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2006 MERCEDES-BENZ S Class Sedan 4D S350
Week Region Price Mileage
3 Eastern (PA) $21,000 21,307
6 Southeast (FL) $17,400 40,545
5 Pacific Northwest (CA HI) $16,400 50,450
3 Southeast $14,400 69,853
10 Southeast (FL) $15,000 71,508
6 Pacific Northwest (CA HI) $14,700 74,634
10 Pacific Northwest (CA HI) $15,300 74,921
9 Pacific Northwest (CA HI) $12,200 76,180
7 Southeast (GA) $14,000 78,380
12 Eastern $10,250 97,693
3 Southeast (GA) $9,900 98,009
2 Pacific Northwest (CA HI) $10,800 98,389
3 Eastern (PA) $12,000 98,713
7 Pacific Northwest (CA HI) $9,300 100,051
4 Midwest (IL) $10,200 100,178
7 Southwest (NM AZ NV UT) $10,300 101,110
11 Pacific Northwest (CA HI) $8,500 116,557
4 Pacific Northwest (CA HI) $9,500 116,804
3 Eastern $9,100 120,997
11 Pacific Northwest (CA HI) $6,600 160,423
8 Southeast (FL) $8,400 201,983

These number lead me to believe that the dealer owns the car in the $12k-$13k range.

sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.

sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


+1. I'd rather have something used and nice (Luxury Sedan) than something new and crappy.

christoj879 said:   In my search I've also found this guy who (as others have done and written about here with other dealers, not this guy though) will go to Manheim for you for 10% of the purchase price.

10% is too much if you are getting a car over $5K. Any good dealer will do it for you for $500. If I were local I would have done it

dishdude said:   sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.
exactly. someone riding around in a 12year old range rover and thinking they are a baller.

dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.
18 months from now, you're driving an old Kia.

rmhop said:   dishdude said:   sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.
exactly. someone riding around in a 12year old range rover and thinking they are a baller.


I ride around in my 10 year old e39 M5 and I think it's still a pretty baller ride.

DaGimp said:   rmhop said:   dishdude said:   sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.
exactly. someone riding around in a 12year old range rover and thinking they are a baller.


I ride around in my 10 year old e39 M5 and I think it's still a pretty baller ride.
fixed

Sector7500 said:   Here are some ACTUAL auction sales on the vehicle you are looking:

So you don't think it matters that the S350 in question is not a product of MBUSA?

Honestly, I don't think it matters.

taxmantoo said:   Sector7500 said:   Here are some ACTUAL auction sales on the vehicle you are looking:

So you don't think it matters that the S350 in question is not a product of MBUSA?

rmhop said:   DaGimp said:   rmhop said:   dishdude said:   sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.
exactly. someone riding around in a 12year old range rover and thinking they are a baller.


I ride around in my 10 year old e39 M5 and I think it's still a pretty baller ride.
fixed


I have a 10 year old range rover and 13 year old Sclass. I could give a $&@@ about what people think of me . The only thing that matters is that I like the cars and personally prefer them to a 2013 econobox . I rent 2013 models from econobox to full size , and not a single one drives as nice as my decade old cars .

Screw what people think of you, do what you enjoy. Btw you'll love the sclass but I really recommend getting the LWB v8 models over the s350 which was a short wheelbase model

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   rmhop said:   DaGimp said:   rmhop said:   dishdude said:   sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.
exactly. someone riding around in a 12year old range rover and thinking they are a baller.


I ride around in my 10 year old e39 M5 and I think it's still a pretty baller ride.
fixed


I have a 10 year old range rover and 13 year old Sclass. I could give a $&@@ about what people think of me . The only thing that matters is that I like the cars and personally prefer them to a 2013 econobox . I rent 2013 models from econobox to full size , and not a single one drives as nice as my decade old cars .

Screw what people think of you, do what you enjoy. Btw you'll love the sclass but I really recommend getting the LWB v8 models over the s350 which was a short wheelbase model
I imagine that's what Charlie Sheen is thinking when he's banging Bree Olson.

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   rmhop said:   DaGimp said:   rmhop said:   dishdude said:   sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.
exactly. someone riding around in a 12year old range rover and thinking they are a baller.


