Timing is everything when it comes to getting free 0% APR balance transfers and such. If you decide to take the free money, you better take it all at once (or keep usage below 50%). As your score drops and utilization ratio increases, you are less and less likely to receive similar offers from other banks.
You'll need some way of getting the money out. Occasionally the bank will mail you convenience checks (read the fine print then - e.g. AMÅX will treat it as cash advance if you write it in your own name) or will offer to deposit into checking (Citi, Chase, who else). Usually, however, your only option is to transfer balance from another account (with a different issuer).
You can then "transfer balance" from an account, where there is no balance, and then request a check. It has been discussed on FatWallet many times. However, some issuers will send you a check promptly and without asking any questions while others may take a few months or offer to send the money back to the card you used for payment only or close your account, especially if you have a history of requesting checks for overpayment.
Please share your experience: what was the maximum amount you were able to request this way, how high is your credit limit, how long did it take? Please share negative experience as well.
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posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 3:13p
harmlessbunny
Happy Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 3:29p
The last time I did this with Discover, they held the overpayment for 10 business days before sending a check.
mrbean
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 3:47p
EugeneV said: Occasionally the bank will mail you convenience checks (read the fine print then - e.g. AMÅX will treat it as cash advance if you write it in your own name) or will offer to deposit into checking (Citi, Chase, who else).
Citi CSR (two of them, actually) once told me they couldn't issue checks to be deposited into my checking any more. But they are offering it to me again recently without me asking. No consistency if you ask me.
MBNA CSRs are very aggressive at pushing the BT-to-your-cheking also.
Regarding overpaying your account, I wouldn't overpay the balance by more than 10% of the CL. Higher than that the risk of red flags would be too much for comfort.
DFWDAL
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:01p
Citi is pretty convenient. You can request the refund check online so they won’t be asking any questions.
xpguy
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:23p
I did this recently with AMEX and Discover. AMEX was pretty quick, about 1 week. Discover had to wait for my statement to close so it was about 3 weeks.
xerty
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:27p
A few years ago, I overpaid a Fleet card by $15K or so, for similar reasons to OP. They were fairly suspicious, but eventually cut me a check after 3 weeks. I second what has been said above about MBNA conveniently doing transfers to checking.
HJM
Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:31p
With MBNA's BillPay, monthly bills should take care most of the balance transfer. If that is not enough, offer to pay your brother's and sister's bills. No red flag, no waiting, the money is already in your bank account.
HJM.
CornHusker
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:44p
I ask this question, long time ago, but no definite answer,
Can you BT to your Debit Card?
EugeneV
Ancient Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:46p
harmlessbunny said: The last time I did this with Discover, they held the overpayment for 10 business days before sending a check.
How much did you request and how high is your CL?
mrbean said: Citi CSR (two of them, actually) once told me they couldn't issue checks to be deposited into my checking any more. But they are offering it to me again recently without me asking. No consistency if you ask me.
MBNA CSRs are very aggressive at pushing the BT-to-your-cheking also.
Regarding overpaying your account, I wouldn't overpay the balance by more than 10% of the CL. Higher than that the risk of red flags would be too much for comfort.
You need to have a Citi bank account though. What about MBNA? Would they do an external ACH push?
Where does the 10% figure come from?
DFWDAL said: Citi is pretty convenient. You can request the refund check online so they won’t be asking any questions.
True. What amount were you able to request this way? Any other banks offer online check request?
xerty said: A few years ago, I overpaid a Fleet card by $15K or so, for similar reasons to OP. They were fairly suspicious, but eventually cut me a check after 3 weeks. I second what has been said above about MBNA conveniently doing transfers to checking.
CL? How many times have you done it? Just once? Checking does not have to be MBNA Checking?
CornHusker
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:46p
For experience, I did it with AMEX, they are slow, more than 10 days. And they are very careful, they will send a letter tell you you are requesting a check now. The second letter will be the check.
EugeneV
Ancient Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:50p
HJM said: With MBNA's BillPay, monthly bills should take care most of the balance transfer. If that is not enough, offer to pay your brother's and sister's bills. No red flag, no waiting, the money is already in your bank account.
HJM.
Care to explain?
