologist said:   secstate said:   miggitymike said:   In my high school circa early 90's there was a pay phone that if you put a paper clip between the center of the microphone and a little spot on the box while you dialed you could make free calls. NOt sure why it worked, but someone showed me and I never paid for a call after that.

This is why that trick worked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_start .


Now I feel REALLY old.

That reminds me (waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaY) back when everyone used to have to PAY for long distance. I remember when people used to wait until after 5, or 7, or 11 PM to make LD calls (because the rates were cheaper). Hard to believe that life (and technology) has changed that much (and changed our lives that much). Heck, most of my work related phone calls are long distance now.

But, back on topic... I remember having the overnight (and sometimes weekend) duty in the military (CQ for those IN the know, OD or OOD for the Officers). Most of the phones in the enlisted barracks were WOD (With Out Dial), which was the Department of Defense's way of keeping people from making personal calls. *And yes, these were rotary phones, with the dial portion removed. Anyways, because of my training and background before entering the service, I knew that all the dial did was make and break ground. Dialing "1" made and broke ground 1 time; "9" did it 9 times. And at the time, dialing ZERO (also called O or OH!) made/broke ground 10 times. Thus connecting you with an operator... which you could then talk into dialing a long distance number for you (not saying anymore). But I know people that were on the phone for hours, with family in another state. But I would say adding a fringe benefit of LD to military service (when LD was dollars per minute) is ballsy, if not Original OG!!!

PS, lower numbers were easier / quicker to dial, which is why BIG Metro area codes start with 2 (Washington was 202, just outside DC was 301). NY was 212... Philly was 215, Dallas was 214, San Antonio was 210, but all of Alaska is 907.

Also, Does dialing zero still connect to an operator??? LOL


That totally makes sense why area codes don't increase geographically like zip codes or highway numbers! Thanks!

actually, it doesn't make sense at all. BIG digits took longer to "dial" even when phones went to PULSE. 212 for New York would have been extremely quick, but 202 to DC wouldn't have been any faster than 444.

the fact is, when the system was implemented, it was done by call volume and there wasn't huge call volume to DC (or to CT - 203) to justify coming earlier.






lotusgardener said:   Technologist said:   secstate said:   miggitymike said:   In my high school circa early 90's there was a pay phone that if you put a paper clip between the center of the microphone and a little spot on the box while you dialed you could make free calls. NOt sure why it worked, but someone showed me and I never paid for a call after that.

This is why that trick worked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_start .


Now I feel REALLY old.

That reminds me (waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaY) back when everyone used to have to PAY for long distance. I remember when people used to wait until after 5, or 7, or 11 PM to make LD calls (because the rates were cheaper). Hard to believe that life (and technology) has changed that much (and changed our lives that much). Heck, most of my work related phone calls are long distance now.

But, back on topic... I remember having the overnight (and sometimes weekend) duty in the military (CQ for those IN the know, OD or OOD for the Officers). Most of the phones in the enlisted barracks were WOD (With Out Dial), which was the Department of Defense's way of keeping people from making personal calls. *And yes, these were rotary phones, with the dial portion removed. Anyways, because of my training and background before entering the service, I knew that all the dial did was make and break ground. Dialing "1" made and broke ground 1 time; "9" did it 9 times. And at the time, dialing ZERO (also called O or OH!) made/broke ground 10 times. Thus connecting you with an operator... which you could then talk into dialing a long distance number for you (not saying anymore). But I know people that were on the phone for hours, with family in another state. But I would say adding a fringe benefit of LD to military service (when LD was dollars per minute) is ballsy, if not Original OG!!!

PS, lower numbers were easier / quicker to dial, which is why BIG Metro area codes start with 2 (Washington was 202, just outside DC was 301). NY was 212... Philly was 215, Dallas was 214, San Antonio was 210, but all of Alaska is 907.

Also, Does dialing zero still connect to an operator??? LOL


That totally makes sense why area codes don't increase geographically like zip codes or highway numbers! Thanks!

I really do miss BMG. At one time I must have had 7 or 8 "roommates" somewhere in the churn cycle, all of whom had been recommended by other roommates for the referral CDs. You could end up getting 16? 18? CDs for the price of 1. They all lived up to the terms of their agreement.

I've read how some of you sold CDs back to CD stores, but despite BMG's not-unlimited selection I never ran out of CDs I wanted. It was pretty impressive to have 1200 CDs, every album by (pick your artist) etc.

Technologist said:   
That reminds me (waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaY) back when everyone used to have to PAY for long distance. I remember when people used to wait until after 5, or 7, or 11 PM to make LD calls (because the rates were cheaper). Hard to believe that life (and technology) has changed that much (and changed our lives that much). Heck, most of my work related phone calls are long distance now.


