Nonetheless - OptionsHouse has a pretty cheap platform to buy options (especially compared to places like ETrade or Scottrade) - and only a $5-10k minimum + 15 trades to get these bonuses.
majorlag
Happy Member
posted: Feb. 10, 2013 @ 6:42p
I'm interested in the Nexus 7 deal but I can't seem to find the link on FW or Google search. If it is still available, can someone please post it. Thanks!
this is an xbox 360. I read the entire announcement, saw "360" no where, and thought, "surely they're not that out of touch..." so I clicked the link to check.
joe55555
Member
posted: Feb. 12, 2013 @ 1:08p
I wonder what size storage the nexus is? Also it looks likes you need to leave the 10,000 in for 180 days, im not sure if you can withdrawl most of it and just leave the account open till you pass 180.
majorlag
Happy Member
posted: Feb. 12, 2013 @ 2:07p
Thanks for the Nexus link. I already sent them an email but would like to ask here too.
If I fund my account with $10,000 and if my value of the stocks I purchase make my account less than $10,000 that won't void my promotion right? It is only when I withdrawal the cash and pushes the initial deposit less than $10,000 would disqualify it right? Thanks.
NoBoB
Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 11:32a
To describe a user in violation of the funding terms, the fine print at the bottom of the page specifically uses the wording "closed their account or withdrawn assets below the minimum qualifying funding level within 180 days of original funding date". No mention is made of normal market fluctuations (which wouldn't be fair anyway). It never says anything like 'must maintain a minimum balance of...'
As long as you don't withdraw, you're fine. If you do make withdrawals, you'd be risking having the account balance go below 10k before the 180 days are up. It would suck to have a $3000 profit in your account and withdraw $2000, only to have a market downdraft on day 179 pull you below 10k and void your Nexus.
majorlag
Happy Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 12:09p
NoBoB said: To describe a user in violation of the funding terms, the fine print at the bottom of the page specifically uses the wording "closed their account or withdrawn assets below the minimum qualifying funding level within 180 days of original funding date". No mention is made of normal market fluctuations (which wouldn't be fair anyway). It never says anything like 'must maintain a minimum balance of...'
As long as you don't withdraw, you're fine. If you do make withdrawals, you'd be risking having the account balance go below 10k before the 180 days are up. It would suck to have a $3000 profit in your account and withdraw $2000, only to have a market downdraft on day 179 pull you below 10k and void your Nexus.
Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks!
avalon6
Senior Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 12:47p
The 100 free trades offer is a much better deal. Just $5000 min to open and no requirement to keep account open after that. For the xbox or nexus 7 deal, you have to spend at least $75 on the 15 required commission trades, fund your account with $10000 and keep it open for 6 months.
rpi1967
Serene Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 1:30p
avalon6 said: The 100 free trades offer is a much better deal. Just $5000 min to open and no requirement to keep account open after that. For the xbox or nexus 7 deal, you have to spend at least $75 on the 15 required commission trades, fund your account with $10000 and keep it open for 6 months. I pretty sure there is a time limit on the 100 free trades. For stocks the commission is $3.95 or about $60 for 15 trades. The 6 month requirement is less than the 12 months of other brokerage offers.
ProfessorEd
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 6:34p
In analysis this offer, the first question is what is the prize, XBox or Nexus, worth? Checking Amazon, the Nexus 7, even in a large configuration is priced at abut $270. There are XBoxes available for perhaps $170. The real question is do you want one, and if not, how much would you sell it for. For instance, since my family already has an XBOX 360 and a Kindle, having either would not be worth a lot to us. It is possible their $300 penalty is not the value of what you get, but a way of making you think you are getting more.
However, if the $300 is close to correct there are few offers that yield this high a rate of return on your invested capital. I figure the rate of return can be as high as 4.8% above whatever your investments yield, which makes it one of the better offers out there.
kvs25
Silly Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 7:31p
Not to mention the 1099 you'll get for the Xbox.
Yoksel
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 9:25p
Why do you assume larger configuration of Nexus? They would have mentioned it in the ad if it was anything over the very basic model. The 16GB refurb often shows up here for $170. Considering the cost of transactions it's not worth the hassle unless you actually want to execute these transactions anyways.
