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BEEFjerKAY said:   In many places, tickets are a form of tourism tax. And "connected attorney" full employment act.

The judges help fund the county, which keeps taxes low, which keeps the judges elected.

The attorneys help fund the judges' election campaigns, which keeps the judges elected.

A scam? Perhaps. Sanctioned bribery? Perhaps. Unavoidable and necessary? Absolutely.

They don't care about what the offense gets called. So long as your money is good.


This is *SO* true. I got a ticket for that exact same reason while in New Mexico. I was not speeding very much if any out on an open road. I could see the cop car coming toward me. When he passed me I saw him in my rear view mirror turn around and come give me a ticket. He was merely estimating that I was speeding. Since I live on the East Coast I could not very well come back there and fight the ticket. I had to decide right then and there whether to pay it or fight it. What a rip off! I decided I would never go back to New Mexico again and I haven't.

I gave ticketclinic a shot. Waiting to hear back from them. Will update when it gets resolved. Thanks for everyones suggestions and help.

gatzdon said:   To clarify "So long as your money is good AND an attorney is doing the talking."

That's exactly the way the game is played. Not just Crook County. "We don't want nobody nobody sent."

Had the same thing happen in Florida 10 years ago. I just paid the $250 and it was never reported back to CT. With no state income tax, I guess FL needs to do something for money. My only ticket ever.

UMMMMM. Can't you just pay $9 and do the traffic school online to get rid of the points?? http://www.floridaonlinetrafficschool.com/

BEEFjerKAY said:   Fight it. If for no reason other than you don't want a prior ticket the next time you get pulled over.

And while it hurts me to say it, if you have had your license for 48 years you are PAST your best days of driving.

Statistically, your likelihood of having another ticket will steadily increase for about the next 15 years. Depending on how you take care of yourself, it may or may not steepen its rate of increase after that.


BEEFjerKAY, come back when YOU'RE 65 (48+17) and see how you feel about that statement.

Al3xK said:   UMMMMM. Can't you just pay $9 and do the traffic school online to get rid of the points?? http://www.floridaonlinetrafficschool.com/

I'm pretty sure the school option is only for FLA residents.

maxfleischer said:   BEEFjerKAY, come back when YOU'RE 65 (48+17) and see how you feel about that statement.

You get me a Delorean and you've got a deal. Or maybe Superman to do that reverse the earth's spins thing.

edit: I was going to say I've got jackets older than that, but I think the oldest one in my closet is only 62. Hell, my favorite pair of puttering around boots is older than most folks here.

maxfleischer said:   Al3xK said:   UMMMMM. Can't you just pay $9 and do the traffic school online to get rid of the points?? http://www.floridaonlinetrafficschool.com/

I'm pretty sure the school option is only for FLA residents.


Nope. /Thread

I am not a resident of Florida and I got a ticket while visiting, can I still take this course?
Yes you can take this course. Once you have successfully completed the course you must submit your certificate to the Florida court location listed on the traffic ticket.

WTF. Welcome To Florida.
I've used Ticket Clinic twice. Once successfully. Good luck OP.

Al3xK said:   maxfleischer said:   Al3xK said:   UMMMMM. Can't you just pay $9 and do the traffic school online to get rid of the points?? http://www.floridaonlinetrafficschool.com/

I'm pretty sure the school option is only for FLA residents.


Nope. /Thread

I am not a resident of Florida and I got a ticket while visiting, can I still take this course?
Yes you can take this course. Once you have successfully completed the course you must submit your certificate to the Florida court location listed on the traffic ticket.

Read/Thread
MisterEd said:   BrentCan said:   Pay, they need the money. With respect to points, Florida offers class that you will need to pay for and take to have them waived. Not sure if they allow out of state to take them. You may want to google that. They waive the points in FL but the infraction remains the same (you have to plead no contest) so my guess is MY state (NJ) will still see it as a moving violation and still give me the 2 points they apply for out of state moving violations so there would be no advantage for me to do that.

BingBlangBlaow said:   Al3xK said:   maxfleischer said:   Al3xK said:   UMMMMM. Can't you just pay $9 and do the traffic school online to get rid of the points?? http://www.floridaonlinetrafficschool.com/

I'm pretty sure the school option is only for FLA residents.


Nope. /Thread

I am not a resident of Florida and I got a ticket while visiting, can I still take this course?
Yes you can take this course. Once you have successfully completed the course you must submit your certificate to the Florida court location listed on the traffic ticket.

Read/Thread
MisterEd said:   BrentCan said:   Pay, they need the money. With respect to points, Florida offers class that you will need to pay for and take to have them waived. Not sure if they allow out of state to take them. You may want to google that. They waive the points in FL but the infraction remains the same (you have to plead no contest) so my guess is MY state (NJ) will still see it as a moving violation and still give me the 2 points they apply for out of state moving violations so there would be no advantage for me to do that.