Yeah, before the Bell breakup in the 1980s, rates were something like 35 cents per minute daytime, 25 evening, 20 night/weekend.
Can you imagine paying 7x as much for daytime long distance (in 1975 dollars) as you'd pay now for cellular long distance from Tracfone etc (in 2013 dollars)?

theeipi said:   actually, it doesn't make sense at all. BIG digits took longer to "dial" even when phones went to PULSE. 212 for New York would have been extremely quick, but 202 to DC wouldn't have been any faster than 444.

the fact is, when the system was implemented, it was done by call volume and there wasn't huge call volume to DC (or to CT - 203) to justify coming earlier.



You have to remember the old rules about area codes which back in the day were all x1x or x0x. You could not have had an area code that was say 252 or 444 as only 1 and 0 were allowed as the middle digit. It would have had to have been 202 or 212 or 404 or 414 and so on. So 202 and 203 were more diserable at the time than they would appear today. I cannot remember when the change went in on area codes to allow other than 1 and 0 middle digits but it was probably the late 80s or early 90s but well past the dial days in any case. The story I have always heard on area codes was that the "better" area codes went to those locations that had a larger number of ATT executives and thus were not strictly given out on call volume or population which I am pretty sure is apocryphal but a neat story.

Find a dusty set of the Bell System Technical Journals for an explanation.

og? old goats talking about bell phones and long distance n stuff.

olvrtw said:   og? old goats talking about bell phones and long distance n stuff.

LD manipulation and other phone phreaking WERE the OG, before the internet was a publically consumable product.

When I was barely a teen, I talked my parents into letting me get (and pay for) my own phone line. This was back when kids used the kitchen phone to talk to their girl/boyfriend, until their parents yelled get off the phone (no call waiting, or voicemail).

I hooked mine up to my computer, and had a BBS (Bulletin Board System), where people called MY computer, played a game or left someone a message, or downloaded poorly drawn cartoon porn, then hung up. I had HUNDREDS of users that paid 3 or 5 bucks a month to call my computer.

One person at a time on the line, crappy dowloads.... and my phone was ALWAYS busy. That's $$$$$

Even better was the first simple program I wrote.... which I sold for 10 bucks a pop. and no troubleshooting checks or fancy routines... All it did was monitor a modem, detect incoming call, wait for a message to be left on your answering machine TAPE recorder, then wait 2 minutes and call your office number, or pager, or if you had one, Cellular phone. It didn't leave a message or anything, just made the call. You recognized that YOUR computer called you and then you called your ANSWERING machine, to remotely check your messages (which SOMETIMES weren't there, because my program didn't check to make sure a message was left, just that your home phone RANG).

I used all the money from the above to build all my computers.... after my Commodore 64/128, I built my own until sometime after 2001... some 15-20 years.

SO yeah, I'll talk about phones and LD all day long. LD in the military probably paid my bar tab for 4 years!!!

Technologist said:   olvrtw said:   og? old goats talking about bell phones and long distance n stuff.

LD manipulation and other phone phreaking WERE the OG, before the internet was a publically consumable product.

When I was barely a teen, I talked my parents into letting me get (and pay for) my own phone line. This was back when kids used the kitchen phone to talk to their girl/boyfriend, until their parents yelled get off the phone (no call waiting, or voicemail).

I hooked mine up to my computer, and had a BBS (Bulletin Board System), where people called MY computer, played a game or left someone a message, or downloaded poorly drawn cartoon porn, then hung up. I had HUNDREDS of users that paid 3 or 5 bucks a month to call my computer.

One person at a time on the line, crappy dowloads.... and my phone was ALWAYS busy. That's $$$$$

Even better was the first simple program I wrote.... which I sold for 10 bucks a pop. and no troubleshooting checks or fancy routines... All it did was monitor a modem, detect incoming call, wait for a message to be left on your answering machine TAPE recorder, then wait 2 minutes and call your office number, or pager, or if you had one, Cellular phone. It didn't leave a message or anything, just made the call. You recognized that YOUR computer called you and then you called your ANSWERING machine, to remotely check your messages (which SOMETIMES weren't there, because my program didn't check to make sure a message was left, just that your home phone RANG).

I used all the money from the above to build all my computers.... after my Commodore 64/128, I built my own until sometime after 2001... some 15-20 years.

SO yeah, I'll talk about phones and LD all day long. LD in the military probably paid my bar tab for 4 years!!!


Oh schooled by the... OG

The ground the pay phone trick was demonstrated in the movie War Games.

In college I had cell service with Ameritech. I paid $3/month for call forwarding. You could forward your phone number to any phone ( including local toll calls which were even more expensive than out of state long distance calls) within their coverage area and not be billed for the call. I forwarded my phone to my fraternity house. When someone called it would ring once and I knew to go to the house phone. My parents and friends could call me any time for free because my cell phone was a local number to them.