I ride around in my 10 year old e39 M5 and I think it's still a pretty baller ride.
fixed


I have a 10 year old range rover and 13 year old Sclass. I could give a $&@@ about what people think of me . The only thing that matters is that I like the cars and personally prefer them to a 2013 econobox . I rent 2013 models from econobox to full size , and not a single one drives as nice as my decade old cars .

Screw what people think of you, do what you enjoy. Btw you'll love the sclass but I really recommend getting the LWB v8 models over the s350 which was a short wheelbase model


Damn. I thought I saw a difference between the S350 and S430. I do love the LWB...

I'm hearing from another W220 owner that the 4Matic is something worth having.

Nearby there's an 05 S430, 75k for $16,819. Purchased at auction on 4/8 and listed last week. Any auction numbers on this model?

christoj879 said:   I'm hearing from another W220 owner that the 4Matic is something worth having.

Nearby there's an 05 S430, 75k for $16,819. Purchased at auction on 4/8 and listed last week. Any auction numbers on this model?

VIN? PM it

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   rmhop said:   DaGimp said:   rmhop said:   dishdude said:   sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.
exactly. someone riding around in a 12year old range rover and thinking they are a baller.


I ride around in my 10 year old e39 M5 and I think it's still a pretty baller ride.
fixed


I have a 10 year old range rover and 13 year old Sclass. I could give a $&@@ about what people think of me . The only thing that matters is that I like the cars and personally prefer them to a 2013 econobox . I rent 2013 models from econobox to full size , and not a single one drives as nice as my decade old cars .

Screw what people think of you, do what you enjoy. Btw you'll love the sclass but I really recommend getting the LWB v8 models over the s350 which was a short wheelbase model

doesn't necessarily apply to you, but there are plenty of people in the 20-40 age range who have Louis Vuitton purses hanging off their arms with big faced watches who say they drive a "Range Rover" only to find out it's 15 years old and barely runs.

i used to sell cars and i would hesitate to sell for $500 over cost. Simply not worth the time it takes for all the damn paperwork, etc. Unless the car has been sitting a long time and no one has seemed interested in it, then maybe. If I've had quite a few bites on the car lately, no way I'm selling it for $500 over cost. If I simply like the car myself, I'm not getting rid of it without making more money. There are tons of unknown factors. Personally I like the "make 1 offer and take it or leave it" strategy. It pays to be patient. like a previous poster said, they might call a month later and take your offer. that is not the norm. people have usually bought something 3 days after they decide to start looking.

rmhop said:   SUCKISSTAPLES said:   rmhop said:   DaGimp said:   rmhop said:   dishdude said:   sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.
exactly. someone riding around in a 12year old range rover and thinking they are a baller.


I ride around in my 10 year old e39 M5 and I think it's still a pretty baller ride.
fixed


I have a 10 year old range rover and 13 year old Sclass. I could give a $&@@ about what people think of me . The only thing that matters is that I like the cars and personally prefer them to a 2013 econobox . I rent 2013 models from econobox to full size , and not a single one drives as nice as my decade old cars .

Screw what people think of you, do what you enjoy. Btw you'll love the sclass but I really recommend getting the LWB v8 models over the s350 which was a short wheelbase model

doesn't necessarily apply to you, but there are plenty of people in the 20-40 age range who have Louis Vuitton purses hanging off their arms .


Well that stereotype definitely applies to the ladies in my range rover
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/FE9F37EF-5D9D-418F-9D39-C06F532002AF-4850-000006B54D11A1CD_zpsfb5923c4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/1C52E86C-147F-4396-B6A0-425EAE6DF972-4850-000006B52D7D898C_zps941f2077.jpg

SUCKISSTAPLES said:   rmhop said:   SUCKISSTAPLES said:   rmhop said:   DaGimp said:   rmhop said:   dishdude said:   sailinlight said:   dishdude said:   Why would you spend that kind of money on a 7 year old used car? Go buy a new Kia Soul, Chevy Sonic or Ford Fiesta.