ProfessorEd
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 9:37p
Options House also offers bonuses for bringing IRA's, ranging from $600 or $250,000 to $200 for $25,000, using a link from Money Hustler. These offers are similar to those offered by other brokerage firms, although the $200 fro $25,000 appears unusually generous. Their $4.00 (3.95 stock trades) appears attractive. While they have a title with the word Options, I see no reason they could not be used for a stock portfolio, and the low commissions on stocks may have even been designed to attract the options business.
A benefit of taking the offers discussed here would include a chance to try them out before doing the work of moving an IRA.
I discuss bonuses for moving larger amounts of money in a thread on Brokerage bonuses.
ProfessorEd
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 9:40p
Yoksel said: Why do you assume larger configuration of Nexus? They would have mentioned it in the ad if it was anything over the very basic model. The 16GB refurb often shows up here for $170. Considering the cost of transactions it's not worth the hassle unless you actually want to execute these transactions anyways.
I am puzzled by the references to a $300 penalty if you move the money when the basic models are priced less than that. Certainly anyone considering these offers should establish what is offered, and whether it meets their needs.
ProfessorEd
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 9:45p
Yoksel said: . . . .Considering the cost of transactions it's not worth the hassle unless you actually want to execute these transactions anyways.
Transactions could be done rapidly in one session if one wished, and so might be done by someone who was worried about the market moving against them.
Obviously this offer is most attractive to someone who would plan to make such a large number of transaction in any case, and would incur commissions (possibly higher) elsewhere.
rpi1967
Serene Member
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 10:06p
kvs25 said: Not to mention the 1099 you'll get for the Xbox. Do not mention it since the 1099 is for over$600 in value in bonuses in 1year.
Yoksel
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Feb. 13, 2013 @ 10:28p
rpi1967 said: kvs25 said: Not to mention the 1099 you'll get for the Xbox. Do not mention it since the 1099 is for over$600 in value in bonuses in 1year. $600 is the requirement, 1099 can be filed for any amount. Considering they will have to create 1099 for transactions anyways, they will likely include the cost of the present in the consolidated form.
ProfessorEd
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Feb. 14, 2013 @ 12:05a
Whether they give you a 1099 for the bonus does not determine the taxable of the bonus. They appear to clearly be taxable income. Unfortunately, the valuation of such gifts may exceed what you personally would value them at.
rpi1967
Serene Member
posted: Feb. 14, 2013 @ 8:51a
Yoksel said: rpi1967 said: kvs25 said: Not to mention the 1099 you'll get for the Xbox. Do not mention it since the 1099 is for over$600 in value in bonuses in 1year. $600 is the requirement, 1099 can be filed for any amount. Considering they will have to create 1099 for transactions anyways, they will likely include the cost of the present in the consolidated form. The fine print states the $600 threshold, I know that it has been their practice. Wonder if this related to the $600 threshold for casino winnings?
joe55555
Member
posted: Feb. 14, 2013 @ 1:01p
Just got a reply:
The Google Nexus 7 is the 16GB version. We do not charge your account if you trade and the balance goes below $10,000 due to trading losses. If you trade and for example withdraw $8,000 then we can charge your account for the Nexus.
majorlag
Happy Member
posted: Feb. 14, 2013 @ 3:42p
I got the same message about Nexus 16GB. Sucks but I am moving to this brokerage since stock order is the cheapest and I don't have enough to open one of those BoA/Wells Fargo free trades account. I hope OptionsHouse stock trading platform is good.
joe55555
Member
posted: Feb. 14, 2013 @ 3:54p
yea its probably not worth it unless you want the nexus or the account
3.95 x 15 = 59.25 Lost interest on 10,000 for 180 days at 1%=50 total cost for the nexus roughly $110
shocks
Member
posted: Feb. 14, 2013 @ 5:24p
joe55555 said: yea its probably not worth it unless you want the nexus or the account
3.95 x 15 = 59.25
You would probably want to make 16 trades
ProfessorEd
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Feb. 14, 2013 @ 10:30p
joe55555 said: yea its probably not worth it unless you want the nexus or the account
3.95 x 15 = 59.25 Lost interest on 10,000 for 180 days at 1%=50 total cost for the nexus roughly $110
The realistic customer for this is someone who would invest in a stock somewhere, so you would not figure on the lost interest. Even the risk adverse could probably find a way to invest $10,000 in an exchange traded short maturity bond fund, and get some return.