I can pay other credit cards and creare a positive balance there and negative on MBNA. I then have to pay back MBNA and still have to get my money from other cards somehow. How does BillPay help?
If your family members have the money, they wouldn't have large bills to have to begin with.
EugeneV
Ancient Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:52p
CornHusker said: I ask this question, long time ago, but no definite answer,
Can you BT to your Debit Card?
I remember asking the same question. Yes, this would be the easiest way. Some banks, e.g. Juniper, recognizes the issuer by credit card number and sends payment there, but they could easily determine that it is a debit card with a Visa or MasterCard logo. I haven't tried this.
mrbean
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 4:56p
EugeneV said: You need to have a Citi bank account though. Not that I know of. The guy was so eager to get me to take the BT he offered to send me a check or deposit to my checking directly (never asked which bank). I declined. We'll see what happens later. It was like this before, but when I did call about it they said no-can-do.
What about MBNA? Would they do an external ACH push? Yep. Happily.
Where does the 10% figure come from? Personal preference. That said, MBNA online billpay (read: no human intervention) doesn't allow you to pay more than 110% of the balance. So although not entirely related, the 10% is not completely out of the thin air either.
HJM
Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 5:03p
EugeneV said: HJM said: With MBNA's BillPay, monthly bills should take care most of the balance transfer. If that is not enough, offer to pay your brother's and sister's bills. No red flag, no waiting, the money is already in your bank account.
HJM.
Care to explain?
I can pay other credit cards and creare a positive balance there and negative on MBNA. I then have to pay back MBNA and still have to get my money from other cards somehow. How does BillPay help?
If your family members have the money, they wouldn't have large bills to have to begin with. MBNA Bill Pay allow you to pay mortgage, insurance, utilities, etc. not just credit card. I pay 3 mortgages each month totaled around $6000.00. Combining all the bills for the whole family can easily reach $10,000 each month. Since your family have to pay those bills each month anyway, you pay for them and they sign you a check. You save them a lot of stamps and no worry of lost check or late fee.
HJM.
EugeneV
Ancient Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 5:12p
That would work for you then.
I had in mind getting 100K during one month. Sure, my scores would plummet with four 25K cards maxed out, but I can just pay them back when I need my scores to go back up.
Was anyone successful at getting MBNA's BT fee waived lately? Did Chase offer 0% APR to anyone recently after a threat to cancel? The other thread talks about Discover only for the past couple of months despite its title.
HJM
Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 5:36p
EugeneV said: That would work for you then.
I had in mind getting 100K during one month. Sure, my scores would plummet with four 25K cards maxed out, but I can just pay them back when I need my scores to go back up.
Just curious, you were able to request a 25K overpaid check in the past?
CornHusker said: I ask this question, long time ago, but no definite answer, Can you BT to your Debit Card?
Works for me. YMMV.
Instead of wondering endlessly, why not try it yourself and see what results you get? Carpe diem and all that.
penumbra222
Ancient Member
posted: Nov. 1, 2004 @ 5:45p
I once did a $10k transfer to Discover and they promptly mailed me an $8k check for the overpayment (had an approx $2k monthly balance). I then sent another $10k payment to Discover the next month when balance was only $21. Discover took almost a month to send me the $10k check then -- set some falgs off!
veryhungry
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 2, 2004 @ 12:35a
I own a corporation, well make believe the name is "VSY Financial".
I have had BT's made payable to that corporation, and sent to my business address.
"and the knowelegeable will understand..."
mbaker4096
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 2, 2004 @ 12:55a
I've used Citi for overpayments of $18K and $19K when my credit limit was $10-12K. No problems there. I've used BofA for overpayments of $10-15K when my credit limit was only $1500. No problems there, either. I've used Discover for overpayments of $5-10K when my credit limit was $9500. No worries, no hassle.
I'll usually have one card which is capable of generating no-fee BT check-based withdrawals -- typically Citi or Chase. I'll typically transfer money around until I can get it to that card and then write checks for easy deposit in my bank account.
Often card issuers are able to BT directly to HELOCs. As mentioned by others, many banks are happy to put the check directly in your checking account (Chase, Citi, MBNA).
