(Credit goes to SDixey for suggesting this topic.)
Banks and other institutions are pulling HARD credit inquiries on their customers with ever-increasing frequency. Whether its because of 9/11 and the "Know your Customer" regs, or just making sure you arent a fraudster or deadbeat, doesnt really matter, the fact is that its being done regularly.
While inquiries are not a big issue for those with perfect credit, too many hard inquiries on one's credit report can be harmful if your credit is borderline, and can result in higher loan or insurance rates. Most people usually expect hard credit inquiries to occur when they apply for credit, a cell phone, a job, an apartment, or insurance. And these places usually disclose that a credit report is being pulled. Thus, we usually take steps to minimize the # of inquiries.
However, many people are surprised (and displeased) to find out their credit reports have been dinged with HARD inquiries when opening DEPOSIT accounts, such as checking and money market accounts. This has been discussed extensively in THIS thread. If you wish to discuss your opinions on this practice, please post in this linked thread.
The purpose of this thread is SOLELY TO LIST INSTITUTIONS WHICH PULL HARD CREDIT INQUIRIES WHEN OPENING A NON-CREDIT ACCOUNT. Simply name the institution, whether it be a bank, cell phone provider, insurance company, etc. You may also want to state whether they INFORMED you a credit report was being pulled. Please keep posts BRIEF, and limited to the items above, so this thread will be an easy-to-read list. Post all discussion and comments about this practice in the linked thread above.
Everbank - pulled Experian for a Money Market Account, as well as for a checking one.
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Fidelity - LionBank (Not Fidelity Investments)
Financial Center Credit Union
Fifth Third - Opening Checking Account
Flagstar Bank - Checking - Pulls TU
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GMAC Bank - pulled TU for their MM savings account
H
HARRIS BANK -- CD
I
Indiana Members Credit Union
ING Direct - When you open Electric Orange checking account, they will hard pull Equifax to determine the overdraft credit line limit for you. No hard pull for opening Orange Savings account.
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Johnson & Johnson by Yale & Associates on Experian- employment
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Local gas & electric utility (We Energies - Wisconsin)
Local Honda dealer- check + 5K credit card
Local Nissan dealer (Coral Springs Nissan Auto Mall) pulled a HARD one when I browsed their inventory
Local Toyota dealership- cash transaction
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Marquette National Bank -- checking, savings, CD and safe deposit box
Meadows Credit Union pulled Trans Union for a checking account.
Mechanics Bank (sf) did hard pull from Equifax for a checking account.
Muriel Siebert & Co. pulled Experian for a brokerage account without margin.
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National1St Credit Union - When opening an account/CD etc - Experian had pull
NASA Federal Credit Union - when applying for membership - Equifax hard pull
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People's Gas
Pentagon Federal Credit Union
Presidential Bank pulled Equifax for a checking account under the name Presidential Savings.
Principal Bank pulled Equifax for a checking account, also pulls for money market account according to CSR.
Provident Central Credit Union, Bay Area, CA - When opening an account - Experean hard pull
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Qwest
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Salem Five - pulled Equifax for a checking account.
Schwab - hard pull on Equifax for a checking account.
TD Waterhouse/Ameritrade pulled Equifax on an exisiting customer to open IRA
Thrifty RENT A CAR did hard pull prior to rental
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UFBDirect.com - 3.30% on High Yield Money Market Savings
US Bank ( online / phone only. soft pull when opening in branch)
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Verizon - landline, DSL, or VoIP (on Equifax or TransUnion). Also for new cellphone account.
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Wachovia-Trans union (or Equifax in some cases) for opening a checking account
Wanigas CU - Pulls to become Member, Pulls for Checking - Experian
Wells Fargo (When ever you make any changes like adding additional account holder, change address on your account etc, their Credit department is making a hard enquiry on Experean, I fought with them to get it Re-Classified as a soft pull, be very careful with Wells Fargo). Add this also, i change my account from regular to all advantage account (have free bill pay, checks etc) and a hard pull.
--------------------------------- Banks that DO NOT pull hard credit inquiries
Amalgamated Bank Countrywide Bank FSB FNBO Direct PNC Bank (for opening a free checking account), soft pull in Equifax Valley National Bank of NJ Washington Mutual U.S. Bank (in-branch visits only)
Message edited by: ThursdaysChild on 2007-10-05 15:03:36 CDT
SUCKISSTAPLES
Charter Member
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 6:06a
Pentagon Federal Credit Union pulls a hard inquiry when you signup to become a credit union member and open a deposit account.
I applied by telephone, and the rep did not mention she was pulling a credit report on me.
RetiredCoalMiner
Happy Member
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 8:23a
Verizon seems to irregularly do hard inquiries.