/Foot in mouth

BEEFjerKAY said:   In many places, tickets are a form of tourism tax. And "connected attorney" full employment act.

The judges help fund the county, which keeps taxes low, which keeps the judges elected.

The attorneys help fund the judges' election campaigns, which keeps the judges elected.

A scam? Perhaps. Sanctioned bribery? Perhaps. Unavoidable and necessary? Absolutely.

They don't care about what the offense gets called. So long as your money is good.

The Vegas PD used to do this back in the 70's. The tourists complained that they gave all their gambling money to the cops. The casinos relayed the message back to the Vegas PD. It probably went something like this. "Those are some real pretty police cars you got there. I would hate to see something happen to them. And those are some real pretty traffic cops..."

First, contest the ticket in FL. However, if unsuccessful or choose not to fight in FL and points do show up on NJ license. You can take six hours defensive driving course in NJ that will give a reduction of 2 points on NJ license and will also get you 5% mandatory discount on your auto insurance in NJ. The course should be NJMVC approved.

2 points for ANY moving violation??? What's the highest point moving violation that I can do that won't get me jail time for reckless driving (e.g. doing 105 in a 35) or puts kids in danger (e.g. passing a stopped schoolbus)?

BRB, heading out of state to do whatever that is immediately.

Here's a thought, maybe next time you will not speed while driving. Pay the ticket and the consequences.

Persecutor gonna HELP you? How much did you have to contribute to his/her campaign to become elected a judge? They are graded on getting CONVICTIONS, people!

I used to go to court when I lived in FL & would get out it by pleading no contest & my record showed clean, so I got out of several speeding ones and a few other ticks.

Pembroke Pines is in Broward County. Broward has some of the eiasiest tickets to get out of. I would pay an attorney. The Ticket Clinic works great, 1800Citation. Or I also Use Unger and Kowitt, they are also great. I have been using both services for the past 14 years and I have had over 20 tickets with GREAT success...

ianrusso said:   Pembroke Pines is in Broward County. Broward has some of the eiasiest tickets to get out of. I would pay an attorney. The Ticket Clinic works great, 1800Citation. Or I also Use Unger and Kowitt, they are also great. I have been using both services for the past 14 years and I have had over 20 tickets with GREAT success...

Now, how to monetize this ...

Al3xK said:   maxfleischer said:   Al3xK said:   UMMMMM. Can't you just pay $9 and do the traffic school online to get rid of the points?? http://www.floridaonlinetrafficschool.com/

I'm pretty sure the school option is only for FLA residents.


Nope. /Thread

I am not a resident of Florida and I got a ticket while visiting, can I still take this course?
Yes you can take this course. Once you have successfully completed the course you must submit your certificate to the Florida court location listed on the traffic ticket.
The "school" option does not help if you are from out of state. As stated 1 or 2 other times in this thread by taking the school option you must plead NO CONTEST (which is basically guilty). The remove the FLORIDA POINTS and you still pay the full fine but the moving violation still remains which means NJ will still apply their 2 points to your record due to out of state moving violation. They are NOT reducing the violation OR the fine, only removing FLORIDA points. So basically for an out of stater the school is a waste of time.

loomar said:   First, contest the ticket in FL. However, if unsuccessful or choose not to fight in FL and points do show up on NJ license. You can take six hours defensive driving course in NJ that will give a reduction of 2 points on NJ license and will also get you 5% mandatory discount on your auto insurance in NJ. The course should be NJMVC approved. It will reduce your NJ records points but as far as the INSURANCE COMPANY is concerned you still have a moving violation. Insurance companies don't care about "state points" they only care if you have had a violation and therefor INSURANCE POINTS. The school does not remove the violation from the NJ records, only your accrued state points.

MisterEd said:   Al3xK said:   maxfleischer said:   Al3xK said:   UMMMMM. Can't you just pay $9 and do the traffic school online to get rid of the points?? http://www.floridaonlinetrafficschool.com/

I'm pretty sure the school option is only for FLA residents.


Nope. /Thread

I am not a resident of Florida and I got a ticket while visiting, can I still take this course?
Yes you can take this course. Once you have successfully completed the course you must submit your certificate to the Florida court location listed on the traffic ticket.
The "school" option does not help if you are from out of state. As stated 1 or 2 other times in this thread by taking the school option you must plead NO CONTEST (which is basically guilty). The remove the FLORIDA POINTS and you still pay the full fine but the moving violation still remains which means NJ will still apply their 2 points to your record due to out of state moving violation. They are NOT reducing the violation OR the fine, only removing FLORIDA points. So basically for an out of stater the school is a waste of time.


