EphU437 said: Now, reading these posts, I am concerned. If our old citicard gets canceled, will it really hurt our credit rating? Can they cancel a card on which you have an outstanding balance?
2 of the cards we applied for were a promotional spend $750 in 4 months and get 25k bonus miles. Might they cancel the card before we hit that point?
If the old citicard gets canceled, I don't think it will hurt your credit rating too much unless you have no other "old" accounts... It didn't hurt my score much...
Yes, they can cancel the card at anytime, they have no obligation to wait until you spend $750
EphU437 said: Also - what happens when an account with a balance is closed? Do you have to repay it right away? Or do the prior terms (re. APR, minimum payments, etc.) still apply?
Prior terms apply. Closing the card means no new transactions are allowed. The issuer can close your card whenever with or without a reason, read T&C.
Technique said: citibank closed all my cards at the end of last week... Their reasoning was I had too many inquires (I have 10 hard pulls on the Equifax report they pulled)... I have a credit score of around 800 on all 3 bureaus... They refused to open the accounts and were quite rude for no reason... When I asked for a supervisor, I was just transfered to another even more rude representative (not a supervisor). I will try back in a week or so and see if I have more luck, but that department has to be more accountable for their actions... I mean, I have never had a single late payment, my net worth is in the Ms, my annual income is well into 6 figures, and all balances are paid in full each month... I only have like a dozen credit cards (3 of them citi)... And the worst thing is, my oldest citi card was from 1994! So I've been a loyal customer for almost 15 years and they treated me like dirt and cut me off with no notice at all... I only found out when I logged into accountonline and it said my account had been closed...
Citibank really needs to put that department in check... It looks like some letters will need to be written to the office of the chairman and the SVP of that divison... If anyone can point me to that information, that would be great...
Also, I have balances on a few of the cards they closed... Should I pay it off before the statement cycle date? Does it make any difference?
I'm also wondering if I'll get my AA miles for the purchases that I made this month on my citi aadvantage card they shut down...
Me too. Citibank closed all three of my accounts. I consolidated 5 accounts into 3 in late Feb. Yesterday, I received a letter informing me of the closures. I have $13K BT in process and the payment was stopped. I was charged a returned fee.
What is happening? Make no sense at all. I am going to call Citibank and will keep you guys posted.
alextan
Technique
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 15, 2008 @ 2:42p
alextan said:
Me too. Citibank closed all three of my accounts. I consolidated 5 accounts into 3 in late Feb. Yesterday, I received a letter informing me of the closures. I have $13K BT in process and the payment was stopped. I was charged a returned fee.
What is happening? Make no sense at all. I am going to call Citibank and will keep you guys posted.
What did the letter say? Mine said "Too many recent inquiries" as the reason. BTW, I just recently got them to reopen all of my accounts. I had to seriously escalate things.
lhendricks92
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Apr. 15, 2008 @ 3:11p
Technique said: BTW, I just recently got them to reopen all of my accounts. I had to seriously escalate things.
Tell us more. What did you have to do?
swishyx
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 15, 2008 @ 3:15p
alextan - did you also have a high inquiry count?
Technique
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 15, 2008 @ 3:21p
lhendricks92 said: Technique said: BTW, I just recently got them to reopen all of my accounts. I had to seriously escalate things.
Tell us more. What did you have to do?
About 10 hours and 50 phone calls, tons of research, tons of "waiting" for supervisors to "review" my status. Weeks going by with no responses... Asking for managers of managers... Eventually I found a manager who realized that my situation was not a risk and they reopened all my accounts immediately... I don't have any specific names to give you, all I can say is that if you don't fit the reasoning they are giving you (high balances, too many inquiries) then tell them they are in error and be prepared for a fight...
swishyx said: alextan - did you also have a high inquiry count?
Yes, I did. I just completed a 20-card AOR in Feb.
alextan
swishyx
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 15, 2008 @ 4:51p
alextan said: swishyx said: alextan - did you also have a high inquiry count?
Yes, I did. I just completed a 20-card AOR in Feb.
alextan How many on EQ?
Technique
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 15, 2008 @ 5:03p
alextan said: swishyx said: alextan - did you also have a high inquiry count?