I tried phone phreaking but never had much success with it. I even purchased a "record your own message " greeting card and recorded the tones of deposited coins. Problem was all the payphones around me were newer and disabled the microphone until a call was connected.

More dubious - a friend and I would buy Compuserve (remember them?) starter packs at Target. We would carefully open them, take out the username and password then return the box. The username and password would give you 2 free weeks of compuserve. We would then dial up with our 300 bps modems and chat in the CB rooms.

5 minutes ago, I believed my AllAdvantage shenanigans were pretty OG. ($150ish over 3 months)... but after reading this thread, I'm almost embarrassed to post such a (relatively) recent activity. :p

Technologist said:   olvrtw said:   og? old goats talking about bell phones and long distance n stuff.

LD manipulation and other phone phreaking WERE the OG, before the internet was a publically consumable product.

When I was barely a teen, I talked my parents into letting me get (and pay for) my own phone line. This was back when kids used the kitchen phone to talk to their girl/boyfriend, until their parents yelled get off the phone (no call waiting, or voicemail).

I hooked mine up to my computer, and had a BBS (Bulletin Board System), where people called MY computer, played a game or left someone a message, or downloaded poorly drawn cartoon porn, then hung up. I had HUNDREDS of users that paid 3 or 5 bucks a month to call my computer.

One person at a time on the line, crappy dowloads.... and my phone was ALWAYS busy. That's $$$$$

Even better was the first simple program I wrote.... which I sold for 10 bucks a pop. and no troubleshooting checks or fancy routines... All it did was monitor a modem, detect incoming call, wait for a message to be left on your answering machine TAPE recorder, then wait 2 minutes and call your office number, or pager, or if you had one, Cellular phone. It didn't leave a message or anything, just made the call. You recognized that YOUR computer called you and then you called your ANSWERING machine, to remotely check your messages (which SOMETIMES weren't there, because my program didn't check to make sure a message was left, just that your home phone RANG).

I used all the money from the above to build all my computers.... after my Commodore 64/128, I built my own until sometime after 2001... some 15-20 years.

SO yeah, I'll talk about phones and LD all day long. LD in the military probably paid my bar tab for 4 years!!!



That's fricckin OG for sure.

I was always fascinated with those stuff, wish I knew you back in the day to pick your brain!

Technologist said:   olvrtw said:   og? old goats talking about bell phones and long distance n stuff.

LD manipulation and other phone phreaking WERE the OG, before the internet was a publically consumable product.

When I was barely a teen, I talked my parents into letting me get (and pay for) my own phone line. This was back when kids used the kitchen phone to talk to their girl/boyfriend, until their parents yelled get off the phone (no call waiting, or voicemail).

I hooked mine up to my computer, and had a BBS (Bulletin Board System), where people called MY computer, played a game or left someone a message, or downloaded poorly drawn cartoon porn, then hung up. I had HUNDREDS of users that paid 3 or 5 bucks a month to call my computer.

One person at a time on the line, crappy dowloads.... and my phone was ALWAYS busy. That's $$$$$

Even better was the first simple program I wrote.... which I sold for 10 bucks a pop. and no troubleshooting checks or fancy routines... All it did was monitor a modem, detect incoming call, wait for a message to be left on your answering machine TAPE recorder, then wait 2 minutes and call your office number, or pager, or if you had one, Cellular phone. It didn't leave a message or anything, just made the call. You recognized that YOUR computer called you and then you called your ANSWERING machine, to remotely check your messages (which SOMETIMES weren't there, because my program didn't check to make sure a message was left, just that your home phone RANG).

I used all the money from the above to build all my computers.... after my Commodore 64/128, I built my own until sometime after 2001... some 15-20 years.

SO yeah, I'll talk about phones and LD all day long. LD in the military probably paid my bar tab for 4 years!!!

Cool. Curious - how did people pay you the $3 to $5 a month? Check in the mail?
I remember dialing local BBS's back in high school in the late '80s, but I only dialed free ones, of which there were plenty.

back then people would have no problem sending cash in the mail, lol.

olvrtw said:   back then people would have no problem sending cash in the mail, lol.

Wrap a tenner or twenty in 1 sheet of paper, then in an envelope. Pay multiple months (in advance) and I threw in extra months, or bumped priority (how long you could stay online without getting bumped off... or how many porn pics you could grab without uploading!).

I only started charging to help defray the cost of the computer and phone line. Heck, my FIRST hard drive was an external 20 MB (Yes, 20 Megabyte) hooked up to my COmmodore (when they only prevoiusly used cassette tapes!). That drive cost me OVER $700! But it made my BBS one of the best in the area (MULTI STATE!!!).