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This reminds me of something happened to me about 10 years ago. I was travelling in Virginia on some isolated road and I got stopped for doing 57 on 55. I almost laughed at the cop but he seemed very serious and told me that in the state of virginia even if you are 1 mile ahead of the speed limit they will give you a ticket. He also said I am not guilty I can get it removed by talking to the court on phone.

After a few days I started getting mails from some attorneys in that area. For me I did not have option to go to another state to defend my ticket, so I contacted one of them and they told me there are only 3 judges in the county and one of them is very easy going and they will get continuation till the judge shows up and then they will get it dismissed (for $120).

Finally they did not do a squat and I still had the pay 120 + the court cost + fine. Then I called the attorneys and asked them what happened to the promise. They told me that the judge was angry because I did not show up and did not give continuation.

These frauds!

My "trial date" is March 27th. Got "TicketClinic" dot com representing me. They have been very responsive so far to my questions. Fee was $79 (plus any court costs or fines levied). They said if I get any points they will refund my fee. Over the last couple weeks I have received at least 2 dozen "brochures" from various "ticket lawyers" down in FL. Must be quite a deal going between the courts and the lawyers down there.

I'm originally from NJ, but live in Miami now. I've been really surprised from conversations with friends down here in south florida -- every one of them reports that with any ticket they've had, paying a lawyer (generally ticket clinic) worked 100%, with no hassle at all. Some even had somewhat serious tickets (100+). Down here it really seems to be connected-lawyers having a deal with the courts ...

I wouldn't worry about it too much now that you've hired them.

Knock on wood, I haven't had any tickets of my own since I moved to Florida, and I've got a pretty bad lead-foot. NJ is way way worse about getting pulled over for any infraction.

A key difference here, however -- Cops are very strict on local roads, but very relaxed on the highways. In NJ it's pretty strict in both places, maybe moreso on the highways. Here, it's pretty common for people to drive >100 on I-95 in southern miami-dade county on a friday/saturday night.

That said, I would not chance driving 38MPH in Golden Beach on A1A (speed limit 35), as they would probably pull you over for that. Get your rocks off on the highways.

FYI.. I got a speeding ticket in VA two years ago.. and the points didnt transfer to my home state.. NJ.
No insurance hikes.. just had to pay the VA fine online.

khakuda said:   Had the same thing happen in Florida 10 years ago. I just paid the $250 and it was never reported back to CT. With no state income tax, I guess FL needs to do something for money. My only ticket ever.

Do you really think nothing's changed in 10 years and they still do not pass the traffic violation information between states? Hate to rain on your parade, but...

Reminor said:   khakuda said:   Had the same thing happen in Florida 10 years ago. I just paid the $250 and it was never reported back to CT. With no state income tax, I guess FL needs to do something for money. My only ticket ever.

Do you really think nothing's changed in 10 years and they still do not pass the traffic violation information between states? Hate to rain on your parade, but...
Hate to rain on your parade... but some states do not pass traffic violation information between states.
Like I said in my post above yours, I got a ticket in VA in July 2011.. and it was not reported to NJ. I paid the VA fine online, and then nothing. No points on my NJ license, no change in my insurance rates.

zimaman said:   I'm originally from NJ, but live in Miami now. I've been really surprised from conversations with friends down here in south florida -- every one of them reports that with any ticket they've had, paying a lawyer (generally ticket clinic) worked 100%, with no hassle at all. Some even had somewhat serious tickets (100+). Down here it really seems to be connected-lawyers having a deal with the courts ...

I wouldn't worry about it too much now that you've hired them.

Knock on wood, I haven't had any tickets of my own since I moved to Florida, and I've got a pretty bad lead-foot. NJ is way way worse about getting pulled over for any infraction.

A key difference here, however -- Cops are very strict on local roads, but very relaxed on the highways. In NJ it's pretty strict in both places, maybe moreso on the highways. Here, it's pretty common for people to drive >100 on I-95 in southern miami-dade county on a friday/saturday night.

That said, I would not chance driving 38MPH in Golden Beach on A1A (speed limit 35), as they would probably pull you over for that. Get your rocks off on the highways.

Nothing beats a Miami freeway drive in an exotic car

KayK said:   FYI.. I got a speeding ticket in VA two years ago.. and the points didnt transfer to my home state.. NJ.
No insurance hikes.. just had to pay the VA fine online.
If your ticket was from one of those "hidden radar" systems where they MAIL you the ticket there is never any points even if you live in VA and get one. It's like the red-light cameras here in NJ, they send you a ticket by mail but you get no points because they "don't know" who the driver is. I can assure you VA does have reciprocity with NJ. My daughter can vouch for that (that is if you are actually stopped by a cop and handed a ticket).