Haha I always think of people who buy Kias, "why would you spend that kind of money on a POS new car when you can have a few year old top of the line luxury model". To each his own.


I see someone riding around in a 10 year old luxury car and immediately think "poor man's Mercedes" and that they are trying a little too hard to impress.
exactly. someone riding around in a 12year old range rover and thinking they are a baller.


I ride around in my 10 year old e39 M5 and I think it's still a pretty baller ride.
fixed


I have a 10 year old range rover and 13 year old Sclass. I could give a $&@@ about what people think of me . The only thing that matters is that I like the cars and personally prefer them to a 2013 econobox . I rent 2013 models from econobox to full size , and not a single one drives as nice as my decade old cars .

Screw what people think of you, do what you enjoy. Btw you'll love the sclass but I really recommend getting the LWB v8 models over the s350 which was a short wheelbase model

doesn't necessarily apply to you, but there are plenty of people in the 20-40 age range who have Louis Vuitton purses hanging off their arms .


Well that stereotype definitely applies to the ladies in my range rover
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/FE9F37EF-5D9D-4...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/1C52E86C-147F-4...


Nice pics SIS. Had any significant problems with your Mark III/L322?

lol - the first dealer with the S350 that told me it was sold emailed me this week and said if I was still in town to give them a call.

My focus has shifted, and while I'm still looking for an S class, I also have a Civic GX (natural gas) in my sights as there's a new station near me that's $2.49/gal.

Also, just in case anybody doesn't know, I was shocked to see how much money is being given to people who buy new alt fuel vehicles. In PA, it's $3k from the state and $7500 from the federal govt for a Volt/Leaf, and for a new Civic GX, $1k from PA, $3600 from the federal govt and $3000 in fuel from Honda.

christoj879 said:   
Also, just in case anybody doesn't know, I was shocked to see how much money is being given to people who buy new alt fuel vehicles. In PA, it's $3k from the state and $7500 from the federal govt for a Volt/Leaf, and for a new Civic GX, $1k from PA, $3600 from the federal govt and $3000 in fuel from Honda.


Thanks for the heads up.

christoj879 said:   lol - the first dealer with the S350 that told me it was sold emailed me this week and said if I was still in town to give them a call.

My focus has shifted, and while I'm still looking for an S class, I also have a Civic GX (natural gas) in my sights as there's a new station near me that's $2.49/gal.

Also, just in case anybody doesn't know, I was shocked to see how much money is being given to people who buy new alt fuel vehicles. In PA, it's $3k from the state and $7500 from the federal govt for a Volt/Leaf, and for a new Civic GX, $1k from PA, $3600 from the federal govt and $3000 in fuel from Honda.


The problem is the prices for the cars are inflated over $10k. So it is really only going to the automakers. Look at the price of used Leafs. They can be had for under $18K while they are over 30K new. Hardly worth it.

Some leasing companies will actually roll the federal rebate into a lease but then the redisuals aren't great. 2 years at 12K miles per year on Focus Electrics are 54% and 3/36 is 47% - hardly a bargin.

christoj879 said:   Currently 0 for 3.

Second one I didn't call and it wasn't on the lot - "a lot boy backed into it and it's getting its bumper repainted." I'll check it out when it comes back.

Third one I came and looked at had a disc changer full of Baptist Gospel music and an aftermarket headrest DVD system in it (I've learned that aftermarket electrical work is bad news).

Still, I went to talk numbers on the third. They had it online at $9900. I was coming in around $8k, but I started at $7500 because of the DVD system (that didn't work - one monitor didn't work and the disc wouldn't eject).

Guy came back and said "there's no way we can make a deal here, all of our prices are before $2,000 cash or trade-in." I can get pissed at a listing online that manipulates its search rankings in this way, but to not put it in your listing is BS. Total waste of time, and I'll shame them here - Colonial Nissan of Feasterville, PA. Way to not be transparent with your pricing.




LOL colonial are a bunch of crooks. I went there a couple weeks ago to look at a car I found online. I get there and magically the price is up 5k and it didn't have the factory tires/rim like I asked earlier in the week.

Good luck with your findings. I have been on the market for a used car for weeks now and still haven't found a deal I like.