Yes, I did. I just completed a 20-card AOR in Feb.
alextan
That did it... Banks are paranoid these days... Do an AOR and be prepared to suffer the "wrath" of hurting banks like citi...
swishyx
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 15, 2008 @ 5:11p
Technique said: That did it... Banks are paranoid these days... Do an AOR and be prepared to suffer the "wrath" of hurting banks like citi... I have 2 EQ inquiries and am considering tacking on another 6 (including 4 citi apps)... I had 8 on there before, no adverse action. Scratching my head over here on whether the gaggle of new activity - apps plus maybe CLR - might "wake them up."
stook2001
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 15, 2008 @ 7:48p
A/A from Citibank on my accounts as well. Closed following AOR from too many inquiries on Experian. Bummer - considering the Technique approach of escalating like crazy (I am usually very persuasive in such situations). Interestingly, I believe in the 2 days I had my Premier Pass Elite card I believe I qualified for the 25k thank you point bonus. Even if I cant get my accounts reopened, I intend to get those TY points.
makeinu
Thrifty Member
posted: Apr. 15, 2008 @ 9:28p
Fortunately I haven't experienced any adverse action since I stopped doing application sprees.
I spread my applications out. I never saw any compelling evidence that grouping them all together had any advantage anyway.
Technique said: About 10 hours and 50 phone calls, tons of research, tons of "waiting" for supervisors to "review" my status. Weeks going by with no responses... Asking for managers of managers... Eventually I found a manager who realized that my situation was not a risk and they reopened all my accounts immediately... I don't have any specific names to give you, all I can say is that if you don't fit the reasoning they are giving you (high balances, too many inquiries) then tell them they are in error and be prepared for a fight... Good for you.
A/A from citi as well: I had only 7 inquiries on EQ (in the past 12 months) and $0 of debt reported, scores in 780s and only 2 brand new accounts(in 4 years); per regular CSR my account was marked "Credit Abuse", later she transfered me to Credit "Mishandling" Dept. where thay suggested to wait for the letter...""Too many inqs on EQ"...though the real reason was, my guess, BT laundering through citi cards so I b*ed them off and called back, they repulled my credit after I spoked to 2 managers but no luck - all accounts(both business and personal) were closed, which confirms that they monitor activity and use "Too many inqs on EQ" as an excuse
Well, I guess I will have to get few more new citi cards with TY bonuses
stook2001 said: Even if I cant get my accounts reopened, I intend to get those TY points. Somehow, they let me redeem TY points after my accounts were closed. I did it within a month or so
swishyx
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 16, 2008 @ 7:28a
74ak said: A/A from citi as well: I had only 7 inquiries on EQ (in the past 12 months) and $0 of debt reported, scores in 780s and only 2 brand new accounts(in 4 years); per regular CSR my account was marked "Credit Abuse", later she transfered me to Credit "Mishandling" Dept. where thay suggested to wait for the letter...""Too many inqs on EQ"...though the real reason was, my guess, BT laundering through citi cards so I b*ed them off and called back, they repulled my credit after I spoked to 2 managers but no luck - all accounts(both business and personal) were closed, which confirms that they monitor activity and use "Too many inqs on EQ" as an excuse
Well, I guess I will have to get few more new citi cards with TY bonuses How many new accounts in the last 6 months? 12 months? When was your last round of apps?
Sintax
Ancient Member
posted: Apr. 16, 2008 @ 8:42a
74ak said: Technique said: About 10 hours and 50 phone calls, tons of research, tons of "waiting" for supervisors to "review" my status. Weeks going by with no responses... Asking for managers of managers... Eventually I found a manager who realized that my situation was not a risk and they reopened all my accounts immediately... I don't have any specific names to give you, all I can say is that if you don't fit the reasoning they are giving you (high balances, too many inquiries) then tell them they are in error and be prepared for a fight... Good for you.
A/A from citi as well: I had only 7 inquiries on EQ (in the past 12 months) and $0 of debt reported, scores in 780s and only 2 brand new accounts(in 4 years); per regular CSR my account was marked "Credit Abuse", later she transfered me to Credit "Mishandling" Dept. where thay suggested to wait for the letter...""Too many inqs on EQ"...though the real reason was, my guess, BT laundering through citi cards so I b*ed them off and called back, they repulled my credit after I spoked to 2 managers but no luck - all accounts(both business and personal) were closed, which confirms that they monitor activity and use "Too many inqs on EQ" as an excuse
Well, I guess I will have to get few more new citi cards with TY bonuses
Same thing happened to me. Went from 0 inqs to 9 inqs and they closed all my accounts (I only had 2) due to "Credit Abuse". This was my transunion report. I called and they also said wait for the letter. I was approved for the card at the end of March and they closed it 10 days later, before I even activated the card. I was still able to activate it. Imagine my surprise when I tried to use the card and it was declined. So embarrassing.