ProfessorEd
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Feb. 14, 2013 @ 10:39p
shocks said: joe55555 said: yea its probably not worth it unless you want the nexus or the account
3.95 x 15 = 59.25
You would probably want to make 16 trades
The argument for planning on 16 trades is that a buy is normally offset by a sell.
You can get to 15 trades, if what might have been one trade is broken into two. You might for instance buy $2,000 of something, and then another $2,000 of it, and then sell all $4,000 in one transaction.
You might also end up with 15 trades if you plan to end up with a position at the deadline which you plan to hold, either to make it long term(which may eventually be sold), or simply because Options House is as reasonable a place to hold a position as another firm, since they lack maintenance fees.
avalon6
Senior Member
posted: Feb. 14, 2013 @ 10:51p
ProfessorEd said: The argument for planning on 16 trades is that a buy is normally offset by a sell.
You can get to 15 trades, if what might have been one trade is broken into two. You might for instance buy $2,000 of something, and then another $2,000 of it, and then sell all $4,000 in one transaction.
You might also end up with 15 trades if you plan to end up with a position at the deadline which you plan to hold, either to make it long term(which may eventually be sold), or simply because Options House is as reasonable a place to hold a position as another firm, since they lack maintenance fees.
Assuming you want to qualify for the promotion in the quickest time possible, 15 stock trades with just $10k is hard to make without losing money. You are better off buying options to get to 15 trades IMHO.
tuphat
Senior Member
posted: Feb. 15, 2013 @ 5:37a
Interested in hearing about account opening process, esp. for trust and partnership accounts.
rpi1967
Serene Member
posted: Feb. 15, 2013 @ 7:11a
tuphat said: Interested in hearing about account opening process, esp. for trust and partnership accounts.esp.excluded from offer.
tuphat
Senior Member
posted: Feb. 15, 2013 @ 9:07a
rpi1967 said: tuphat said: Interested in hearing about account opening process, esp. for trust and partnership accounts.esp.excluded from offer.
Really? From landing page, emphasis added:
Only individual or joint OptionsHouse accounts, personal trust accounts, and business accounts are eligible. The promotion is not available for retirement accounts including, among others, IRA, Roth IRA, SEP, and SIMPLE accounts; 401(k) and 403(b) workplace retirement plans; UTMAs and UGMAs; fiduciary accounts (including custodial accounts, estate accounts); college investment trust accounts; and 529 college savings plan accounts.
ProfessorEd
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Feb. 16, 2013 @ 11:31p
avalon6 said: . . .
Assuming you want to qualify for the promotion in the quickest time possible, 15 stock trades with just $10k is hard to make without losing money. You are better off buying options to get to 15 trades IMHO.
Why are you less likely to lose with options, and what strategy do you suggest?
Much depends on ones normal investment plans. You can usually just do trades by doing on, and then reversing it as a way of qualifying. This reduces your return from the offer, of course. The offer is more valuable if there are trades you would have done regardless of which broker you are using. This could make the amount of money you optimally bring over much larger. For instance, if you normally make your bets by buying $20,000 of a stock or option, and holding for six months, you may avoiding doing any extra trades by bringing over $160,000, and then doing you usual trades in this account. There is a tendency to look at the minimum required, ($10,000) and presume that is what you should bring over, while the optimal amount may be much larger.
Possibly, whenever you have a good investment idea you should determine how much to invest in it, and then bring that amount into this account, and do it. If it is not too hard to transfer positions in, one might transfer in those one wishes to sell, and do these within this account to help in reaching 15 trades. Traders will id it easier to take this offer without making more than their normal number of trades while buy and hold investors are likely to find that have to make trades they would not otherwise make in order to reach 15 trades.
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