Edit: It is possible your "points" slipped through the cracks, but there is definitely reciprocity between VA & NJ (and MD, DC, DE as well).

Virginia doesn't have "hidden radar" systems or speed cameras.

NEDeals said:   Virginia doesn't have "hidden radar" systems or speed cameras. Sorry, I was thinking of MD for the hidden speed cameras on US95 which mails you a $40 speeding ticket with no points, however my daughter did get a VA ticket while attending grad-school at UVA and it most definitely added 2 points to her NJ record. Never said VA had red-light cameras, was using that as an example of a "no-point" ticket here in NJ.

http://www.carinsurance.com/kb/content26407.aspx

MisterEd said:   KayK said:   FYI.. I got a speeding ticket in VA two years ago.. and the points didnt transfer to my home state.. NJ.
No insurance hikes.. just had to pay the VA fine online.
If your ticket was from one of those "hidden radar" systems where they MAIL you the ticket there is never any points even if you live in VA and get one. It's like the red-light cameras here in NJ, they send you a ticket by mail but you get no points because they "don't know" who the driver is. I can assure you VA does have reciprocity with NJ. My daughter can vouch for that (that is if you are actually stopped by a cop and handed a ticket).

Edit: It is possible your "points" slipped through the cracks, but there is definitely reciprocity between VA & NJ (and MD, DC, DE as well).
I actually got the ticket handed to me by the cop on Rt 81.. so maybe the points slipped through the cracks?

MisterEd said:   BrentCan said:   Pay, they need the money. With respect to points, Florida offers class that you will need to pay for and take to have them waived. Not sure if they allow out of state to take them. You may want to google that. They waive the points in FL but the infraction remains the same (you have to plead no contest) so my guess is MY state (NJ) will still see it as a moving violation and still give me the 2 points they apply for out of state moving violations so there would be no advantage for me to do that.

The way it works in florida is you plead no contest, you complete the (online) driving course in time, submit paperwork and the judgement is withheld.

NJ shouldn't issue points for a withhold since you are never found guilty by a florida court, but stranger things have happened.

MisterEd said:   NEDeals said:   Virginia doesn't have "hidden radar" systems or speed cameras. Sorry, I was thinking of MD for the hidden speed cameras on US95 which mails you a $40 speeding ticket with no points, however my daughter did get a VA ticket while attending grad-school at UVA and it most definitely added 2 points to her NJ record. Never said VA had red-light cameras, was using that as an example of a "no-point" ticket here in NJ.

Virginia does have red light cameras, but we were talking about speeding.

Earlier you said if your ticket was from one of those "hidden radar" systems where they MAIL you the ticket there is never any points even if you live in VA and get one so that is what I was referring to. If you get a speeding ticket in Virginia, the officer will hand it to you on the spot, there is nothing "hidden." It would be expected for a guilty ticket to be forwarded home to New Jersey, but certainly not guaranteed.

Maryland allows speed cameras on freeways, but only in designated construction zones. (You probably meant I-95, there is such a zone currently around Baltimore). I believe they allow a 12 mph grace. But you're right, these automated tickets do not incur license points, in state or out of state.

OK, after "retaining" the TICKET CLINIC for the speeding ticket I received in Florida back in January (I am a NJ resident) the case was finally settled. The result was:

05/07/2013 Disposition: Convicted by Plea - Adjudication Withheld Fine = $180

As written in the first post of this thread I was ticketed for 58 in a 45 back in January. The fine on the ticket itself said $205. So it seems I got a $25 discount for my $79 fee to the TICKET CLINIC plus an "adjudication withheld" whatever that means.

LOL, Did I "win" anything other than a $25 discount for the $79 fee? Will this still go on to my NJ driving record? I Googled the conviction result but it really wasn't clear on how it will affect my NJ driving record which has been clean for 49 years (that was my first ever moving violation) since I was licensed at 17yrs old back in the old days of the mid '60's.

It seems better than non-withheld adjudication if I was living in FL (I'd get no points) but not sure what it does for me here in NJ. Can I say I didn't get any tickets next time I fill out my insurance renewal?

I'm not sure how it will impact you in NJ, but in FL that means no points and your insurance will not go up.

cruisencode said:   I'm not sure how it will impact you in NJ, but in FL that means no points and your insurance will not go up. Yea, that I figured from what I Googled but if they send it to NJ anyway the $80 was a waste of money.

Is there an option to get points waived if you take a remedial class? If yes, then there are online classes you can take.



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