I've never done BTs to debit cards, but will likely try it next time around.
Good luck!
jludwick
Happy Member
posted: Nov. 19, 2004 @ 2:28p
BUMP
Do you just order convienence checks online for your Citi cards, then deposit into checking or savings? They always say, "no transfer fees if in response to this offer." If you're within the 12-month period is every check in response to this offer?
pras
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 19, 2004 @ 3:23p
I have had Citi BT to my DCU credit card. I could just transfer the money from my credit card to checking account. No hassle. But it was nowhere near 100k
pras
pavcherny
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 19, 2004 @ 4:25p
I can tell who who DOESN'T like overpayments. MBNA. I overpaid my account by $5000 and I got a call from their review department. She told me whenever there is an overpayment, the account is automatically flagged for review by a CSR/analyst. She looked at my account and saw that I charge 5000-10,000 per month on my MBNA credit cards and said MBNA is not comfortable with my spending habits. She then told me ALL of my accounts were closed and that it was not open for any negotiation. My Experian report on that same day showed all my MBNA cards as "closed by grantor". They'll consider opening them again in 6 months.
So whatever you do, don't overpay to MBNA. They call it "inflating your credit line". Then, they'll close your account without explanation and say they don't like you. Nothing you can do, either. I lost about $700 in rewards/points because of it. Don't overpay with MBNA.
mbaker4096 said: I've never done BTs to debit cards, but will likely try it next time around.
Did a BT for 5K with Discover to BofA check card, worked but took almost a month!!
mbaker4096
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 20, 2004 @ 2:45a
vrb747 said: mbaker4096 said: I've never done BTs to debit cards, but will likely try it next time around.Did a BT for 5K with Discover to BofA check card, worked but took almost a month!!Thanks for the datapoint...did they say why it took so long to process or did you just lay low waiting for it to sort itself out? I suspect the problem was on the BofA side?
xerty
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 20, 2004 @ 3:52a
pavcherny said: So whatever you do, don't overpay to MBNA. They call it "inflating your credit line". Then, they'll close your account without explanation and say they don't like you. Nothing you can do, either. I lost about $700 in rewards/points because of it. Don't overpay with MBNA. Thanks for sharing. Sorry about your loss .
EricGo
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 20, 2004 @ 7:53a
I BT directly to my HELOC at PenFed. AFAICR, I have used Citi, Chase, and Discover.
Seamless.
alwaysTempted
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 20, 2004 @ 10:07a
Via Discover, I tried a BT to my debit card through online system. It asked for my address and ended up mailing a check to me instead.
mbaker4096 said: vrb747 said: Thanks for the datapoint...did they say why it took so long to process or did you just lay low waiting for it to sort itself out? I suspect the problem was on the BofA side?
Discover charged my account with a few days. The problem was definitely on BofA's side because discover claimed they sent the check within 2 days. Part of the problem was finding the correct address (on discover's part).
bk330ci said: Via Discover, I tried a BT to my debit card through online system. It asked for my address and ended up mailing a check to me instead.
thats good to know, should try this. Discover's CSRs swear they dont allow this. But I know its not the case because they just sent me some BT checks that I can deposit directly to my account, probably something to do with commision. Bad thing is the card has good CashBack programs (5% gas, the recent 10% restaurant deal), so I am averse to using it for BTs now.
EugeneV
Ancient Member
posted: Nov. 22, 2004 @ 12:03a
I overpaid my ÀMEX account, which I haven't used in a while, by 22.5K from Discover (0% for life) and requested a check 3 days later, when my statement closed. The CSR said I'll receive it in 7 days, no questions asked.
I also asked them to double my credit line (currently 25K) a few weeks ago and faxed my 2002 and 2003 tax returns. Now I'll be able to claim that I have to increase my CL artificially by overpayment from time to time when I anticipate large business purchases. What rare cars or paintings am I thinking of buying? Well, none of their business
EricGo
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 22, 2004 @ 5:09a
EugeneV,
Seems like your story should be you *sell* paintings from time to time, to patrons such as Chase, Discover, and Citibank.
snoopy123
Member
posted: Nov. 24, 2004 @ 8:40p
pavcherny said: So whatever you do, don't overpay to MBNA. They call it "inflating your credit line". Then, they'll close your account without explanation and say they don't like you. Nothing you can do, either. I lost about $700 in rewards/points because of it. Don't overpay with MBNA.