swishyx said: 74ak said: A/A from citi as well: I had only 7 inquiries on EQ (in the past 12 months) and $0 of debt reported, scores in 780s and only 2 brand new accounts(in 4 years); per regular CSR my account was marked "Credit Abuse", later she transfered me to Credit "Mishandling" Dept. where thay suggested to wait for the letter...""Too many inqs on EQ"...though the real reason was, my guess, BT laundering through citi cards so I b*ed them off and called back, they repulled my credit after I spoked to 2 managers but no luck - all accounts(both business and personal) were closed, which confirms that they monitor activity and use "Too many inqs on EQ" as an excuse
Well, I guess I will have to get few more new citi cards with TY bonuses
How many new accounts in the last 6 months? 12 months? When was your last round of apps?
I did mini AOR (mostly business) in December-January, on my credit report I had only 2 NEW personal accounts (really 3, but Am.ex messed up something and account "was opened" in 2004) and 8-10 business. As far as citi, I had 1 new for biz and 1 new personal, I also had 4.5yo KeyBank(issued by Citi). I was begging them to just reopen last one with a toy limit... few more points to consider, I reallocated from key to new personal citi, and then BTed; made numerouse calls to reallocate to biz...so may be they monitor this activity as well
swishyx
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 16, 2008 @ 9:29a
74ak said: swishyx said: 74ak said: A/A from citi as well: I had only 7 inquiries on EQ (in the past 12 months) and $0 of debt reported, scores in 780s and only 2 brand new accounts(in 4 years); per regular CSR my account was marked "Credit Abuse", later she transfered me to Credit "Mishandling" Dept. where thay suggested to wait for the letter...""Too many inqs on EQ"...though the real reason was, my guess, BT laundering through citi cards so I b*ed them off and called back, they repulled my credit after I spoked to 2 managers but no luck - all accounts(both business and personal) were closed, which confirms that they monitor activity and use "Too many inqs on EQ" as an excuse
Well, I guess I will have to get few more new citi cards with TY bonuses
How many new accounts in the last 6 months? 12 months? When was your last round of apps?
I did mini AOR (mostly business) in December-January, on my credit report I had only 2 NEW personal accounts (really 3, but Am.ex messed up something and account "was opened" in 2004) and 8-10 business. As far as citi, I had 1 new for biz and 1 new personal, I also had 4.5yo KeyBank(issued by Citi). I was begging them to just reopen last one with a toy limit... few more points to consider, I reallocated from key to new personal citi, and then BTed; made numerouse calls to reallocate to biz...so may be they monitor this activity as well Hmmm. Interesting. I wonder if they'll open new accounts for someone who they took inquiry-driven adverse action against, or if you're blacklisted? Anyone willing to throw an app in to find out?
I hope folks will keep providing data points between this and the Citi adverse action thread that popped up.
swishyx said: Hmmm. Interesting. I wonder if they'll open new accounts for someone who they took inquiry-driven adverse action against, or if you're blacklisted? Anyone willing to throw an app in to find out?
I hope folks will keep providing data points between this and the Citi adverse action thread that popped up. I b*ed off every inq on EQ and TU and actually thinking about applying for few citi again. I don't worry too much: I have their 30k and pay min only...why ask for more money from them - deposit rates are not great these days. In any case it makes sense to wait untill craziness in the capital markets stops, this will decrease pressure on banks and they become BT/AOR "friendly" again
Technique
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 16, 2008 @ 10:14a
This is a very disturbing trend... I think everyone affected should be writing to the office of the CEO to let them know that the "credit mgmt department" is basically out of control and unchecked... They are killing off customers with excellent credit for no real reason, simply because we did a BT that they offered? Something is wrong with that picture... They should cut off the BT offers, not all the accounts!
stook2001
Senior Member
posted: Apr. 16, 2008 @ 10:38a
Technique said: This is a very disturbing trend... I think everyone affected should be writing to the office of the CEO to let them know that the "credit mgmt department" is basically out of control and unchecked... They are killing off customers with excellent credit for no real reason, simply because we did a BT that they offered? Something is wrong with that picture... They should cut off the BT offers, not all the accounts!