Ugh, now I'm going full circle. It must be the FW in me, but now my sights are on a CNG P71. So, paging delzy I guess.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/3775499773.html

Through Googling it a lot I can see the seller has had the car for at least a year and lowered the price $3k in that time, but to be honest I think $9k is a ton for a P71 even if it is CNG. I'm thinking more like $4k. Any thoughts?

christoj879 said:   Ugh, now I'm going full circle. It must be the FW in me, but now my sights are on a CNG P71

Resistance is futile

christoj879 said:   I think $9k is a ton for a P71 even if it is CNG. I'm thinking more like $4k. Any thoughts?

I'm thinking more like $4k if you could fill it up at a gas station, $2k if you have to find some place to stuff it with NG at SCUBA pressures.

The original fleet buyer paid a premium for CNG, but it's probably basically worthless to anybody who is not a major fleet user with CNG refueling on site.

christoj879 said:   Ugh, now I'm going full circle. It must be the FW in me, but now my sights are on a CNG P71. So, paging delzy I guess.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/3775499773.html

Through Googling it a lot I can see the seller has had the car for at least a year and lowered the price $3k in that time, but to be honest I think $9k is a ton for a P71 even if it is CNG. I'm thinking more like $4k. Any thoughts?


The CNG vics sell for less than gas in DC. Problem is all the CNG stations are for fleet vehicles. Can't find a public one.

I should find someone with a $500 Geo Metro and take it.

Now I'm at an 05 S60 100k. They paid $5800 for it, selling it for $10k. I can get a 1 year Volvo warranty for $1600 from a dealer that advertises online. I'm going to offer $6500 plus $1600 for the same warranty. I know the warranty sounds like a lot, and I'm considering Route 66 from PenFed (or nothing at all), but I figure I can use it as a bargaining chip to get the deal to go through and get coverage out of it too. Or should I skip the coverage and offer $7k?

First round of communications they came down to $9400 off the bat.

Edit: they told me to go to hell. On I go.

Considering I can't find a deal that I like and the screws are turning on me to pick something and get the process over with, I've decided to lease and in the interim I can make up my mind.

2013 Smart fortwo passion coupe with nav and comfort package (yes I test drove one and yes I like it, it's only 3 years that I'll have to drive it if I don't continue to like it)

$16580 is the dealer's price, and here's their breakdown on a lease (otd payments with taxes and local taxes included):

$149.33 Payment With $2,088.33 cod

$999.00 Cap cost reduction
$149.33 First months payment
$295.00 Mercedes acquisition fee
$350.00 PA DMV
$295.00 Dealer Doc charge
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$2,088.33

At the end of the lease the buyout is $9119 or a disposition fee of $400. 30k miles/$0.25 over (kind of low, 833 miles a month).

I qualify for a $1000 current MB owner credit to either put towards cash due or lower the monthly payments.

Thoughts? Another small part of this is that while I like working on cars, work is picking up and it's getting harder to take a day to fix something.

Edit: doesn't have the nav package.

The end of the saga is I'm picking it up this week - $1k otd and $149/mo all in and 15k miles/year.

posted this in a more recent BMW thread, but no response. Hopefully I can get some advice here:

been eyeing a 2002 CLK 320 w/57,000 miles sitting at a Honda Dealership (I think since early April). Asking price is $12,799. It's got the K3 & K4 Package. Per the Carfax, it seems in very good - excellent condition, no accidents reported, all routine maintenance service at an MB dealership on schedule. NADA prices say dealer retail should be $10,000 based on mileage, but i think that's too high. most likely it was a trade=in. I really don't like negotiating back and forth, and all reviews of this dealership are horrendous. I'm afraid offering a "fair" price will backfire. Any suggestions on pricing or negotiating tips? also anyone have any advice on a this model (mechanics and repairs, etc). thanks!

Off lower than you want to pay and work up to your price. If after 2 or 3 numbers back and forth they're not coming close, just leave. They'll call you the next day, they always do. I just bought an SUV and it's amazing how many of them want to make a deal. Also don't take it hard when you lose a deal. Like they say, "you win some. You lose some."



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