I recognized computer profitability early on. Talked my best friend into spending $999 on a computer (no monitor) for his 4 year old (and $999 was a deal I MADE, by buying 20 systems direct from the manufacturer). I sold the other 19 (plus got 1 free for me) to other friends and co-workers. Then spent time teaching friend's son TONS. Flash forward 14,15 years, the guy is network admin for a small biz with 4 locations, and makes 6 figures! Friend thanks me everytime he sees me!!! And this is 5 or more years ago....

all good fun (and money)...

I once had a Radio Shack touch tone dialer that I could use on pulse dial phones, to check my answering machine and such
i also used zmodem leech protocol to download gifs very epic.

Back in the mid 90s, there was a coupon for Columbia House CDs:

$5 for 5 CDs, no shipping and no obligation.

Apparently the coupon came in a CD player, but it got out on the internet and you could use a photocopy of the coupon and CH never questioned it.

I must have churned this deal over 100 times; I had every CD I wanted from the CH catalog... then I started selling them at the CD exchanges (2-4 dollar profit depending on how popular the CD was). There were days when I would get 5 packages of CDs in the mail at the time; the only limit was that CH would only let you have 5 open accounts per address.

I still have some of those CDs!

secstate said:   miggitymike said:   In my high school circa early 90's there was a pay phone that if you put a paper clip between the center of the microphone and a little spot on the box while you dialed you could make free calls. NOt sure why it worked, but someone showed me and I never paid for a call after that.

This is why that trick worked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_start .



Is that you Kevin?

olvrtw said:   og? old goats talking about bell phones and long distance n stuff.

Haven't you seen Hackers?

I don't remember the year but I got enough Qool Coins (surfin the web and referring) to redeem for a sega dreamcast from Qool.com (+ a lot of Qool.com t-shirts)

i think this was 2005 or 2006, Citibank had two cards with 0% balance transfer for life with 2 purchase per month.
consolidated all the Citi Cards from AOR to this card, still carrying $70K+ at 0%, paying the min. each month and making 2 copies at Staples each month.

don't think I will ever pay it back in full at the going rate.
just moving the money around earning interest elsewhere.

only wished I had more credit to consolidate.

those were the good days.

the Citi Credit Protection for $100 gas was sweet too.
going to Costco Gas late and hitting the receipt reprint button was a gold mine each night

didNOTsearch said:   i think this was 2005 or 2006, Citibank had two cards with 0% balance transfer for life with 2 purchase per month.
consolidated all the Citi Cards from AOR to this card, still carrying $70K+ at 0%, paying the min. each month and making 2 copies at Staples each month.

don't think I will ever pay it back in full at the going rate.
just moving the money around earning interest elsewhere.

only wished I had more credit to consolidate.

those were the good days.

the Citi Credit Protection for $100 gas was sweet too.
going to Costco Gas late and hitting the receipt reprint button was a gold mine each night


I wish I've done more during that time. I still have a measly 4 digit balance under this 0% for life promo.
FYI, you might not have to make those 2 purchases anymore. I don't have proof with me and can't remember details, but I believe Citi sent a letter out stating you don't have to make purchases anymore in order to maintain 0% for life. But I can't remember 100% because during same time, Discover did the same thing (and I have a smaller balance for Discover's 0% for life).

In either case, I haven't made any monthly small purchases on both cards, and have't been charged interest. And as icing, Citi doesn't even charge minimum finance charge!

As a kid in the early 80s, I used to play video games at place called Fat Daryl's. They featured double tokens (8 for $1). They also had a smaller branch in the student union at the local university, and I decided to see what happened if I put a token in the dollar to coin changer and pulled the lever. Well, holy shiit BatMan! It spit out a quarter! So my 10 or 11 year old self would get 8 tokens for a dollar at one place, and 25 cents for one token at the other. AAAWWWWW YYYEAHHHHH!

radiation said:   I don't remember the year but I got enough Qool Coins (surfin the web and referring) to redeem for a sega dreamcast from Qool.com (+ a lot of Qool.com t-shirts)

I have about 30 Qool.com shirts still sitting here...
Great site, til it folded...
Wonder if they delivered on the BMW that was offered??

HawkeyeNFO said:   As a kid in the early 80s, I used to play video games at place called Fat Daryl's. They featured double tokens (8 for $1). They also had a smaller branch in the student union at the local university, and I decided to see what happened if I put a token in the dollar to coin changer and pulled the lever. Well, holy shiit BatMan! It spit out a quarter! So my 10 or 11 year old self would get 8 tokens for a dollar at one place, and 25 cents for one token at the other. AAAWWWWW YYYEAHHHHH!

This reminds me of the folks changing $20 bills in the post office stamp machines to try and find an error dollar coin with george washington on it instead of sacagawea.

Anyone found the hack for glu coins on big time gangsta

Anyone remember the Chase BT checks that earned miles? Those were nice for a while.



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