cyberzap, take a look at carsdirect.com

I've never used CR, and I'm sure they are informative. But, the one thing I have learned about the internet is that all the information you want is available out there. So, unless you are in a rush and can't put in your time to look things up, there is no need to spend any money, other then downpayment on the car.

The TSX is the car I'm going to be buying in about a month. From my initial research, going off MSRP is going to be tough. That being said, I'm going to try. Luckily, we have 2 Acura dealers here and I'm going to be doing the fax attack thing at the end of the month.

Askani said:

<< AFO said:

<< vjarnot said:

<< 1. Car/Make/Year/Model: 2002 Honda S2000
2. MSRP price: ~32.8k
3. Invoice price: ~29k
4. Price YOU paid for: ~31.8k
5. Any addition info: Don't try to convince me that I was ripped off... I wasn't. >>

Oh yes, you were . Just like I was when I paid 17500 for a 2000 Corolla, whose invoice was probably 15500. And got financing through the dealer for about 8% >>

No he wasn't. Take a look at the Acura TSX. See if you can get it below MSRP (you'd be lucky) let alone anywhere near invoice. >>

any feedbacks on the price of Honda CR-V EX Auto...I am looking at $21000 from a honda dealership...thanks in advance
any better prices?

Looking to see if anybody got a deal for a '03 Nissan Murano. My g/f really likes this SUV.

It is important to note that many 2003 cars are already starting to depreciate. Dealers would love to get rid of them to make room for the 2004 models. So, there can be many deals under invoice (I got my 2000 Ford Ranger way under invoice) for slower selling cars.

I don't buy new cars anymore (3 years old with 50% depreciation is fine with me). However, you can do well with a new, previous model, slow selling car (maybe 25% depreciation over 3 years).

I agree with a previous poster that you can make money or break even with a used car if you are very patient and wait for the appropriate deal.

Finally, if you live in a large city (I'm in Seattle), sell one of your cars and ride public transit. You'll really save a lot then (we saved ~$500 a month by selling one of our vehicles).

--Kevin

ezwinner701 said:

<< My gf is planning to get a mini-cooper at the end of the year, just wanted to start a thread so we can help each other with priving.

Please state the following.

1. Car/Make/Year/Model
2. MSRP price
3. Invoice price
4. Price YOU paid for.
5. Any addition info: i.e dealer kickback, dealer incentives, or special financing. >>


I bought a rather similar car(and then it was totalled ) for $15500...

It was a Honda Civic Si...2002 model. Anyway, the Mini's way more "cool" though at any rate...

there's some great deals to be had on new cars if you're willing to invest the time and hassle.

I think BMW is one of the best examples.

I'll give a for instance on the car I plan on buying..

2003 BMW 325i 4 dr

MSRP: $28500
Invoice: $26100

price i'll be paying w/ TT&L: $23000

BMW has a couple of programs, such as: European Delivery program, Diplomatic program, Military sales program

I think another one that offers something similar is Volvo.

True there can be additional costs incurred such as the plane ticket and hotel(volvo actually covers this in the price of the car for their euro-delivery program) but chances are if you're already a fatwallet vet., then you'll know how to rack up free frequent flier miles to cover your ticket, and you'll find some great deals on hotels in Germany.

For me this made sense because 1.) flight over there for my wife and I is free 2.) lodging costs us $30/night. 3.) free transportation(my bmw! ) while we're over there(insurance is already paid for).

One of the best vacations we could've ever asked for, and it's costing us next to nothing. Not a bad little bonus for buying a new car

but that 325i really isn't that awesome... =P people here just pay idiotic markups because of the brand name worship in this country...

Over in Europe you'll see that the Civic Type-R costs more than what you paid for your BMW!
(it's 22,465 Euros by the way which equals $25,771.35 at today's exchange rate)

While here nobody would ever pay that much money for anything with the word "Civic" on it. Only an Acura RSX gets that kind of sticker(it's the same car under the skin as the Civic Si and Type-R)

A 325i really isn't that interesting of a car if you take it out of the context of being a BMW... Now, an M3 on the other hand would actually be awesome whether or not you put those 3 letters on it =)
(and yes the Civic Type-R would whoop A5S(oooh I bypassed the censors oooh) against the 325i, including in cornering because it has that special limited slip setup that aids in cutting down understeer from being FWD)

Stuff like the Ford Focus RS is also over there...(it's a turbo focus with rally racing history...like our SVT except A LOT BETTER and a LOT MORE MONEY). Nobody here would pay the kind of money that thing demands if it was a Ford here either.

Bah...screw brand name worshipping =P

Oh and the 30th anniversary edition of the Civic(in Type-R dress of course!) is $27,522.48 BEFORE adding any options =) There's leather seats, an automatic(which I think is a tragedy in a Type-R), and some special paint color(metallic pearl something...)
I think it's a $30K car after all that junk's put in(which I still think really shouldn't include the automatic, but you can probably break 30K without the automatic anyway)

OK, looking at this sweet Civic makes me want one...dammit, why can't the US get the really dope non-brand named cars?!

I actually chose the 325i for it's comfort while driving, the fact that it can get me close to 30mpg, and it's 4year maintenance free plan(all regular/normal maintenance such as oil changes, rotate and balance, alignment, new tires etc.. are free for the four year duration). Not only that but consumer reports and car and driver rate it the best in it's class. Racing is not on my agenda, and the fact that the focus was/is a tin can in terms of reliability and safety was a major reason my wife and I stayed away from it and decided on buying her a Civic.

Different strokes for different folks.

cirrus said:

<< but that 325i really isn't that awesome... =P people here just pay idiotic markups because of the brand name worship in this country...

Over in Europe you'll see that the Civic Type-R costs more than what you paid for your BMW!
(it's 22,465 Euros by the way which equals $25,771.35 at today's exchange rate)

While here nobody would ever pay that much money for anything with the word "Civic" on it. Only an Acura RSX gets that kind of sticker(it's the same car under the skin as the Civic Si and Type-R)

A 325i really isn't that interesting of a car if you take it out of the context of being a BMW... Now, an M3 on the other hand would actually be awesome whether or not you put those 3 letters on it =)
(and yes the Civic Type-R would whoop A5S(oooh I bypassed the censors oooh) against the 325i, including in cornering because it has that special limited slip setup that aids in cutting down understeer from being FWD)

Stuff like the Ford Focus RS is also over there...(it's a turbo focus with rally racing history...like our SVT except A LOT BETTER and a LOT MORE MONEY). Nobody here would pay the kind of money that thing demands if it was a Ford here either.

Bah...screw brand name worshipping =P

Oh and the 30th anniversary edition of the Civic(in Type-R dress of course!) is $27,522.48 BEFORE adding any options =) There's leather seats, an automatic(which I think is a tragedy in a Type-R), and some special paint color(metallic pearl something...)
I think it's a $30K car after all that junk's put in(which I still think really shouldn't include the automatic, but you can probably break 30K without the automatic anyway)

OK, looking at this sweet Civic makes me want one...dammit, why can't the US get the really dope non-brand named cars?! >>