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noksagt,

Those were good! Thanks!


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nice OP!


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In response to Myth #27. Nothing is good "value for the money". Things are simply "good value".

Value = Benefit / Price (money)

Saying "value for the money" is analagous to "My car gets great mileage for the gas".

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Zed said:

<< In response to Myth #27. Nothing is good "value for the money". Things are simply "good value".

Value = Benefit / Price (money)

Saying "value for the money" is analagous to "My car gets great mileage for the gas".

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The tip says: "FW helps you to find the best value for your money. It's you who have to decide whether to spend more money or not." Which is analagous to "FW helps you get great mileage for your gas." Makes perfect sense.. It's value for YOUR money, not THE money.. you misread.


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KrayzyAzn said:

<< The tip says: "FW helps you to find the best value for your money. It's you who have to decide whether to spend more money or not." Which is analagous to "FW helps you get great mileage for your gas." Makes perfect sense.. It's value for YOUR money, not THE money.. you misread. >>

Ummm, you missed the point. It doesn't matter if it is for "THE" money or "YOUR" money. The money part is redundant. Again, it would be like saying "the car gets better mileage for YOUR gas". You just say "fatwallet helps to find you the best value". Period. Just like "the Honda Insight gives you the best mileage".

"The new video card gives you more FPS for your time than any other".

Equally wrong.


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Great thread. Myth #20 could be stated "You get what you pay for".


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FPS is a measure of output per unit of input. MPG is a measure of output per unit of input. Mileage can be interpretted the same way, but it doesn't strictly mean it. It can just as well mean the distance travelled. Mileage does not necessarily equal MPG. Don't be so anal.


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"#9MYTH (courtesy of Waterman myths #9&10) - "I will save big, big money on my taxes when I buy a house. The interest payments are deductible!"
With the increase in the standard deduction for filing married, there is very little tax advantage for a median income family buing a median price home."

I am surprised that many smart people are trapped by this myth. For household income barely or below six figures, there isn't much bargain. Best way to figure out how much you save by buying house, do hypothetical tax return on turbotax/taxcut.

SS can add another myth
Myth: I lied (or exaggrated) on my tax last year and I got refund for what I asked for. Now I am safe this year.
Reality: IRS can audit you for a return till 5 years.


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LordKronos said:

<< FPS is a measure of output per unit of input. MPG is a measure of output per unit of input. Mileage can be interpretted the same way, but it doesn't strictly mean it. It can just as well mean the distance travelled. Mileage does not necessarily equal MPG. Don't be so anal. >>

Argh! People keep missing my point. I give up.


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iluvusorin said:

<<SS can add another myth
Myth: I lied (or exaggrated) on my tax last year and I got refund for what I asked for. Now I am safe this year.
Reality: IRS can audit you for a return till 5 years. >>


I don't think that's true. My understanding is that the rule is a little more complex than that:

If you never file a tax return, the IRS has an UNLIMITED amount of time to come back and "audit" you (although I guess it wouldn't be an audit if you never filed??). If you withheld 25% or more of your gross income from your tax return, the audit period is 7 years. Otherwise, the IRS has 3 years from April 15 to audit you.


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rooster1865 said:

<< Myth: I don't want that raise/extra job because it will move me into a higher tax bracket and I'll actually come out behind

Nope, this isn't the way tax brackets work. If you move into a higher tax bracket, only the portion of your income that is above the threshold is taxed at that rate. For instance, if the threshold for the 28% tax bracket is 55,000 and you currently make 54,999 and get a $1001 per year raise (for a total of $56,000), only the extra $1000 that is over the 55,000 threshold is taxed at the 28% rate, not the whole $56,000.
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Please clarify that this is relevant to federal and not all states. CT kicks you in the nuts pretty darn hard for being one dollar over a threshold, it'll cost you a substantial amount MORE in tax than earned. Last I reviewed it I believe making that 1$ costs you 50 (you want to end up at the top of the brackets)


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what rooster1865 said is definitely accurate on a federal income tax level. However, as far as state income taxes I am not quite sure as Florida doesn't have a state tax but I imagine it could be the case.


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"If you are going to pay AMT for this year, you should accelerate income and delay deductible expenses."

Two decades ago this was true, but the 1986 Tax Reform changed the rules by adding phaseout of the AMT exemption. This increases the AMT marginal rate by 6.5% to 7% once your AGI hits the phaseout threshold ($150k for joint returns). The vast majority of AMT payers are in the phaseout range, and facing AMT marginal rates of 32.5% to 35% plus the full state marginal rate. Unless you are well into the top 1% of taxpayers, this typically is higher than the marginal rate for regular tax, meaning that you will owe more AMT if you follow the conventional advice.

When it comes to AMT, there is no substitute for running the numbers. Tax planning shouldn't have to be this hard, but the AMT makes it tougher than writing a college term paper.


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SUCKISSTAPLES said:Which brings up yet another MYTH: "A CSR told me something, so it must be correct!"
FACT: CSRs, especially at credit card companies, are clueless drones and often dole out conflicting or incorrect information. Read the printed terms of your card agreement.

hey SIS, this comment made above was when someone had spoken about the CSR telling them about household income. in another thread i started you replied the same to me to put down household income. when i spoke to the CSR they told me that i couldnt include parents or brother in my household income, which seems ridiculous to me. however, this was for AMEX, and because of this they denied the app. now, what could i do to bypass the CSR who is making the decision to let me have credit or not


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move on. there are a hundred other CC issuers


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Myth: "My credit card has a fixed rate, which means the rate will never change."

Fact: "Fixed" rate only means it does not fluctuate as the prime rate does. By the terms of the CC, the CC issuer can change your "fixed" rate any time (usually after an "accont review"). You have the option of not accepting the rate change but you have to stop using that credit card. Otherwise the new rate takes effect anyway.


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Excellent thread!

I was particularly interested in the comments regarding the tax break for marriage when the couple is earning less than 100k a year. I will be getting married in 1 month and our combined salaries will be ~85K/year. I wasn't expecting much, but I also have heard this myth many times. Thanks again!

justin


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SIS said:#3 MYTH: "I can only list my personal salary on a credit card application"
Read the application carefully. Most credit card applications ask for "household income", which can include much more than your salary, and can also include other members of the household. Presenting the highest legitimate # to the cc issuer should get the best cc terms.


Since a while all the Citi apps I see seem to ask for "your" income instead of the household's, eliminating the chances of higher credit limit for some.

Excellent compilation nonetheless, SIS !


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