I will be contacting executive management once I have worked this through standard channels. I won't say I work over senior management routinely, but I have done it several times with many huge companies usually with good success.
Technique said: This is a very disturbing trend... I think everyone affected should be writing to the office of the CEO to let them know that the "credit mgmt department" is basically out of control and unchecked...They should cut off the BT offers, not all the accounts!
I start: "Dear God, Please forgive me as I sinned: I recently took advantage of one BT targeted offer. Please reopen my accounts as I will dwell on the sin and let the sin define me."
CEO:" Or Esle what?" me: "I will complain to BBB" CEO: "Blow me. I own them"
Disc.: Conversation b/w me and CEO(God) did not take place.
Writing letter could be a good idea, and it will not hurt. Although, I hardly imagine that 100s of mini-Napoleons at citi do whaterver they want to and executives are not aware of the fact that they are closing accounts of people with specific patterns.
jevon90
Addicted Member
posted: Apr. 16, 2008 @ 3:33p
My Citi A/A so farposted in the Severe Adverse Action from Citibank thread and in my own AOR thread Sorry to hear this but I'm glad to hear all these data points on this situation and that it didn't just happen to me. Hopefully we can learn from others' handling of this and benefit from it. I had reported on my experience nearly 2 weeks ago here in my thread. Here's an update (also posted in my thread with some other updates too)) on the letter I got, steps I've taken so far(removing inqs), and plan I have of dealing with it as well as a summary of the accounts that were closed: Ok, I Finally got my letter from Citi(Early Warning Services is the name of the dept on the return address label of the letter) 2 days ago, and the reason stated for the closing of my 4 accounts was "specifically, too maopened accounts were on your credit bureau report" , even though I haven't opened any new personal accounts on my credit report since December, and those were all visible when they approved my Citi Business PremierPass card in Mid March. They also stated that for them to reconsider the closing of the accounts I need to give them a new copy of my Equifax credit report within 30 days of the sending of the letter(April 8). My plan for A/A reconsideration: So as of yesterday I have gotten all of the 7 Hard Inqs off my EQ report so there are 0 Inqs on there and the only negative is that since they last pulled my report, my reported debt has increased by ~18,000 as my AMEX IN:LA Balance reported 2 months after I initiated the BT. I don't plan on paying that debt off right now. I realize they told me I had too many accounts and not too many inquiries (as alot of other people are reporting being the cause of their A/A here and here, but this puts me in the best light possible(aside from paying off that AMEX BT), so I'll hope this be enought to convince them to reopen the accounts and hopefully not lessen the lines. I plan on calling Citi to see if they can just pull another EQ soft inq or if I have to physically send them my updated CR. As a summary here's the accounts they closed and the stats on them: Citi mTVU card............$2,000 CL....$580 reported balance....~2 years old Citi Professional.........$1,000 Cl....$0 reported balance(though has -$23950 from other BTs currently)....4 months old Citi Business Card........$29,100 CL...$26,700 balance(at 0% thru November so I'll keep paying the minimum on it)...4 months old Citi Business PremierPass.$1,000 CL....$1 reported balance(just 1st purchase though I haven't gotten word on the TYP account for this yet...1 month old
peteypablo
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Apr. 16, 2008 @ 11:51p
Technique said: They should cut off the BT offers, not all the accounts!
I think they have taken your advice. I just looked on the Citicards website. Of 20 Citi credit cards with introductory APR for balance transfers, only one, the Driver's Edge Options card, had a capped BT fee. It will be interesting to see if they can hold the line on zero or capped BT fees. It looks like they will try. This is why I have tried not to become dependent on 0% credit cards.
lhendricks92
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Apr. 17, 2008 @ 10:45a
peteypablo said: This is why I have tried not to become dpendent on 0% credit cards.
No one should ever become dependent on 0% credit cards.
NemoD
Member
posted: Apr. 22, 2008 @ 4:22p
Wells Fargo just closed my oldest card (3 years) due to "Too many new cards and Too many inquiries". I tried to call and talk to them but they said it couldn't be reversed unless there was an error in the credit report.
I did an AOR 6 months ago, although almost none of the balances ended up on personal cards.