I have had a land line with Verizon, but not a cell phone, for 5-1/2 years, yet a year and a half ago they did a hard inquiry. I can't recall anything that would have prompted them to do a hard inquiry.
zender
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 11:27a
Chase Manhattan Bank pulled Trans Union for a checking account. Charter One Bank pulled Equifax for a checking account under the name St. Paul Bank Corp. Bank of America pulled Trans Union for a checking account. Presidential Bank pulled Equifax for a checking account under the name Presidential Savings. American Express Co. pulled Experian for a One Financial account without margin (combination brokerage/savings). Everbank pulled Experian for a Money Market Account. Muriel Siebert & Co. pulled Experian for a brokerage account without margin. Brookline Bank pulled Experian for a checking account. Citibank pulled Trans Unions for a checking and savings account opened at the same time.
I was not informed of any of these pulls specifically, but I'm sure permissions were provided for in the application documentation.
edit to correct the CRA that Charter One pulled.
tomprc
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 11:38a
verizon pulled my CR one year ago at the same time I enrolled in their auto-pay by credit card program. I'm also a land-line only user. I don't believe it informed me specifically. but i didn't read the terms when i signed up.
RetiredCoalMiner said:
<< Verizon seems to irregularly do hard inquiries.
I have had a land line with Verizon, but not a cell phone, for 5-1/2 years, yet a year and a half ago they did a hard inquiry. I can't recall anything that would have prompted them to do a hard inquiry. >>
Isn't it illigal for companies to pull a hard credit inquiry w/o your authorization?
skchan2003
Member
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 4:14p
SCOTTRADE did a HARD on my Equifax CR
sdixey
Thrifty Member
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 6:00p
Since I am in the Chicago area I can only comment on my dealings in this area. Here goes:
Chicago market:
HARD INQUIRIES -- WHAT ACCOUNTS GENERATE THAT INQUIRY
Financial Institutions:
MARQUETTE NATIONAL BANK -- CHECKING, SAVINGS, CD AND SAFE DEPOSIT BOX HARRIS BANK -- CD FIRST AMERICAN BANK -- CHECKING ONLY (DUE TO THE OVERDRAFT PROTECTION FEATURE)
Non Financial:
Local Toyota dealership
pictel
Member
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 6:18p
thanks for starting another wonderful topic SiS
ATTWS - equifax Citizens - checking - equifax
Crazytree
Senior Member - 6K
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 6:30p
Property management companies or apartment owners for prospective tenants.
zender
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 6:39p
sdixey said:
<< Non Financial:
Local Toyota dealership >>
Did you apply for automobile financing through the dealership? If so, this would count as 'financial' and 'credit account related' since their findings would determine what financing terms to offer you.
sdixey
Thrifty Member
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 9:10p
Zender--
No it was a cash transaction. Told them it was cash from the get go. Under no circumstances were they ever lead to believe it was a lease or financed purchased. Totally floored me!!
I cant speak for every Toyota dealership but this is what this place did.
S
traebon
Member
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 9:26p
How did the Toyota dealership get your social ? I recently purchased a car as a cash transaction and no way would I have given them my SSN. So I don't understand how/why they pulled your report.
To stay on topic, our local gas & electric utility (We Energies - Wisconsin) did a check when I moved in to the area and also reports my payment status each month to Equifax. I assume that if my credit had been poor they would have required a deposit.
ingenue007
guybrush threepwood
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 10:13p
I don't remember, but I think allsat might pull a credit report when ordering satellite equipment from them.
kaiotes
Shopaholic Member
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 10:24p
progressive didn't pull my account, they only do when u don't pay it in full.
Crazytree
Senior Member - 6K
posted: Jan. 4, 2004 @ 10:25p
yep... this is when you pay in installments.
smrt
Senior Member
posted: Jan. 5, 2004 @ 12:13a
And I assume most of us know that unauthorized inquiries can be disputed (make sure you did not sign something that allows it).
sdixey
Thrifty Member
posted: Jan. 5, 2004 @ 1:56a
traebon said:
<< How did the Toyota dealership get your social?
I recently purchased a car as a cash transaction and no way would I have given them my SSN. So I don't understand how/why they pulled your report.
Treabon,
In the case of the Toyota transaction, it is a car my parents purchased so I dont have any paperwork on hand. All I know is that they bought their car at Toyota in October, 2002 and there is a hit/ding on October, 2002 under the Account Inquiry section.
All I can do is call this dealership and ask them what prompted this. If I get any pertinant info I would be happy to post an update. Plus I have a friend that used to work for Carmax in their finance department. I can ask him too and see if Carmax does this.
Anyone else have a non finance/lease transaction with a dealership and also get dinged???
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