My MBNA accounts were just closed due to overpay $4000 on one account. I hope I have read this before.....What is the probability % to reopen and keep the same credit line? How to reopen them? I have been with MBNA since 1999.
pavcherny
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 24, 2004 @ 10:20p
snoopy123 said: pavcherny said: So whatever you do, don't overpay to MBNA. They call it "inflating your credit line". Then, they'll close your account without explanation and say they don't like you. Nothing you can do, either. I lost about $700 in rewards/points because of it. Don't overpay with MBNA.
My MBNA accounts were just closed due to overpay $4000 on one account. I hope I have read this before.....What is the probability % to reopen and keep the same credit line? How to reopen them? I have been with MBNA since 1999.
You, too, eh? Funny thing is, I have overpaid many times before, for years. Not every month or anything, but I'd do 10-20K in balance transfers, or overpay when I needed to make a large purchase. They reviewed my accounts before and never said it was a problem.
My current strategy to get the cards reinstated is the following:
1) Pull privacyguard to get rid of the inquiries 2) Open up no new accounts 3) Transfer no more balances and pay off all balances in 4 months. 4) Use my credit cards normally for everyday purchases. 5) 5 months from now, plan to pay off most of my monthly revolving balances so my usage is below 10% on all cards. 5) After 6 months, call MBNA and ask to have all of my cards reinstated. Because they also made me fax in financial documents, I will ask for an overall credit line increase beyond their 25 K limit. (They usually do up to 25 K without financial statements)
What I think happens is that MBNA will look at your credit history and payments to make sure that you're not a default risk and if you have a decent score/rating according to their criteria, they'll reopen the cards. But you need to call. I don't think they will reopen automatically.
If you let your credit history heal, I think there's a very good chance they will reopen the accounts.
Oh one more thing. On Experian, the accounts how as closed by grantor and are closed. On transunion, it shows as closed by grantor, but the status is open.
hope that helps. Everyone, especially if you have large credit lines, be careful about overpaying with MBNA.
This letter is in reference to your request for a credit balance refund on the above referenced account. Please be advised that we have issued a refund check under separate cover in the amount of $21500.00.
After reviewing your account we have noticed that the credit balance on the account was created by a balance transfer check applied to an account with a zero balance.
This is an inappropriate use of your Card account and not conforming to the Cardmember Agreement. If this process persists we will have no recourse but to cancel your account for improper use.0
If you have any question, please call us at the number on your statement.
Sincerely,
*** Customer Service Supervisor
It really looks type-written. I re-typed it preserving grammar and style. I wonder if it would go unnoticed, had I had any balance on the account...
Moocher8
Member
posted: Dec. 4, 2004 @ 12:39p
I agree with what everyone else said about Discover. They hold it for 10 days after the last BT payment. Can't get my refund check since I still have another BT check being processed by them. The CSR even asked me why I'm sending them all these payments. Why would they care?
I wonder if it would go unnoticed, had I had any balance on the account...Wow...scary. $21.5K's higher than any balance credit refund I've asked for -- $17-18K is the most I've had, and those were from Citi and BofA. Can't recall what the largest I've done with AMEX has been.
Thanks for sharing the datapoint. I'll probably put a purchase or two on a card before I go requesting a balance transfer payment to it.
AMEX is pretty nervous on anything slightly abnormal nowadays.
veryhungry
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Dec. 5, 2004 @ 6:18a
as I said, I own a corporation, "HBCC Inc."
I have had BT's made payable to that corporation, and sent to my business address.
Never had a problem, done it several times.. for high amounts.
Skipping 56 Messages...
xerty
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jun. 16, 2005 @ 4:38a
mbaker4096 said: The largest that check can be written for is your credit limit, even if you have a negative balance. This is certainly good advice. I did notice one time I overpaid my Åmex card that the credit available online showed up as higher than my normal credit limit by the amount of the overpayment. I didn't try anything to make use of this, and neither should you . I expect this is fairly atypical behavior.
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