Advanta (business) reduced limit to ~ $500 above my balance (0% BT) and increased purchase APR from 7.99% to 26.31%. Probably due to a semi-annual review (I opened 6 months ago). Reasons: 1) time since most recent acct opening is too short, 2) too many inquires in the last 12 months (pulled Experian). I'm pretty upset about the crazy APR bump, but don't care enough to call.
Just a question the people who had there accounts closed. where they accounts that they owed money on. I am just wondering if you already have an outstanding debt with 11 months left of the promo are they canceling them and then forcing you to pay the money back immediately.
icculus631 said: Just a question the people who had there accounts closed. where they accounts that they owed money on. I am just wondering if you already have an outstanding debt with 11 months left of the promo are they canceling them and then forcing you to pay the money back immediately.They can't force you to pay back immediately -- you can pay according to your latest card agreement.
newsgal
New Member
posted: May. 20, 2008 @ 1:28p
Dawg, I'm a reporter working on this type of story. would you mind emailing me your contact info and maybe we can chat? Kelly kelshoemak@aol.com
RedCobra
Serene Member
posted: May. 20, 2008 @ 2:43p
Barclays (Juniper National Parks) closed my only card with them after 1 week siting "Too many new accounts in the last 6 months" and "Growth rate of debt is too high". This was right on the heels of an AOR. Be careful with those guys. Looks like they do a second soft pull after issuing a new card to make sure you didn't pull an AOR. I don't think I'll bother with them again. It's always more hassle with Barclays.
peteypablo
Senior Member - 1K
posted: May. 20, 2008 @ 10:02p
Barclays Juniper closed my National Parks card also, little more than a month after my application spree. I'm not sure how tragic this is. I get to keep the 0% rate until it expires. I guess it hurts to have 100% utilization showing.
cfusion1
Member
posted: Jun. 2, 2008 @ 8:42p
Washington Mutual closed my card late last month due to the following: "Proportion of balances to credit limits" "Amount owed on revolving accounts is too high"
Their own measurement shows $36,000 utilized, for a total overall utilization of 28%.
3 cards utilized to approximately 69%, one to 45%, one daily spender which shows 2/3 of high balance, the others 0
All paid in full
3 inquiries transunion (which they pulled)
LtWaldo
Thrifty Member
posted: Jun. 4, 2008 @ 8:39p
Citi closed one of my accounts for "inactivity" - but left the two other ones open.
Chase closed all my accounts stating: Number of BankCard Accounts Rapid increase in revolving balances Too many requests for/reviews of credit
What's funny is that I didn't use the Chase accounts for BT money...only for bonuses so there was $0 balance on all 3 accounts. What triggered their review? Too many applications? Also, I locked Transunion and Equifax...so they couldn't have done a hard pull.
I performed Mini AOR in Jan 08. After AOR I have total 14 cards (4 cards for about 7-8 yrs + 10 new cards) My total credit line after AOR is about 160K. I am using 100K out of it.
I recently received a letter from Chase on 2 of my account saying that after careful consideration, they have decreased my credit line for:
- Balance owed on revolving accounts too high - Too little available credit on accounts
Is there any thing I can do?
One of the chase card is with me for couple of yrs with credit line of 6.5K. During AOR I got chase card with credit line of 21K.
I have not been using chase card with 6.5K limit after I got new chase card as it has 1% Cash Back and 0% APR on all purchases.
21K got reduced to 13.5K 6.5K got reduced to 2.5K
Anything I can do? I have been following and reading AOR threads. I am surprised how this happen to me?
Any suggestions?
careyo
Happy Member
posted: Jun. 10, 2008 @ 12:25p
I just got capital one line of credit reduced from 35k line to 5k, due to inactivity. Hadn't used in 4 months. Also had Chase card reduced due to many inquiries(checked myself, I had no new accounts opened or applied for in over a year). Called, and customer service couldn't tell me why exactly. No negs on my credit report, score over 740, history more than 18 years old. go figure?
careyo said: I just got capital one line of credit reduced from 35k line to 5k, due to inactivity. I don't believe for a second that "inactivity" is the real reason. More likely its the multiple inquiries combined with that amazingly large (for cap1) line size.
Would appreciate details on how you obtained a single $35K line. I have over $150K with them, but no single line exceeds $30K, and I haven't heard of one doing so before your post. TIA.
Are there any discussions about FNBO's second hard inquiry (a month after credit card approval)? I can't find anything. I intend to have this second inquiry recharacterized as a soft/AR, and wanted to see if anyone tried it.
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