cirrus said:

<< OK, looking at this sweet Civic makes me want one...dammit, why can't the US get the really dope non-brand named cars?! >>

- stricter emissions and crash worthiness laws in U.S.
- right hand drive cars are expensive to retrofit to left hand drive unless the platform was designed to be interchangable
- lawsuit happy U.S.
- projected sales numbers too low to justify certifying the car for the U.S. market

Looking to purchase Ford Explorer Sport Trac XLT. Got the following quote:

MSRP: 29,405
Invoice: 26,704
Price: 26,471 less $2,000 rebate = $24,471 + Tax, license, etc.

Also have price from another dealer on XLT Premium:

MSRP: $29,150
Invoice: $26,736
Price: 26,550 less $2,000 rebate = $24,550 + Tax, license, etc.

Seems pretty standard pricing - these are only "internet" inquiry quotes from dealers, may be able to negotiate a little more....

woodie1 said:

<< My current ride:

M-B E320SE MSRP = $49739
Invoice ....I don't remember
Price paid $44000 + tax, tag, title

So far it has been an okay vehicle. >>

So you paid close to $50,000 (tax) for a car and all you can say is it's ok.

Prices Are Approximates, since this was a few years ago.

1) 2001 Toyota Echo
2) MSRP $14,200
3) Invoice $11,800
4) Price $12,000

To get this deal I called around to all sorts of dealers and asked to speak to a sales rep who needed one more sale to reach a certain bonus level. I let that rep know that I was buying a car in the next three days, before the month was over. I then told the rep what build of an Echo I was looking for, and asked what deal he could offer me. (This was at the end of a month, though would have been more effective at the end of a quarter). I was willing to drive about 2 hrs or so, which greatly expanded my options. After a little searching I found one dealership that would cut me a deal. Luckily, that dealership was pretty close too.

1. 2002 Ford Mustang GT premium coupe
2. 26,315
3. 24,331
4. 23,993 - $1900 in incentives
5. 4.9%
monthly payment = $364

joy of driving it = priceless

TT&L = Tax, Title, and License

Askani said:

<< woodie1 said:

<< My current ride:

M-B E320SE MSRP = $49739
Invoice ....I don't remember
Price paid $44000 + tax, tag, title

So far it has been an okay vehicle. >>

So you paid close to $50,000 (tax) for a car and all you can say is it's ok. >>

I got rid of it and went with a CLK55AMG. See above.

liquidh2o said:

<< 2003 BMW 325i 4 dr

MSRP: $28500
Invoice: $26100

price i'll be paying w/ TT&L: $23000
>>

I'm really curious how you were able to get this price, given that 325i INVOICE price for European Delivery is $23.5k without any options. You indicate that you paid $23k with TT&L, which would mean that your price was $21k after dealer markup but before TT&L.....so basically that you paid $2500 below European Delivery invoice.

VERY curious.

My girlfriend's second cousin was the Vice President of BMW-NA before he retired. I just had a talk with him and he along this info to me about prices:

$27,800 - 325i MSRP in USA
$25,855 - 325i MSRP European Delivery Program
---------------------------------------------
$25,460 - 325i Confidential Wholesale Price
$23,530 - 325i Confidential European Delivery Program Wholesale Price

What I heard is this. You can actually get some dealers here to do the ED program with discounts. Best bet is to use the $23,530 ED wholesale price, add whatever options, add in the $695 destination charge, and tack in another $1200-$1500 and that's the price you pay for.

This would be greatly less than buying here in the States, plus, you get to see Europe all for a cost of an airplane ticket $25,425 would be the base-price for a brand new 325i (plus Tax, Title, and License where appliable).

Also, just to let you guys know, the 2004's 300's are the same price as this years.. so if you're planning on buying new, it's probably better to wait a few weeks when the 04's come in.


Azurik (thinking he could smooze with his GF's cousin a bit and get something even better).

Azurik, I'm well aware of how European Delivery works. I purchased my 330ci at a substantial discount and agree with your logic above.

However, my question to liquidh20 is how he managed to buy his 325i for ~$21k, which is $2500 LESS than European Delivery INVOICE.

I think he probably confused the #s or the entire thing is BS, but if it is actually legit, I'm all ears